Whatever happened to the housing crisis ?

Long_Wave

You had Dick Boyd Barrett out calling for all building sites to be closed last week. What ever happened to the housing shortage emergency? Not a word about it since early February.

Edgware

Have all the flood waters subsided along the Shannon?

TheRepentent

Long_Wave wrote: »

You had Dick Boyd Barrett out calling for all building sites to be closed last week. What ever happened to the housing shortage emergency? Not a word about it since early February.

Probably should ask your parents to explain it to ye if you're not able to understand the situation at the moment.

Eric Cartman

Long_Wave wrote: »

You had Dick Boyd Barrett out calling for all building sites to be closed last week. What ever happened to the housing shortage emergency? Not a word about it since early February.

Dont want to out their head above the fence incase everyone realises theyre totally useless.

Kivaro

The reality for the 10,000 "homeless" is that many moved back with family and to their previous lodgings after they realised that this pandemic might halt their notions of a free home for life.
The genuine homeless out there remain homeless, and these are the vulnerable in society that we do need to protect.

It's a shame that Fine Gael got caught out by the homeless debacle during the election. All of the left leaning parties were focusing on it, so there was no need for Fine Gael and Fianna Fail to promise the sun, the moon, and the stars to 10,000 people. The vast majority of working/contributing society saw this an unfair to those who abide by the rules and pay their way through life.

ILoveYourVibes

Air Bnbs

Arghus

There's been this big thing called the Coronavirus. Ask your friends.

Yurt2

Remember sneery right-wing I'm alright Jack scumbaggery? Remember when that was a thing?

Oh wait, it still is a thing.

Dravokivich

It's still a pain in the ass. Be greatful it ain't you that's hurting on it.

CrankyHaus

Yurt! wrote: »

Remember sneery right-wing I'm alright Jack scumbaggery? Remember when that was a thing?

Oh wait, it still is a thing.

It is interesting though how various "crises" subside to nothing when a genuine crisis arises. It's like how there's always enough news to fill the airwaves. In quiet times all sort of niche issues get blown up into a " national crisis" by the various vested interests involved.



I mean 2 years ago the Tory Island ferry contract being lost by the incumbent was somehow national news, complete with a protest at the Dáil, until we buckled and paid for two ferries for them instead of one to keep them happy.

I believe we had a Housing crisis myself but you can't deny a huge amount of chancers and queue jumpers like Margaret Cash exploited and distorted the genuine issue for their own benefit.

Long_Wave

Long_Wave wrote: »

You had Dick Boyd Barrett out calling for all building sites to be closed last week. What ever happened to the housing shortage emergency? Not a word about it since early February.

There’s plenty of beds now that tourism has collapsed.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/6973bc-daily-briefing-on-the-governments-response-to-covid-19-monday-30-mar/#update-on-homeless-services-in-light-of-new-restrictions

“ Update on Homeless Services in light of new restrictions
For the duration of the current crisis staff working in homeless NGOs providing emergency accommodation to homeless households are deemed essential personnel. Staff involved in the provision of private emergency accommodation (Hotels and B&Bs) are also categorised as providing essential services to our most vulnerable.

The local authorities are working closely with the Health Service Executive and NGO service operators to maintain services and to keep the movement of individuals in emergency accommodation to a minimum.

Over 560 beds have been introduced in the Dublin region and significant space has been secured in Cork and Galway, all to ensure we can meet any isolation needs that may arise and to comply with social distancing requirements. The Minister for Housing, Planning and Local Government said that he and his department continue to work with the Health Service Executive in order to cater for the needs of those in emergency accommodation. They will continue to closely monitor the situation as it evolves and offer support as needed.
”

Long_Wave

Arghus wrote: »

There's been this big thing called the Coronavirus. Ask your friends.

If anything the Coronavirus should have made the housing crisis a hell of a lot worse because of children living in B&Bs being off school etc

ELM327

There was no housing crisis.
The need for a house for free beside mummy was eradicated when Jacinta realised she could live with mummy

SEPT 23 1989

If this thing goes badly wrong the homeless issue will be solved very quickly

Yurt2

In a time of a global health emergency, there is really only one thing to do...

Have a cut at the homeless & working-poor badly effected by a dysfunctional spiv housing market and say everything is fake.

Ireland is full of scumbags true, but it's not the ones that several posters here think they are.

eviltwin

It's still there. I'm working in the homeless sector and as busy as always. Homeless people are just trying to ride this out without getting sick, same as the rest of us.

eviltwin

eviltwin wrote: »

It's still there. I'm working in the homeless sector and as busy as always. Homeless people are just trying to ride this out without getting sick, same as the rest of us.

At least you’ve now got a supply of homes for them.

eviltwin

Deleted User wrote: »

At least you’ve now got a supply of homes for them.

Have I?

careless sherpa

ELM327 wrote: »

There was no housing crisis.
The need for a house for free beside mummy was eradicated when Jacinta realised she could live with mummy

You obviously have not tried renting in Dublin in the last number of years

Yurt2

careless sherpa wrote: »

You obviously have not tried renting in Dublin in the last number of years

Someone will be along shortly to call you an entitled sponger and will explain the laws of supply and demand as if their Junior Cert business textbook gave them the intellectual powers of a Nobel Prize for Economics winner.

eviltwin

eviltwin wrote: »

Have I?

According to newspaper reports hundreds of units have been made available. Or was that fake news?

Idbatterim

what a bloody fantastic deal those luxury apartments on a twenty five year lease are looking , even more so now :rolleyes:

you have to hand it to the irish government, they really now how to screw the taxpayer, they give away nama stuff and when it comes to companies getting money, they cant be wasteful enough!

If the **** hits the fan again, there should be a reverse nama for opportunities in prime locations, be it land, partially completed developments etc...

eviltwin

[Deleted User] wrote: »

According to newspaper reports hundreds of units have been made available. Or was that fake news?

I've no idea. I imagine now is not the time to be attending or facilitating house viewings do you?

eviltwin

eviltwin wrote: »

I've no idea. I imagine now is not the time to be attending or facilitating house viewings do you?

Are you having a pop at me? I’m simply applauding the fact that hundreds more units have become available.

“In this regard in the last two weeks, we have sourced 160 self-contained apartments, 165 ensuite bedrooms in hotels and 300 adult single occupancy accommodation.

"We have identified a number of older and high-risk individuals currently residing in emergency accommodation and are currently in the process of moving these people to a separate cocooning facility where rapid rehousing is not possible."”

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/attempts-to-address-covid-19-fallout-among-homeless-990569.html

Kivaro

Unfortunately, there is the conflation with the genuine people in need of homes and the Erica Fleming and Margaret Cash types. They are all piled in together in the discussion (deliberately by some) and apparently you are a Nazi if you point that out.

James Brown

Yurt! wrote: »

Remember sneery right-wing I'm alright Jack scumbaggery? Remember when that was a thing?

Oh wait, it still is a thing.

We're all in this together, y'know, the 'this' that affects them.
Health and housing crises are not their concern, but they'll make money on it no bother.

James Brown

Imagine we never had social housing in Ireland.
A few would have owned all houses. Like the way its turning.
All the ones whinging about 'foreva' or 'free' houses would likely be tenants themselves. Think about all those who own homes that use to be social housing or grew up in former social housing, would that be the vast majority of Irish people?
So now some don't need it they begrudge others.
Empathy and decency lacking.

jimmyrustle

Long_Wave wrote: »

You had Dick Boyd Barrett out calling for all building sites to be closed last week. What ever happened to the housing shortage emergency? Not a word about it since early February.

RBB et al were more concerned with trying to put a dent in developers pockets.

You know what is a much higher risk of spreading COVID19 than a well managed building site?

Prostitutes.

Or sex workers as the left would call them.

Hundreds currently operating on Escort Ireland.

Would the hard left dare try and shut down an industry worked primarily by women, gay men and trans types?

They would in me bollix. They're too high on the victim scale.

Dravokivich

jimmyrustle wrote: »

RBB et al were more concerned with trying to put a dent in developers pockets.

You know what is a much higher risk of spreading COVID19 than a well managed building site?

Prostitutes.

Or sex workers as the left would call them.

Hundreds currently operating on Escort Ireland.

Would the hard left dare try and shut down an industry worked primarily by women, gay men and trans types?

They would in me bollix. They're too high on the victim scale.

You should look further than the shop window. A few discussions going on in their forums, about punters being uncomfortable with women still working throughout this.

Eric Cartman

jimmyrustle wrote: »

RBB et al were more concerned with trying to put a dent in developers pockets.

You know what is a much higher risk of spreading COVID19 than a well managed building site?

Prostitutes.

Or sex workers as the left would call them.

Hundreds currently operating on Escort Ireland.

Would the hard left dare try and shut down an industry worked primarily by women, gay men and trans types?

They would in me bollix. They're too high on the victim scale.

sure theres articles on GCN calling for prostitutes to get payments from the government, from the 'sex workers association of Ireland comes this disgusting quote : "marginalised communities such as sex workers are being hit hardest" not nurses, doctors, gardai, delivery staff etc... its the prostitutes are the real victims here...

let me take out the worlds smallest violin....

Dravokivich

Eric Cartman wrote: »

sure theres articles on GCN calling for prostitutes to get payments from the government, from the 'sex workers association of Ireland comes this disgusting quote : "marginalised communities such as sex workers are being hit hardest" not nurses, doctors, gardai, delivery staff etc... its the prostitutes are the real victims here...

let me take out the worlds smallest violin....

It's a bit odd to see them paint sex workers as victims, considering they generally challenge Ruhama on that position.

BanditLuke

Bowie wrote: »

Imagine we never had social housing in Ireland.
A few would have owned all houses. Like the way its turning.
All the ones whinging about 'foreva' or 'free' houses would likely be tenants themselves. Think about all those who own homes that use to be social housing or grew up in former social housing, would that be the vast majority of Irish people?
So now some don't need it they begrudge others.
Empathy and decency lacking.

Ah it's the usual few suspects tbh who rage on about free houses etc...

You'd feel a bit sorry for them in truth.

Eric Cartman

Dravokivich wrote: »

It's a bit odd to see them paint sex workers as victims, considering they generally challenge Ruhama on that position.

as a group the swai are all over the place

at the exact same time its : sex workers don't make money, they're all exploited by pimps , then its sex workers are the primary bread winners and need to keep their families going then its the government needs to allocate tax money to help sex workers (which would necessitate tax increases) then its sex workers shouldn't be targeted by revenue because they're victims then its it should be illegal to buy sex and those buyers should be locked up but then the trade is vital to their income so should be allowed continue.

Its like they just want reparations tax free or something....

Dr. Bre

Same with the homeless crisis - did it just disappear?

Eric Cartman

Bowie wrote: »

Imagine we never had social housing in Ireland.
A few would have owned all houses. Like the way its turning.
All the ones whinging about 'foreva' or 'free' houses would likely be tenants themselves. Think about all those who own homes that use to be social housing or grew up in former social housing, would that be the vast majority of Irish people?
So now some don't need it they begrudge others.
Empathy and decency lacking.

thats not whats happening though.

people who work are priced out of Dublin by the government and cluid competing for property to hand it to people who have no more claim to Dublin than their ma lived there, 62% of whome do not work and likely never will.

those same people face high taxation to pay for that 62% both directly in income tax and the increasing green agenda shunning people for not taking public transport that they have no access to. The same government builds ad buys more social housing for that 62% near public transport further pricing workers away from their commute.

its harder to buy than its ever been, and government policy actively encourages things like being a single mother in order to get one of these effectively free houses.

people are rightly angry both at the government for their policies that allow this and those who game the system to selfishly push those who pay for their lifestyle further and further away.

Many peoples parents and grandparents grew up in social housing, but that was a different time, 66% of people were living rurally and agriculture and local business made up a much heavier load of the work, demand is now urban focussed, jobs are much more centralised and those demanding social housing are demanding to be housed in the same areas , some selfishly hoping for a windfall if they were allowed to purchase out their property for a pittance like their grandparents did.

The social housing game completely changed at the end of the 70's / start of the 80's , the rise of single parent numbers and drugs flooding the shores completely changed the anti-social area and sense of community around social housing for good, the social housing street your and my grandad had a house on are a completely different ballgame to building a social estate now.

Ballymuns main issue wasn't services, it just happened to be the one on everyones mind when these two massive factors started to become commonplace.

Sleeper12

Long_Wave wrote:

You had Dick Boyd Barrett out calling for all building sites to be closed last week. What ever happened to the housing shortage emergency? Not a word about it since early February.

I think trying to save 1000s of lives comes before housing people. Building sites shut down for a month? So what? They have the option of not closing site down in July and August for holidays.

Blaze420

Kivaro wrote: »

Unfortunately, there is the conflation with the genuine people in need of homes and the Erica Fleming and Margaret Cash types. They are all piled in together in the discussion (deliberately by some) and apparently you are a Nazi if you point that out.

Absolutely and until they remove those scumbags and their likes from the figures there is no discussion to be had around it - it’s just wasters in hotels on our taxes waiting for a free house on our taxes as far as I’m concerned.

splinter65

Blaze420 wrote: »

Absolutely and until they remove those scumbags and their likes from the figures there is no discussion to be had around it - it’s just wasters in hotels on our taxes waiting for a free house on our taxes as far as I’m concerned.

The combination of deserted main streets and Gardaí on patrol tripping over themselves is proving a huge problem for small town drug dealers in particular.
They thrive on being able to move about mingling with the decent people, meeting their customers while hiding in plain site as the squad car glides past pretending that they can’t see them.
I had one of the top drug dealers in the county on the phone to me today hysterical about being arrested and strip searched the other night “and they only lifted me because they’ve nothing else to do cos lol the real criminals have disappeared” and how her human rights were violated and how she wanted to complain to GSOC etc
They’ve been operating with impunity for so long and so completely that they no longer believe that what they’re doing is criminal. They already don’t acknowledge that there’s anything “wrong” in what their doing.....
Same lady’s father told me without batting an eyelid that if they didn’t buy it off him they’d buy it off someone else and at least he didn’t do “credit” so no one ever got into debt...

Yurt2

Kivaro wrote: »

Unfortunately, there is the conflation with the genuine people in need of homes and the Erica Fleming and Margaret Cash types. They are all piled in together in the discussion (deliberately by some) and apparently you are a Nazi if you point that out.

Au contraire, Margret Cash became a totem for the 'do nothing' brigade. it allowed them to start beating the drum that anyone speaking up about the perverse housing situation in the county must look act and sound like her, and is a feckless indolent. That's what's being deliberately peddled.

How many Margret Cashes are there, go on, tell me? I'd really love to know. Apparently it's everyone who has a problem with housing provision in Ireland, because she gets mentioned in literally every thread about the subject, despite usually having nothing to do with the topic on hand.

She's not responsible for the housing mess, runaway house.prices and spiv rental sector, that's for sure.

She's only useful for right wingers on a rager that want to shut down discussion. Free gaffes this, free gaffes that.

Yurt2

Blaze420 wrote: »

Absolutely and until they remove those scumbags and their likes from the figures there is no discussion to be had around it - it’s just wasters in hotels on our taxes waiting for a free house on our taxes as far as I’m concerned.

Luckily no one listens to what you're concerned about.

Blaze420

Yurt! wrote: »

Luckily no one listens to what you're concerned about.

I’m so hurt that you don’t care I forgot to give a **** *shrugs*. Keep playing the tiny violin for the likes of Maggie Cash, the majority know the real score with the homeless. You keep up the good fight though

Eric Cartman

Yurt! wrote: »

Au contraire, Margret Cash became a totem for the 'do nothing' brigade. it allowed them to start beating the drum that anyone speaking up about the perverse housing situation in the county must look act and sound like her, and is a feckless indolent. That's what's being deliberately peddled.

How many Margret Cashes are there, go on, tell me? I'd really love to know. Apparently it's everyone who has a problem with housing provision in Ireland, because she gets mentioned in literally every thread about the subject, despite usually having nothing to do with the topic on hand.

She's not responsible for the housing mess, runaway house.prices and spiv rental sector, that's for sure.

She's only useful for right wingers on a rager that want to shut down discussion. Free gaffes this, free gaffes that.

62% of social housing applicants have more in common with Margaret cash than they do with the taxpayer in the state. People have a right to be angry , she was propped up and used as a poster child by the home sweet home, Apollo house and other homeless movements until they realised she was the exact poison apple they had been shouting down the right for years claiming didn't exist.

jimmyrustle

Eric Cartman wrote: »

62% of social housing applicants have more in common with Margaret cash than they do with the taxpayer in the state. People have a right to be angry , she was propped up and used as a poster child by the home sweet home, Apollo house and other homeless movements until they realised she was the exact poison apple they had been shouting down the right for years claiming didn't exist.

Part of the problem here is the threshold for social housing, which essentially excludes working couples because the bar is so low.

Eric Cartman

jimmyrustle wrote: »

Part of the problem here is the threshold for social housing, which essentially excludes working couples because the bar is so low.

Agreed, working class couples who both actually work and delay having children are the biggest victims of the pool where they get routinely trumped by Margaret cash types. It unfortunately creates ballymun/darndale type scenarios where there is no balance in social tenants and you have an entire estate without a father or a job to be seen.

Jinglejangle69

Eric Cartman wrote: »

62% of social housing applicants have more in common with Margaret cash than they do with the taxpayer in the state. People have a right to be angry , she was propped up and used as a poster child by the home sweet home, Apollo house and other homeless movements until they realised she was the exact poison apple they had been shouting down the right for years claiming didn't exist.

Mary Lou had a lovely selfie with her then the next week cut her loose.

Ah I love it:)

Eric Cartman

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Mary Lou had a lovely selfie with her then the next week cut her loose.

Ah I love it:)

she turned from PbP poster victim to right wing bad example overnight after the pennies theft court case. Same with John Connors blaming the government for those carrickmines deaths after it emerged it was drug addict travellers and an illegal esb hookup caused it.

donkeykong5

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Mary Lou had a lovely selfie with her then the next week cut her loose.

Ah I love it:)

So did Miriam o callaghan.

Kivaro

Eric Cartman wrote: »

62% of social housing applicants have more in common with Margaret cash than they do with the taxpayer in the state. People have a right to be angry , she was propped up and used as a poster child by the home sweet home, Apollo house and other homeless movements until they realised she was the exact poison apple they had been shouting down the right for years claiming didn't exist.

Truly bizarre that we have a poster on here claiming that it's all a right-wing conspiracy and that Margaret Cash is just an anomaly.

I would imagine that every single one of us, well those of us who live in the real world, we know of at least 10 Margaret Cash types who are acting similarly in our localities. Not only are they getting free houses (with any payments made by them being supplied by the tax payer), but they are also claiming disability or lone-parent allowances etc., which is a slap in the face to their neighbours in the estate who work and/or contribute to society in other ways.

Eric Cartman

Kivaro wrote: »

Truly bizarre that we have a poster on here claiming that it's all a right-wing conspiracy and that Margaret Cash is just an anomaly.

I would imagine that every single one of us, well those of us who live in the real world, we know of at least 10 Margaret Cash types who are acting similarly in our localities. Not only are they getting free houses (with any payments made by them being supplied by the tax payer), but they are also claiming disability or lone-parent allowances etc., which is a slap in the face to their neighbours in the estate who work and/or contribute to society in other ways.

if everyone is honest about it , be they living in social housing or not, they all know at least a handful of those types, even if its just from seeing them down the pub or strolling round the town fag in hand at 11am on a weekday. To pretend they don't exist or they are edge cases is just a lying to themselves.

jimmyrustle

Eric Cartman wrote: »

she turned from PbP poster victim to right wing bad example overnight after the pennies theft court case. Same with John Connors blaming the government for those carrickmines deaths after it emerged it was drug addict travellers and an illegal esb hookup caused it.

Has there ever been a left wing cause celebre that wasn't later revealed to be, at the very least, a questionable character?

- Margaret Cash. Burglary accomplice, shoplifter.

- Erica Fleming. Turned down three housing offers to squat in a hotel until something ideal came along. Apparently could have easily lived with her parents during this time but chose not to.

- Ibrahim Halawa. Exposed for having lied regarding almost every aspect of his arrest. Posted some wacky religious stuff on his Facebook.

- Dead homeless man near Grafton St. Male model, gent, convicted rapist.

- Joe Loughnane. Not so much a cause celebre as a representative of the movement, but an utter cock of a man who trundled along unopposed until he got found out for aggression to some other leftie bint.

- Terry McMahon. Again not a cause celbre as such, but was cannibalised by the movement for some off colour remarks. John Connors got blacklisted by them when they realised he was anti abortion.

Amazingly I'm probably missing some. The left couldn't spell due diligence let alone practice it.

NIMAN

jimmyrustle wrote: »

Has there ever been a left wing cause celebre that wasn't later revealed to be, at the very least, a questionable character?

- Margaret Cash. Burglary accomplice, shoplifter.

- Erica Fleming. Turned down three housing offers to squat in a hotel until something ideal came along. Apparently could have easily lived with her parents during this time but chose not to.

- Ibrahim Halawa. Exposed for having lied regarding almost every aspect of his arrest. Posted some wacky religious stuff on his Facebook.

- Dead homeless man near Grafton St. Male model, gent, convicted rapist.

- Joe Loughnane. Not so much a cause celebre as a representative of the movement, but an utter cock of a man who trundled along unopposed until he got found out for aggression to some other leftie bint.

- Terry McMahon. Again not a cause celbre as such, but was cannibalised by the movement for some off colour remarks. John Connors got blacklisted by them when they realised he was anti abortion.

Amazingly I'm probably missing some. The left couldn't spell due diligence let alone practice it.

You forgot to add that once she got her forever home, she was online inside the next couple of weeks complaining about the quality of her pvc windows.