Whatever happened to the housing crisis ?

ijohhj

Wanderer19 wrote: »

Some, if not all, is only a temporary measure, the homeless will be back on the streets when the crisis is over.

The HSE has taken over the Citywest Hotel, and other places, to put those at risk. This is being one in conjunction with DCC.

If the rental sector was regulated properly then there wouldn't be so many new properties suddenly available to rent. Nevermind Airbnb, booking.com have a rake of places advertised that they shouldn't. Doesn't take much investigating to find out what property's should be available on the open rental market.

"A total of 357 properties - 160 self-contained apartments and 197 ensuite hotel rooms - are being designated to families and individuals in need of shelter."

I wonder how that split between 'families' and 'individuals' falls, doubt it's even 50/50, even though families are only 10-20% of homeless numbers.

But I hope they're being looked after. Glad hotels are being used for this, just hope they're allocating enough to single homeless people (doubt it). Citywest Hotel is a bit ridiculous though, they'll still need to travel on buses to get payments. Central Hotel has been given over to Congolese refugees apparently, that seems backwards to me.

Tea drinker

Idbatterim wrote: »

I have total faith in these absolute morons, to secure fantastic value for the tax payer, like they have with the luxury apartment block they have rented in dundrum! :rolleyes:

Going by my experience the anti social kids will be ruining the buildings with markers pens crayons, spilled drinks, playing football in the halls, pissing in the common areas, and finally leaving drug paraphenalia.
but I'm a bad person for even mentioning it

ijohhj

Tea drinker wrote: »

Going by my experience the anti social kids will be ruining the buildings with markers pens crayons, spilled drinks, playing football in the halls, pissing in the common areas, and finally leaving drug paraphenalia.
but I'm a bad person for even mentioning it

These places will all need a professional crew in after this is all done, no question.

Who did these luxury Dundrum digs go to?

Idbatterim

ijohhj wrote: »

These places will all need a professional crew in after this is all done, no question.

Who did these luxury Dundrum digs go to?

people on the housing list in the area for god knows how long! I know one lad in there, vaguely. Was told he was paying E50 a week rent! E50 a week rent, would just about cover the management fee in a development like that :rolleyes:

so the council pay ten percent off the market rent for the entire block (the market rent at the time). So I'd say that was 2k for a one bed, so say E1800! and the vulture funds that own it, pay virtually no tax on it! And we wonder why so many working people are screwed, when these are the kind of sweetheart deals, the vulture funds and more so, those on the social housing lists are getting :rolleyes:

and I know those on the housing list dont make the rules! no ****! :rolleyes:

ijohhj

Idbatterim wrote: »

people on the housing list in the area for god knows how long! I know one lad in there, vaguely. Was told he was paying E50 a week rent! E50 a week rent, would just about cover the management fee in a development like that :rolleyes:

Glad to hear a lad getting somewhere indoors, I don't think they get much help if they're solo.

Idbatterim

ijohhj wrote: »

Glad to hear a lad getting somewhere indoors, I don't think they get much help if they're solo.

oh yeah, right down the bottom of the heap, as they cant push out kids as an extortion chip!

BUT the cost of housing people in such developments, if they are relying on the state is insane. I mean the state should be building its own stock in serious numbers. But failing that, to provide ultra expensive housing to somebody at virtually no cost. It is absolutely idiotic. I would also say that with the current set up, single people shouldnt be provided with one beds etc, they should be in studios etc, that would cost half the amount etc...

As in studios should be permitted again in new builds. This bull**** notion, that everyone can afford 2k plus a month for a new build one bed apartment, ex bills in dublin :rolleyes:

Edgware

Tea drinker wrote: »

Going by my experience the anti social kids will be ruining the buildings with markers pens crayons, spilled drinks, playing football in the halls, pissing in the common areas, and finally leaving drug paraphenalia.
but I'm a bad person for even mentioning it

I have some experience of social housing tenants put into a private development. As usual 95% sound, friendly, no problem, off to work each morning, stroll the grounds with their dogs on a leash etc and then 5% ***** , wasters sponging off the system, bringing their bikes up in the lifts etc. And the person who paid 250000 to 300000 has to put up with it

ijohhj

Idbatterim wrote: »

oh yeah, right down the bottom of the heap, as they cant push out kids as an extortion chip!

Yup.

Nitrogan

If people on housing lists are such fine upstanding citizens then why force them to live next to obnoxious tax dodging elites they resent anyway.

The ideal test of the socialist utopia is to have people of equal standing living in a self contained housing/commercial block, where there'll be no envy and no crime.

I think the government should throw some money behind such a project because it sounds ideal.

I'm surprised PBP et al haven't suggested something like this before.

ijohhj

Nitrogan wrote: »

they resent anyway.

Ah yeah bring in the stereotypes always really good for conversation.

Could be a good show that, snooty toffs getting a Margaret Cash type as a neighbour.

Rufeo

What will happen to crazy Dublin rents now? If this lockdown continues will there be a rental crash ?

efanton

Rufeo wrote: »

What will happen to crazy Dublin rents now? If this lockdown continues will there be a rental crash ?

Unfortunately not, there will be no rental crash..

There will still be a shortage of housing, so tenants will be unlikely to be able to shop around. Tenants will pay beyond what is sensible to keep a roof over their heads, having to sacrifice in other areas, such as groceries, not replacing cars until they are beyond economical repair etc.

Also do landlords really care whether the rent they set is affordable as long as there is sufficient demand for their property?
The problem with 'free' market economics is it has never resulted in a fair market or promised to be a fair market and never will be until a government steps in with some form of control.
While there is no or little rent control landlords will charge as much as they possibly can.

There is only two sensible ways to reduce rents in general and that is state funded housing on a massive scale, or the government significantly reducing the taxation it collects from the hosing market.
Why do they charge 23% VAT on rents?
Why is approximately 45% of the cost on a newly built home tax and other government charges?

jimmyrustle

efanton wrote: »

There is only two sensible ways to reduce rents in general and that is state funded housing on a massive scale, or the government significantly reducing the taxation it collects from the hosing market.
Why do they charge 23% VAT on rents?
Why is approximately 45% of the cost on a newly built home tax and other government charges?

Agreed. An immediate points immigration system would also greatly assist. A moratorium on EU free movement. Work permits awarded to migrants working in areas in need of them (construction, healthcare). Subway and Boojum, it might be time the boss gets stuck in on the wraps. I'm assuming they worked something out from us reaching full employment circa 2000 and the EU opening up in 2003 so they can work something out, can't they.

Policy to be reviewed once the state has built/ encouraged the building of enough purchase and rental properties.

Of course there's about as much chance of the pope growing tits as FG, FF or the loony left considering this.

end of the road

jimmyrustle wrote: »

Agreed. An immediate points immigration system would also greatly assist. A moratorium on EU free movement. Work permits awarded to migrants working in areas in need of them (construction, healthcare). Subway and Boojum, it might be time the boss gets stuck in on the wraps. I'm assuming they worked something out from us reaching full employment circa 2000 and the EU opening up in 2003 so they can work something out, can't they.

Policy to be reviewed once the state has built/ encouraged the building of enough purchase and rental properties.

Of course there's about as much chance of the pope growing tits as FG, FF or the loony left considering this.

as far as i know it's not possible to stop freedom of movement from the EU. which is fair enough given we agreed to it when we signed up and it benefits us as well.

Del Griffith

end of the road wrote: »

as far as i know it's not possible to stop freedom of movement from the EU. which is fair enough given we agreed to it when we signed up and it benefits us as well.

Of course it's not as you'd lose access to the market along with it, it's a CUCKOO idea which is why it was never and will never be considered

jimmyrustle

Del Griffith wrote: »

Of course it's not as you'd lose access to the market along with it, it's a CUCKOO idea which is why it was never and will never be considered

Hungary, Poland, Slovakia seem to do what parts suit them and they're not gone yet. Might be about time we tried it.

end of the road

Del Griffith wrote: »

Of course it's not as you'd lose access to the market along with it, it's a CUCKOO idea which is why it was never and will never be considered

you are 100% correct.

jimmyrustle wrote: »

Hungary, Poland, Slovakia seem to do what parts suit them and they're not gone yet. Might be about time we tried it.

they are only refusing free movement from non-EU countries, something the rest of us can do and could always do.
they aren't refusing freedom of movement from EU citizens as they cannot do so.
i would expect EU citizens are unlikely to travel to those countries to live anyway as they do not have the opportunities available that countries such as france, germany, ourselves etc have.

Atlantic Dawn

The property crash MKII will be fun, coming to a county near you in 6 months.

efanton

jimmyrustle wrote: »

Hungary, Poland, Slovakia seem to do what parts suit them and they're not gone yet. Might be about time we tried it.

But they are closing the EU borders with countries not in the EU, not the borders with EU countries.

Blueshoe

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The property crash MKII will be fun, coming to a county near you in 6 months.

There is no reason for a property crash

landofthetree

https://mobile.twitter.com/IrishTimes/status/1251395546629079045

No foreign students next year the likes of TCD,UCD,DIT etc
No English language students either

No tourism so Air BnBs will go back to the rental market.

Hundreds of thousands will leave when the crisis is over as other countries recover faster
Those 60,000 houses being built are going to be a problem as they won't be needed.

efanton

landofthetree wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/IrishTimes/status/1251395546629079045

No foreign students next year the likes of TCD,UCD,DIT etc
No English language students either

No tourism so Air BnBs will go back to the rental market.

Hundreds of thousands will leave when the crisis is over as other countries recover faster
Those 60,000 houses being built are going to be a problem as they won't be needed.

What make you think that students, especially foreign students, would be buying houses?

Agreed their will be extra availability in the private rental sector but being that most have their rents set above the limit set by the HAP scheme that extra accommodation will not diminish the need for additional social housing units.

Also what about the young couples that currently do not qualify for a mortgage, and neither ever likely to be able to. Is your solution for them to rent over priced rental accommodation for the rest of their lives?

Of course those additional social and affordable homes will still be needed unless you foresee dramatic reductions in the rents charged in the private rental market.

Kivaro

There was a housing crisis ...... for working people/families who could not afford homes anymore, as there were was an issue of affordable accommodation for students.
However, unfortunately, all of the political parties, including Fine Gael and Fianna Fail made it into a social housing crisis, and that is where their focused remained. Building social homes for people, many of whom were just playing the system by calling themselves "homeless". This lost FFG many seats in the last election.

They forgot about the workers and contributors of Irish society who could just not compete with the government, and councils, and "charities" who were buying up most of the available properties and building new houses for social welfare recipients and asylum seekers.

Jinglejangle69

Kivaro wrote: »

There was a housing crisis ...... for working people/families who could not afford homes anymore, as there were was an issue of affordable accommodation for students.
However, unfortunately, all of the political parties, including Fine Gael and Fianna Fail made it into a social housing crisis, and that is where their focused remained. Building social homes for people, many of whom were just playing the system by calling themselves "homeless". This lost FFG many seats in the last election.

They forgot about the workers and contributors of Irish society who could just not compete with the government, and councils, and "charities" who were buying up most of the available properties and building new houses for social welfare recipients and asylum seekers.

So they lost votes from people who are against social housing to SF who promised 100,000 social and affordable houses?

landofthetree

efanton wrote: »

What make you think that students, especially foreign students, would be buying houses?

Agreed their will be extra availability in the private rental sector but being that most have their rents set above the limit set by the HAP scheme that extra accommodation will not diminish the need for additional social housing units.

Also what about the young couples that currently do not qualify for a mortgage, and neither ever likely to be able to. Is your solution for them to rent over priced rental accommodation for the rest of their lives?

Of course those additional social and affordable homes will still be needed unless you foresee dramatic reductions in the rents charged in the private rental market.

Rent prices are going to drop 40%+.

The Gov will be able to buy up houses on the cheap. We are looking at 400,000 people leaving Ireland overvthe next 2 years.

Edgware

landofthetree wrote: »

Rent prices are going to drop 40%+.

The Gov will be able to buy up houses on the cheap. We are looking at 400,000 people leaving Ireland overvthe next 2 years.

As Keelings fly in workers from Bulgaria

efanton

landofthetree wrote: »

Rent prices are going to drop 40%+.

The Gov will be able to buy up houses on the cheap. We are looking at 400,000 people leaving Ireland overvthe next 2 years.

I very much doubt that.
Landlords will continue to charge the maximum that they can get away with.

Many who have bought to let simply could not afford such a reduction, instead they will sell off the properties if rents reduce by that amount.

I doubt property values will drop significantly either.

So you will still be left with people unable to afford a mortgage, and rental cost of most properties being above the HAP limit.

suicide_circus

landofthetree wrote: »

We are looking at 400,000 people leaving Ireland overvthe next 2 years.

where are you getting that from?

landofthetree

efanton wrote: »

I very much doubt that.
Landlords will continue to charge the maximum that they can get away with.

Many who have bought to let simply could not afford such a reduction, instead they will sell off the properties if rents reduce by that amount.

I doubt property values will drop significantly either.

So you will still be left with people unable to afford a mortgage, and rental cost of most properties being above the HAP limit.

Rents fell dramatically post 2008.

The same will happen again. The market sets thr rate not landlords.

https://www.fm104.ie/news/fm104-news/dublin-homes-advertised-online-have-rents-slashed/

Edgware

suicide_circus wrote: »

where are you getting that from?

Sinn Feins economic plan. Always bang on with their figures