Running, Corona Virus and Social Distancing

terminator74

Has anyone had any negative reactions from other people when you are out running? My wife was running with 2 friends in the Phoenix Park on Tuesday and was verbally abused by a man stating that they acting recklessly by running in groups.

Maybe this has made me paranoid but I do feel I am getting some funny looks, from people particularly older people, while out running the last few days.

Any similar experiences or what are people views about appropriate behaviour here?

Swashbuckler

Whatever about people's reactions I don't think people should be running in groups unless they're practicing social distancing. The guidelines have been clear.

From my own perspective I do all my running on my own anyway. If anything I find I've had more nods and salutes than usual but maybe that's coz it's nice to see a different face to the faces we're at home with all day. Lol.

SuspectZero

average_runner

terminator74 wrote: »

Has anyone had any negative reactions from other people when you are out running? My wife was running with 2 friends in the Phoenix Park on Tuesday and was verbally abused by a man stating that they acting recklessly by running in groups.

Maybe this has made me paranoid but I do feel I am getting some funny looks, from people particularly older people, while out running the last few days.

Any similar experiences or what are people views about appropriate behaviour here?

Once ye are two meters apart at all time and also giving other people that space your alright. But you should do it in a very quiet place as parks are packed now.

Some of our club runs together in the park but are doing it on the gaa pitch, 2 meters apart.

I personally am running on my own as feel more comfortable that way.

pc11

average_runner wrote: »

Once ye are two meters apart at all time and also giving other people that space your alright. But you should do it in a very quiet place as parks are packed now.

Some of our club runs together in the park but are doing it on the gaa pitch, 2 meters apart.

I personally am running on my own as feel more comfortable that way.

Indeed.

I cycled around the city centre on Paddy's Day and it was very quiet. Then I cycled to the Clontarf seafront and it was packed! It felt very strange and quite uncomfortable, frankly.

And it seems Glendalough and other places were also packed.

Come on people, spread out a bit. I'm all for getting outside and exercising but let's cop on a bit. There's plenty of space out there is we think a little bit.

Basically, pretend you have the virus and want to not spread it. That works way better than trying to avoid getting it.

average_runner

pc11 wrote: »

Indeed.

I cycled around the city centre on Paddy's Day and it was very quiet. Then I cycled to the Clontarf seafront and it was packed! It felt very strange and quite uncomfortable, frankly.

And it seems Glendalough and other places were also packed.

Come on people, spread out a bit. I'm all for getting outside and exercising but let's cop on a bit. There's plenty of space out there is we think a little bit.

Basically, pretend you have the virus and want to not spread it. That works way better than trying to avoid getting it.

Yeah avoiding Glendalough.

Need to find somewhere to bring the kids on sat, as getting bored of the park but am working from home during week, so all I can manage.
Not that I am complaining, as I am lucky I can do that

Sorry about that

Nobody should be running in a group, we were told to avoid social interactions. The day the schools closed, my running buddy and I said we'd leave it till this is all over. I'm running on my own now, and it's pretty irritating to see people ignoring the public health advice, and increasing (even a little) the chances of transmission. Everyone knows this, but some choose to ignore it.

rovers_runner

Whatever about runners the feral dog walkers of the council estates are finding out about our woodlands.
Walking 3 or 4 wide on the path and letting their mutt loose, not a leash in sight.

One mutt pretty much ran into my path last weekend and I f*cked them out of it, only to be told I'd be knocked out if I didn't F off by said feral father figure*

*may not be childs actual father.

average_runner

rovers_runner wrote: »

Whatever about runners the feral dog walkers of the council estates are finding out about our woodlands.
Walking 3 or 4 wide on the path and letting their mutt loose, not a leash in sight.

One mutt pretty much ran into my path last weekend and I f*cked them out of it, only to be told I'd be knocked out if I didn't F off by said feral father figure*

*may not be childs actual father.

Understand your pain. We have a young Labrador but keep him on the lead, but it doesn't help when others don't and signs up in the park saying no dogs off the lead!!!

plodder

There's no question that stricter measures will be on the way, if the current ones aren't working. And my big worry is a lockdown of the form of "stay at home except for specific exceptions, like going to work, or a shop" which rules out solo running and cycling. I live in a rural area and the actual risk involved with me running/cycling on my own is miniscule. So, the idea of looking out at empty roads, not able to use them, is not nice to contemplate.

average_runner

plodder wrote: »

There's no question that stricter measures will be on the way, if the current ones aren't working. And my big worry is a lockdown of the form of "stay at home except for specific exceptions, like going to work, or a shop" which rules out solo running and cycling. I live in a rural area and the actual risk involved with me running/cycling on my own is miniscule. So, the idea of looking out at empty roads, not able to use them, is not nice to contemplate.

They are allowed to exercise in Italy. Mental will fall to pieces otherwise

plodder

average_runner wrote: »

They are allowed to exercise in Italy. Mental will fall to pieces otherwise

Not in Spain apparently. I've seen a video of an altercation between an English guy cycling and the police on the Costa del sol.

and ..

We speak to an ultramarathon runner, currently in lockdown in Spain

though I understand you can get out to walk your dog.

sideswipe

As usual it's a case of common sense not being very common. People need to work together here and see this as a fight against a common enemy. The only real tools we have to use are sensible distancing and hygiene. I came across 3 large groups of cyclists on my run on Tuesday, one group was 15+ all happily cycling along in each others slip streams for hours at a time makes no sense.

Best piece of advice I've heard is to act as though you already have the virus to protect the vulnerable and stop the spread meaning we can all get back to normal quicker.

Irish people are just not good at doing as we are asked, there's a rebellious streak in us. Other nationalities seem better at civic responsibility. As was mentioned on the radio the other day-

Q. How do you get 400 Canadians to get out of a swimming pool?

A. You ask them to leave.

Here you'd have to ask 10 times.

It's in our nature to think suggestions and requests made by governing bodies are optional.

Miklos

plodder wrote: »

Not in Spain apparently. I've seen a video of an altercation between an English guy cycling and the police on the Costa del sol.

They're not allowed cycle because there's a higher risk of you needing to go to hospital if you come off.

BanditLuke

rovers_runner wrote: »

Whatever about runners the feral dog walkers of the council estates are finding out about our woodlands.
Walking 3 or 4 wide on the path and letting their mutt loose, not a leash in sight.

One mutt pretty much ran into my path last weekend and I f*cked them out of it, only to be told I'd be knocked out if I didn't F off by said feral father figure*

*may not be childs actual father.

How do you know they are from council estates?

BanditLuke

Local park here (deer park) is full of runners in groups of four and five. Was out for a stroll yesterday with the missus and told them to cop the hell on and respect the rules. Also why can't they run on the grass and not on the paths nobody wants some self entitled oink running past them sweating andblowing snot out of their nose.

rovers_runner

BanditLuke wrote: »

How do you know they are from council estates?

Combination of the following
- Inbred townie accent
- Dressed like an athlete 24/7
- A walk like there is something lodged in their arse
- Lack of leash on a dog
- Meltdown when challenged about anything

BanditLuke

rovers_runner wrote: »

Combination of the following
- Inbred townie accent
- Dressed like an athlete 24/7
- A walk like there is something lodged in their arse
- Lack of leash on a dog
- Meltdown when challenged about anything

Oh so you are just stereotyping. Thought you had evidence.

Carry on.

Stark

BanditLuke wrote: »

Local park here (deer park) is full of runners in groups of four and five. Was out for a stroll yesterday with the missus and told them to cop the hell on and respect the rules. Also why can't they run on the grass and not on the paths nobody wants some self entitled oink running past them sweating andblowing snot out of their nose.

Walk on the grass if you've an issue with it.

adrian522

Stark wrote: »

Walk on the grass if you've an issue with it.

Running on the path makes one self entitled now apparently.

skyblue46

sideswipe wrote: »

As usual it's a case of common sense not being very common. People need to work together here and see this as a fight against a common enemy. The only real tools we have to use are sensible distancing and hygiene. I came across 3 large groups of cyclists on my run on Tuesday, one group was 15+ all happily cycling along in each others slip streams for hours at a time makes no sense.

Best piece of advice I've heard is to act as though you already have the virus to protect the vulnerable and stop the spread meaning we can all get back to normal quicker.

Irish people are just not good at doing as we are asked, there's a rebellious streak in us. Other nationalities seem better at civic responsibility. As was mentioned on the radio the other day-

Q. How do you get 400 Canadians to get out of a swimming pool?

A. You ask them to leave.

Here you'd have to ask 10 times.

It's in our nature to think suggestions and requests made by governing bodies are optional.

This! I will only run alone for the foreseeable future and only on the quiet streets. The Phoenix Park on Sunday was packed to the rafters with social distancing seeming like something to be done only by Italians. I'll only run in parks if it's early mornings before the hordes descend. I am acting as if I have the virus and don't want to spread it. You wouldn't believe some of the reactions I have had to this in work!!

The difference that every percentage drop in daily new cases below the 33.33% used by the government in predicting cases going forward is staggering. If we could get that down to 25% the knock on benefits would be massive. Instead of the predicted 112,000 cases by April 7th there would be less than 72,000. That difference would reduce the need for hospital beds by up to 4,000 and also a huge drop in the need for ICU beds and respiratory equipment. We can all do our bit...in fact it's our duty.

Dudda

While this will remain a problem in more built up areas I'm looking forward to the time changing next weekend. The additional light should make it easier to get out in the evening on quieter unlit roads. The regular local routes around the lake and river where I live were very busy last night and St. Patrick's day. I've always ran solo but I'm looking forward to exploring more quiet country roads outside the town I live in.

Burkie1203

terminator74 wrote: »

Has anyone had any negative reactions from other people when you are out running? My wife was running with 2 friends in the Phoenix Park on Tuesday and was verbally abused by a man stating that they acting recklessly by running in groups.

Maybe this has made me paranoid but I do feel I am getting some funny looks, from people particularly older people, while out running the last few days.

Any similar experiences or what are people views about appropriate behaviour here?

8 of us went up to park on Tuesday. Paired up in groups of 2 with 5 m between each group

average_runner

BanditLuke wrote: »

Local park here (deer park) is full of runners in groups of four and five. Was out for a stroll yesterday with the missus and told them to cop the hell on and respect the rules. Also why can't they run on the grass and not on the paths nobody wants some self entitled oink running past them sweating andblowing snot out of their nose.

Perfectly entitled to run on the path. Why don't your missus walk on the grass.

average_runner

BanditLuke wrote: »

Oh so you are just stereotyping. Thought you had evidence.

Carry on.

I think everything he said was evidence

average_runner

adrian522 wrote: »

Running on the path makes one self entitled now apparently.

If your not from a council estate

Chivito550

skyblue46 wrote: »

This! I will only run alone for the foreseeable future and only on the quiet streets. The Phoenix Park on Sunday was packed to the rafters with social distancing seeming like something to be done only by Italians. I'll only run in parks if it's early mornings before the hordes descend. I am acting as if I have the virus and don't want to spread it. You wouldn't believe some of the reactions I have had to this in work!!

The difference that every percentage drop in daily new cases below the 33.33% used by the government in predicting cases going forward is staggering. If we could get that down to 25% the knock on benefits would be massive. Instead of the predicted 112,000 cases by April 7th there would be less than 72,000. That difference would reduce the need for hospital beds by up to 4,000 and also a huge drop in the need for ICU beds and respiratory equipment. We can all do our bit...in fact it's our duty.

Fully agree its our duty to do our bit.

I'm not buying those figures though. I don't see us being anywhere close to 15,000 by end of March. Given Italy are 2 weeks ahead of us, thus means us being on 15,000 then is the equivalent of them having 180,000 now, adjusting for population.

They say it will go up by 30% every day and we'll be on 15000 by 31 March and that this will happen and there is nothing we can do to stop it (Leo's words). Well we went up by just 7% yesterday. I don't see us being anywhere near 15000, particularly with the measures now in place.

I understand they are probably trying to freak people out so they will act, and that's a good tactic. The figures are way off though.

average_runner

Chivito550 wrote: »

Fully agree its our duty to do our bit.

I'm not buying those figures though. I don't see us being anywhere close to 15,000 by end of March. Given Italy are 2 weeks ahead of us, thus means us being on 15,000 then is the equivalent of them having 180,000 now, adjusting for population.

They say it will go up by 30% every day and we'll be on 15000 by 31 March and that this will happen and there is nothing we can do to stop it (Leo's words). Well we went up by just 7% yesterday. I don't see us being anywhere near 15000, particularly with the measures now in place.

I understand they are probably trying to freak people out so they will act, and that's a good tactic. The figures are way off though.

We are testing more now, so numbers should increase a lot more.

15,000, I agree with you there, but to get people to behave we got to shock them with worst case scenario.

I think we be out of this by end of April in Ireland, still might not be able to travel, but we can holiday here

KSU

Chivito550 wrote: »

They say it will go up by 30% every day and we'll be on 15000 by 31 March and that this will happen and there is nothing we can do to stop it (Leo's words). Well we went up by just 7% yesterday. I don't see us being anywhere near 15000, particularly with the measures now in place.

Testing protocol's changed in recent days so expect dramatic rises when those results start feeding in. 15,000 was projections based on where we were I do think with company closures and other measures that have been taken this number will be lower due to proactive measures but I the Governement are preparing for coping with those number projections so I don't think they will revise them down anytime soon even if the trends deviate.

Pherekydes

Chivito550 wrote: »

Well we went up by just 7% yesterday. I don't see us being anywhere near 15000, particularly with the measures now in place.

The % increase, by day, since last Friday are 43%, 31%, 32%, 31%, and 25%. Where did you get 7%?

74/292 = 25.3%

Chivito550

Pherekydes wrote: »

The % increase, by day, since last Friday are 43%, 31%, 32%, 31%, and 25%. Where did you get 7%?

74/292 = 25.3%

69 increasing to 74

5/69 = 7.24%

I thought it was calculated on the percentage increase compared to previous day.

If your method is the one to go by then you can already see the figures declining. No way will 33% be maintained as time goes on. In Sweden and Denmark we are starting to see increases of about 10%. The bigger the total number becomes, the more we will see the percentage come down using your method.

skyblue46

Chivito550 wrote: »

69 increasing to 74

5/69 = 7.24%

I thought it was calculated on the percentage increase compared to previous day.

If your method is the one to go by then you can already see the figures declining. No way will 33% be maintained as time goes on. In Sweden and Denmark we are starting to see increases of about 10%. The bigger the total number becomes, the more we will see the percentage come down using your method.

Maybe this is where people don't see how the exponential increases are predicted...it's an increase of 30% on the previous day's total cases that is the expected number of new cases for the following day.

That's how they get to 15,000 by March 31. By then there will be 5,000 cases the next day, 6,000 the day after etc...

Pherekydes

Chivito550 wrote: »

69 increasing to 74

5/69 = 7.24%

I thought it was calculated on the percentage increase compared to previous day.

If your method is the one to go by then you can already see the figures declining. No way will 33% be maintained as time goes on. In Sweden and Denmark we are starting to see increases of about 10%. The bigger the total number becomes, the more we will see the percentage come down using your method.

Going by your method, the last five days would have been 95%, 3%, 35%, 28%, 7%.

Makes no sense. You couldn't extrapolate from that at all. How could you make a prediction?

New cases as a percentage of the previous total is the formula.

BeepBeep67

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kas0tIxDvrg

Chivito550

skyblue46 wrote: »

Maybe this is where people don't see how the exponential increases are predicted...it's an increase of 30% on the previous day's total cases that is the expected number of new cases for the following day.

That's how they get to 15,000 by March 31. By then there will be 5,000 cases the next day, 6,000 the day after etc...

I hope Paddy Power are as confident as you on 15000 by 31 March, as I'd very much like the odds I'd be getting on the contrary so. We will reconvene in 12 days.

To be at 15000 by 31 March means having an infection rate per capita 5-6 times that of Italy right now (who are two weeks ahead of us, so a good comparison).

I don't buy it.

EDIT: Not that I would ever bet on such things like this, just to be absolutely clear. Only highlighting a point that I don't see 15k happening. Time will tell.

Glencarraig

average_runner wrote: »

Perfectly entitled to run on the path. Why don't your missus walk on the grass.

Exactly, surely they dont expect me to get my Next% all muddy

SuspectZero

its doubling every 3 days, no need to get tricky on the days, that way it's just clean and straightforward. Our current trajectory is still on line with Wuhan and Italy in terms of exponential growth when it comes to positive cases(much lower fatality rates though) along with The rest of Europe and the US. The only countries bucking the exponential growth curve are Japan, South Korea and Hong Kong.

As a stat nerd, there seems to be no ryhme or reason to the figures though.

Italy has an 8.6% fatality rate
Germany has a .2% fatality rate
Ireland has a .5% fatality rate(this could possibly rise due to a mean of 20 days from infection to fatality which will cause a lag from positive cases growing first)

Another interesting one, Japan has only seen a doubling of cases every 7 days(second lowest infection rate) despite having the oldest population in the World. This despite having a 57 day period between patient zero been discovered and strict guidelines been put in place which is a longer period than Italy did yet much lower cases and fatality rates. So basically, nothing makes sense

These are all based on the assumption that the official numbers are correct of course and not been hidden.

Glencarraig

BanditLuke wrote: »

Local park here (deer park) is full of runners in groups of four and five. Was out for a stroll yesterday with the missus and told them to cop the hell on and respect the rules. Also why can't they run on the grass and not on the paths nobody wants some self entitled oink running past them sweating andblowing snot out of their nose.

My local park is full of kamikaze kids on scooters/bicycles/skates with parents who are too busy with their head stuck in their phones to notice how much mayhem the brats are causing not just to runners but other park users in general and dont get me started on those who think it's perfectly ok to completely block the paths with 3 abreast prams while they stop to chat to Mary from up the road who they have not seen for at least 24 hours.

skyblue46

Chivito550 wrote: »

I hope Paddy Power are as confident as you on 15000 by 31 March, as I'd very much like the odds I'd be getting on the contrary so. We will reconvene in 12 days.

To be at 15000 by 31 March means having an infection rate per capita 5-6 times that of Italy right now (who are two weeks ahead of us, so a good comparison).

I don't buy it.

EDIT: Not that I would ever bet on such things like this, just to be absolutely clear. Only highlighting a point that I don't see 15k happening. Time will tell.

I don't really like the use of the word confident...I hope that the calculations based on other countries are not accurate but I fear they will be based on what I see on the streets from day to day....social distancing seems to be something only applied to strangers, seemingly family and friends are guaranteed to be virus free in many minds.

As Suspect Zero has said some of the stats are difficult to square with each other but in any case we are barely scratching the surface yet....whether the 15k is reached on 29/3 or 5/4 is a minor detail. It will still only be a small fraction of what lies ahead.

Edit: 191 new cases today....about a 50% increase on yesterday. That's worrying.

KSU

skyblue46 wrote: »

Edit: 191 new cases today....about a 50% increase on yesterday. That's worrying.

This upshot was anticipated. Testing criteria changed in the last few days meaning that larger numbers were being tested. We are now starting to see the impact of these test results starting to filter through into the results. Expect this sort of rapid increase for the next few days till the testing criteria is comparable day to day.

Chivito550

KSU wrote: »

This upshot was anticipated. Testing criteria changed in the last few days meaning that larger numbers were being tested. We are now starting to see the impact of these test results starting to filter through into the results. Expect this sort of rapid increase for the next few days till the testing criteria is comparable day to day.

The upshot is that only 6 people are in the serious category (plus 3 deaths), so the increased testing is picking up a lot of mild cases which otherwise wouldn't be detected. This is a good thing. South Korea tested extensively and they seemed to have now got things relatively under control, with a very low death rate. Let's hope for the same here.

average_runner

Glencarraig wrote: »

Exactly, surely they dont expect me to get my Next% all muddy

Probably mug u if they knew the price of them

average_runner

skyblue46 wrote: »

I don't really like the use of the word confident...I hope that the calculations based on other countries are not accurate but I fear they will be based on what I see on the streets from day to day....social distancing seems to be something only applied to strangers, seemingly family and friends are guaranteed to be virus free in many minds.

As Suspect Zero has said some of the stats are difficult to square with each other but in any case we are barely scratching the surface yet....whether the 15k is reached on 29/3 or 5/4 is a minor detail. It will still only be a small fraction of what lies ahead.

Edit: 191 new cases today....about a 50% increase on yesterday. That's worrying.

More testing getting carried out.

average_runner

Its the younger generation that seems to think it's a joke. Really need to clamp down on them.

skyblue46

average_runner wrote: »

Its the younger generation that seems to think it's a joke. Really need to clamp down on them.

It's more than that judging from some of the downplaying of the situation I'm reading. I've already heard grown adults discuss whether it's worth spending billions worldwide and throwing Europe into mass unemployment and recession just to add a few years to the lives of a minuscule percentile of the population who are already either very old or very sick. Natural selection they say....:(

Chivito550

skyblue46 wrote: »

It's more than that judging from some of the downplaying of the situation I'm reading. I've already heard grown adults discuss whether it's worth spending billions worldwide and throwing Europe into mass unemployment and recession just to add a few years to the lives of a minuscule percentile of the population who are already either very old or very sick. Natural selection they say....:(

Utterly appalling. I really hope that's just the opinion of a small minority.

skyblue46

Chivito550 wrote: »

Utterly appalling. I really hope that's just the opinion of a small minority.

It was a conversation I overheard in a coffee shop...eight 35-40 year olds...They were also querying why the world didn't come to a standstill to save the 650,000 who die annually of flu or the 27 million who die of starvation...

Chivito550

skyblue46 wrote: »

It was a conversation I overheard in a coffee shop...eight 35-40 year olds...They were also querying why the world didn't come to a standstill to save the 650,000 who die annually of flu or the 27 million who die of starvation...

Wrong done elsewhere is no justification to do wrong here also.

It would be nice though if after this is done and things return to normal, we all extend our humanity towards people in danger of dying from things like extreme poverty, homelessness and addiction. How many COVID 19 social media warriors walk past people sleeping rough on the streets without batting an eyelid. Quite a few I imagine. Hypocrisy is alive.

skyblue46

Chivito550 wrote: »

Wrong done elsewhere is no justification to do wrong here also.

It would be nice though if after this is done and things return to normal, we all extend our humanity towards people in danger of dying from things like extreme poverty, homelessness and addiction. How many COVID 19 social media warriors walk past people sleeping rough on the streets without batting an eyelid. Quite a few I imagine. Hypocrisy is alive.

True...this isn't the thread for it but it does raise questions alright...

BanditLuke

Glencarraig wrote: »

My local park is full of kamikaze kids on scooters/bicycles/skates with parents who are too busy with their head stuck in their phones to notice how much mayhem the brats are causing not just to runners but other park users in general and dont get me started on those who think it's perfectly ok to completely block the paths with 3 abreast prams while they stop to chat to Mary from up the road who they have not seen for at least 24 hours.

Yeap total tools. Just like the runners running in groups taking up the whole footpath.

The thread is about runners not prams etc..

Burkie1203

BanditLuke wrote: »

Yeap total tools. Just like the runners running in groups taking up the whole footpath.

My experience has been groups of women with prams with other kids blocking 5m wide paths recently. I've been out twice since last thursdays with agroup and we have been well able to manage to keep social distancing. Think a lot of it comes down to people being ignorant or "it won't happen to me" attitude