I want a shutdown NOW!

jonnny68

realdanbreen wrote: »

Why bother, there is going to be a need for another lockdown in November anyway what with all these muppets needing to get their arses tanned in Ibiza and Benidorm!

yeah blame it all on people going abroad on holidays:rolleyes: what about the far greater numbers of Irish staying at home eh, you'll have throngs of people in small country towns , but yeah let's just ignore this and lay the blame at people who go on holiday to country's with smaller rates of covid-19.

jonnny68

jonnny68 wrote: »

yeah blame it all on people going abroad on holidays:rolleyes: what about the far greater numbers of Irish staying at home eh, you'll have throngs of people in small country towns , but yeah let's just ignore this and lay the blame at people who go on holiday to country's with smaller rates of covid-19.

Except for the returnees to Sligo a few weeks ago, about which there was a load of disinformation spread about Belfast etc, have there actually been clusters linked to tourists in Ireland? It’s been a good few weeks now....

cajonlardo

Claw Hammer wrote: »

I said initially that technically we don't have an army.
We don't. We have a force which has 2 understrength brigades, about half a division. To be an army there needs to be at least 4 divisions and that is at the extreme lower end. Many armies would have 30 divisions.

What we have would be lost in a tot in the order of battle of a proper army.

whats your beef with the role the defense forces have played in the Corona crisis?
After all this is a thread and forum duscussimg corona and not military organisation and structure.

From what Ive seen the defense forces have excelled themselves throughout this crisis

Nothing asked of them has been too much , no task too big or too trivial.

Flying test samples to German labs overnight, crewing ambulances, manning test centres ( big shout out to the vets in the centres giving their time for free - your term of service might have expired but your loyalty and sense of duty has not )
Naval Ships returned from patrol and put into service as test centres
Army Engineer corp building facilities, Signals providing telecom and I.T networks, Cadet College contact tracing, Supply & Transport providing....eh , suppy and transport , Despatch riders couriering. Infantry doing general manual labour.... List goes on and on.

Bear in mind lads were on flood relief operations and went directly onto covid duties after workimg seriously long hours and weekends since Christmas and that troops reported directly to barracks foregoing leave due after returning from overseas duties

Also bear in mind these people work unreal hours without overtime payments and many of them are so lowly paid they qualify for income supplement.

And have we heard them looking for child care? Did you hear any of them asking for tax free payments? Did you hear them singing their own praises or posting poor me videos on the internet?
Female Sergeant on late late frontline special mother of 4 with their Dad serving in Syria - her attitude was there is a national crisis and her duty was to get stuck in. No drama, no whinging just a calm professional can do attitude. Credit to the uniform and an example to her subordinates.

None of this surprises me. Its what this organisation do despite what a subset of malcontented begrudging or jealous boards posters would have us believe.

So work away with your theories of military formation. The only " real army" this country needs is the one we have - the one that quietly and efficiently gets the job done.

jonnny68

Deleted User wrote: »

Except for the returnees to Sligo a few weeks ago, about which there was a load of disinformation spread about Belfast etc, have there actually been clusters linked to tourists in Ireland? It’s been a good few weeks now....

i dont know has there, but im sick to death people continuously demonising people who decide to holiday abroad, you've as much a chance contracting the virus in a popular crowded Irish town than you have say for example in a half empty Greek holiday resort , it seems it's popular now for a certain element to demonise people going abroad but they are silent when it's pointed out to them they would have every bit as much a chance catching it in a crowded Irish town given so many are supposedly staying at home.

Everyone on a plane has to wear a mask otherwise you wont get on the plane,i took a flight a few weeks ago and everyone was wearing a mask and everyone was well spread out, im sure everyone who does decide to travel abroad on holidays will be much more cautious than normal and will practice good hand hygiene,etc ,there is absolutely no reason whatsoever not to fly to countries with rates similar or lower than Ireland if you so wish, some of us have no interest at all in staying in Ireland,sick of people coming out with this garbage.,

realdanbreen

jonnny68 wrote: »

yeah blame it all on people going abroad on holidays:rolleyes: what about the far greater numbers of Irish staying at home eh, you'll have throngs of people in small country towns , but yeah let's just ignore this and lay the blame at people who go on holiday to country's with smaller rates of covid-19.

When are you due to fly out?

jonnny68

realdanbreen wrote: »

When are you due to fly out?

in August , and will be going to a country with lower rates of covid-19 than we have here.

jonnny68

i'll take the word of someone like Dr Jack Lambert

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/telling-people-not-to-travel-overseas-on-holiday-is-wrong-headed-1.4297275

Mitch Connor

jonnny68 wrote: »

i'll take the word of someone like Dr Jack Lambert

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/telling-people-not-to-travel-overseas-on-holiday-is-wrong-headed-1.4297275

because of your past knowledge of their competency and experience, or because they have Dr. in their name and are saying something you agree with?

Muscles Schultz

Anyone for a dose of the Covid?

https://twitter.com/corktod/status/1285538182793236486?s=12

jonnny68

Mitch Connor wrote: »

because of your past knowledge of their competency and experience, or because they have Dr. in their name and are saying something you agree with?

He specialises in infectious diseases so id say he is more than qualified to speak on the matter and would know exactly what he is talking about.

https://people.ucd.ie/john.lambert

Claw Hammer

cajonlardo wrote: »

whats your beef with the role the defense forces have played in the Corona crisis?
After all this is a thread and forum duscussimg corona and not military organisation and structure.

From what Ive seen the defense forces have excelled themselves throughout this crisis

Nothing asked of them has been too much , no task too big or too trivial.

Flying test samples to German labs overnight, crewing ambulances, manning test centres ( big shout out to the vets in the centres giving their time for free - your term of service might have expired but your loyalty and sense of duty has not )
Naval Ships returned from patrol and put into service as test centres
Army Engineer corp building facilities, Signals providing telecom and I.T networks, Cadet College contact tracing, Supply & Transport providing....eh , suppy and transport , Despatch riders couriering. Infantry doing general manual labour.... List goes on and on.

Bear in mind lads were on flood relief operations and went directly onto covid duties after workimg seriously long hours and weekends since Christmas and that troops reported directly to barracks foregoing leave due after returning from overseas duties

Also bear in mind these people work unreal hours without overtime payments and many of them are so lowly paid they qualify for income supplement.

And have we heard them looking for child care? Did you hear any of them asking for tax free payments? Did you hear them singing their own praises or posting poor me videos on the internet?
Female Sergeant on late late frontline special mother of 4 with their Dad serving in Syria - her attitude was there is a national crisis and her duty was to get stuck in. No drama, no whinging just a calm professional can do attitude. Credit to the uniform and an example to her subordinates.

None of this surprises me. Its what this organisation do despite what a subset of malcontented begrudging or jealous boards posters would have us believe.

So work away with your theories of military formation. The only " real army" this country needs is the one we have - the one that quietly and efficiently gets the job done.

I never complained about anything the Defence Forces have done in the Covid crisis. I just said we don't have an army, which is a different thing altogether.
Some people just take any point they don't agree with and take it as criticism.
The only reason I can think of as to why they do that is because of an inferiority complex.

realdanbreen

jonnny68 wrote: »

i dont know has there, but im sick to death people continuously demonising people who decide to holiday abroad, you've as much a chance contracting the virus in a popular crowded Irish town than you have say for example in a half empty Greek holiday resort , it seems it's popular now for a certain element to demonise people going abroad but they are silent when it's pointed out to them they would have every bit as much a chance catching it in a crowded Irish town given so many are supposedly staying at home.

Everyone on a plane has to wear a mask otherwise you wont get on the plane,i took a flight a few weeks ago and everyone was wearing a mask and everyone was well spread out, im sure everyone who does decide to travel abroad on holidays will be much more cautious than normal and will practice good hand hygiene,etc ,there is absolutely no reason whatsoever not to fly to countries with rates similar or lower than Ireland if you so wish, some of us have no interest at all in staying in Ireland,sick of people coming out with this garbage.,

The fact that you're getting so wound up and feeling guilty about going probably means you're not going to enjoy the trip at all at all.

realdanbreen

realdanbreen wrote: »

The fact that you're getting so wound up and feeling guilty about going probably means you're not going to enjoy the trip at all at all.

I don’t feel an iota of guilt about travelling. It’s actually wonderful going to places that are largely COVID free but empty of tourists. And, yes, I WFH so compliance with the ‘restriction of movement’ rule is not a problem

cajonlardo

Claw Hammer wrote: »

I never complained about anything the Defence Forces have done in the Covid crisis. I just said we don't have an army, which is a different thing altogether.
Some people just take any point they don't agree with and take it as criticism.
The only reason I can think of as to why they do that is because of an inferiority complex.

I will try again

1. Look at the name of the forum and the matters discussed therein

2. Check title of this thread

3. Refer to your own contribution.

Now, why would you bring into a Corona Virus thread the matter of what does or does not constitute a " real army" ?
Did you imagine that people concerned with the emergency want to be waylaid by such a discussion?

If the Defense Forces were to be discussed in the context of this matter, surely we should be discussing their Covid related duties, reponsibilities and the results?

Who , in your imagunation, is feeling inferior and why? Certainly not the PDF.

I guess that leaves posters in the thread.
Cant umderstand why you would have any reason to say that except you realise that your military structure snd org postulations have no place here and that makes the posters who have pointed this out correct.

jonnny68

jonnny68 wrote: »

He specialises in infectious diseases so id say he is more than qualified to speak on the matter and would know exactly what he is talking about.

https://people.ucd.ie/john.lambert

McConkey, Killeen, O'Neill, Ryan et al are not qualified and don't know what they are talking about? Not saying I agree with what they say or disagree with Lambert, but people tend to pick the opinion that aligns with their view and defend to the hilt rather than look for a broad range of views

briany

So, with cases back on the rise, how long will it be before restrictions are rolled out or another proper lockdown is introduced? 100 cases a day? 500? 1000?

Seems to me that there would be a point where that has to happen, if the numbers get bad enough.

freak scence

when the schools go back they will want a lockdown and they can go and get fu cked , they had 5 months to come up with a plan and thought it would go away , now they are just throwing money at it , we are turning into the USA since new FF gimps took over .

1 million kids going back to same routine , we saw at the weekend what 200 gimps in clare were like they don't care , same as their sh ite parents

solidasarock

briany wrote: »

So, with cases back on the rise, how long will it be before restrictions are rolled out or another proper lockdown is introduced? 100 cases a day? 500? 1000?

Seems to me that there would be a point where that has to happen, if the numbers get bad enough.

Most places do smaller location based lockdowns now.

So if there is another spike we will probably only Lockdown Dublin / Cork / wherever the outbreak is located.


Anyway I just hope we can keep the pubs closed. Clubs and Pubs have caused too many spikes in every other EU country that tried to reopen them.

If Pubs open next week as planned they will be closed again by the first week of September.

briany

solidasarock wrote: »

Most places do smaller location based lockdowns now.

So if there is another spike we will probably only Lockdown Dublin / Cork / wherever the outbreak is located.


Anyway I just hope we can keep the pubs closed. Clubs and Pubs have caused too many spikes in every other EU country that tried to reopen them.

If Pubs open next week as planned they will be closed again by the first week of September.

Local lockdowns make sense as a means to slow the virus while also keeping the economy moving in other places not so affected. The only problem with it is when people can still move out of the affected area for work or staycationing. We saw how Italians flouted the local lockdown in Lombardy attempted at the end of Feb when loads of them headed off to holiday homes in between the time of the lockdown announcement and enforcement.

This is all just to say that a local lockdown would have to be properly enforced and dutifully adhered to.

SteelyDanJalapeno

The stand in Tony O Donohue replacement said on Friday that Ireland is too small for a regionalised lockdown, it will be a national move when/if it happens, and it will probably go back to phase 2

faceman

briany wrote: »

So, with cases back on the rise, how long will it be before restrictions are rolled out or another proper lockdown is introduced? 100 cases a day? 500? 1000?

Seems to me that there would be a point where that has to happen, if the numbers get bad enough.

100 cases a day is the threshold and they’ve said that it would be at national level. Utter rubbish and incompetence by the government if they do it at national level

terenc

This country is becoming a bit of a sad joke , people not adhering to to simple instruction concerning their health and the health of this nation, does it really matter anymore if we allow the pubs to open ,I live in a a town of roughly 5000 and the pubs are open, The Garda are absolutely useless because they have no powers and our justice system is a another sad joke when dealing with people breaking the law. This virus loves us and our incompetent government, who will they blame when the body bags start filling and our hospitals become a death sentence

Iscreamkone

terenc wrote: »

This country is becoming a bit of a sad joke , people not adhering to to simple instruction concerning their health and the health of this nation, does it really matter anymore if we allow the pubs to open ,I live in a a town of roughly 5000 and the pubs are open, The Garda are absolutely useless because they have no powers and our justice system is a another sad joke when dealing with people breaking the law. This virus loves us and our incompetent government, who will they blame when the body bags start filling and our hospitals become a death sentence

More people died in Ireland during July 2019 than in July 2020. Covid is here and we need to make plans to live our lives with it. Hiding under the bed is not an option. (Maybe it is for some).

Oranage2

Iscreamkone wrote: »

More people died in Ireland during July 2019 than in July 2020. Covid is here and we need to make plans to live our lives with it. Hiding under the bed is not an option. (Maybe it is for some).

So by that theory the lockdown is saving lives, perhaps a forever lockdown is needed

bladespin

Oranage2 wrote: »

So by that theory the lockdown is saving lives, perhaps a forever lockdown is needed

There are those who would love this.

Bit cynical

Oranage2 wrote: »

So by that theory the lockdown is saving lives, perhaps a forever lockdown is needed

Full lockdown until the September Vaccine next month.

landofthetree

terenc wrote: »

This country is becoming a bit of a sad joke , people not adhering to to simple instruction concerning their health and the health of this nation, does it really matter anymore if we allow the pubs to open ,I live in a a town of roughly 5000 and the pubs are open, The Garda are absolutely useless because they have no powers and our justice system is a another sad joke when dealing with people breaking the law. This virus loves us and our incompetent government, who will they blame when the body bags start filling and our hospitals become a death sentence

Until a vaccine comes along personal responsibility was always going to be key. Its sad to see how bad things are.

I went for a haircut in a barbers on bank holiday Monday. Sadly the barber had a facemask not covering her nose and then was going to use the same gown as the previous customer. In fairness she did clean the chair but I decided to leave and told her that her H and S weren't up to scratch.

begbysback

landofthetree wrote: »

Until a vaccine comes along personal responsibility was always going to be key. Its sad to see how bad things are.

I went for a haircut in a barbers on bank holiday Monday. Sadly the barber had a facemask not covering her nose and then was going to use the same gown as the previous customer. In fairness she did clean the chair but I decided to leave and told her that her H and S weren't up to scratch.

So you went into the barbers to do a health & safety check, under the pretence of getting a haircut?

Danno

terenc wrote: »

This country is becoming a bit of a sad joke , people not adhering to to simple instruction concerning their health and the health of this nation, does it really matter anymore if we allow the pubs to open ,I live in a a town of roughly 5000 and the pubs are open, The Garda are absolutely useless because they have no powers and our justice system is a another sad joke when dealing with people breaking the law. This virus loves us and our incompetent government, who will they blame when the body bags start filling and our hospitals become a death sentence

The law is the power. There is no law to stop pubs being open. If there was a law the Gardai would then have enforcement power, they do not.

Your statement is a rambling oxymoron.

MickeyLeari

Oranage2 wrote: »

So by that theory the lockdown is saving lives, perhaps a forever lockdown is needed

I think we need to look at excess deaths early next year rather than month by month.