CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) *Read OP*

Beasty

785 cases already in the Republic, 108 in the North (up to 21 March). Alas 4 deaths across the island. Can everyone pay attention to the mod warnings carried over from earlier threads and set out below. In particular please remain civil to each other

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Mod warnings:

Beasty wrote: »

OK, time to step in with some mod instructions:

1. Please interact in a civil manner
2. Do not tell others what to do, or what to post
3. If you have a problem with a post report it and leave the modding to the mods

In terms of thread content:

4. Treat everything you read here with caution. Anything posted is from an anonymous internet poster. You cannot assume anyone has any "specialist" knowledge whatever they claim
5. Statistics are important to some (and I personally pay a lot of attention to them), but they are of very little use to anyone who is already caught up in this, or indeed knows of people who are caught up
6. Terms such as "sinus", "airborne", "aerosol" have little relevance at this time in this jurisdiction. Ultimately though if cases are discovered in Ireland please pay attention to the relevant authorities and what they advise/recommend, and not some randomer(s) on the internet

All the above is me talking as a complete layman on the subject. Like everything in this thread do not treat it as chapter and verse, beyond paying attention to items 1-3 above

Any questions please PM me - do not try and dissect this post in-thread

Beasty wrote: »

Last time it was a "suggestion"/request

Now it's an instruction

Stop all the tit for tat stuff on the stats. None of us are in full possession of the facts and none of us can draw any "definitive" conclusions. Bottom line. It's serious. Not serious in Ireland at this stage, but may become so. Anyone caught up in this is not going to take much solace from any stats however they are complied

Any questions PM me - do not respond to this warning in-thread

Beasty wrote: »

OK

A number of posts have been sanctioned although it could have been many more

Could everyone please re-read the warnings in the OP

Could I also re-emphasise - attack the post, not the poster

I understand people can get very emotional about this sort of thing. Regardless of that there is no reason this cannot be discussed in a civil manner. Yes there are people implying there is little to worry about. Equally there are some doom and gloom merchants in the thread. Despite appearances I actually think most posters are probably somewhere in the middle recognising this is serious, but at this stage not overly so in Ireland

Whatever your own views are please recognise others are entitled to different views., Even if at different extremes please do not try and repeatedly ram your views down the throats of those who have differing views

In due course we may well have a far better understanding of this virus, but at present I do not think anyone can claim anything approaching a full understanding, and as always we need to take information posted by anonymous internet posters with a pinch of salt

Any questions PM me

Beasty wrote: »

I'm opening this one up with a very clear warning. Cut out all this cover-up/conspiracy stuff. If you have a reliable source quote it (not just their words but provide a link to a reliable source) - otherwise your claims carry little if any weight

Beasty wrote: »

A reminder to everyone

It is against site rules to seek or offer any medical advice. Please do not post here about your symptoms asking what to do. Contact your doctor by telephone and they can advise you as appropriate

Beasty wrote: »

A few reminders:

1. Some posters have been less than civil in their posting - particularly in the last few hours. Continue interacting in an uncivil manner and your posting privileges will be removed

2. Until something is reported "officially" treat anything you read here with suspicion. I am not saying posters are deliberately posting misleading or incorrect information, but this site, as well as other social media outlets cannot be considered "verifiable" news outlets. Of course if the likes of the HSE have a verified Twitter account we can assume what they post is accurate. Randomers on here or elsewhere cannot be considered "official" or "reliable" sources

3. I have little doubt there is some kind of lag in reporting "official" updates to numbers as I equally have little doubt there will be procedures to follow before any case becomes formally "confirmed". Hence you may feel you have information that contradicts any "official" information. That's not necessarily the case - it may be that you have access to information before others. Regardless of that do not post it as an actual case here. We can only go by official updates and you can expect others to be sceptical about anything not coming from an official source. That does not make your information wrong, but it needs to be formally verified before you should be claiming anything is "fact"

Beasty wrote: »

I will say this yet again, but from now on not only will your posts be deleted, but you may well get additional sanctions applied

It is against site rules to request or offer any medical advice. If you have symptoms phone your doctor, and do not try and get a diagnosis from some randomer on the internet. Do not ask what medication to take here

Any questions, please PM me

All threadbans carry over, but we will reconsider if anyone wishes to discuss it further via PM

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Beasty

Beasty wrote: »

Here's one I made earlier

Open Sesame.....

Beasty

Here's one I made earlier

Beasty

Quiet in here

FVP3

STB. wrote: »

See all that. Bullshít and a terrible economic argument . The Diamond Princess doesn't record people that were asymptomatic.

Want realtime stats ? Right now in San Donito, Italy 50% of those with COVID-19 who are accepted into intensive care units in Italy are dying, compared with a usual mortality rate of 12% to 16% in such units nationwide. READ - Horrible Real life experiences

well if most on the ship had it but were asymptomatic it makes his argument.

However, the diamond princess also quarantined most people in their cabins, so it's not clear that everybody got it.

FVP3

^ i had that one in the oven.

Shn99

so...13k tests done and 40k waiting. In for some sharp increases next week me thinks

Hobgoblin11

Coronavirus Ireland: Irishman who went to Cheltenham Festival tests positive for COVID-19

walshb

40 k waiting...so 40000 o people pencilled in for testing?

froog

Shn99 wrote: »

so...13k tests done and 40k waiting. In for some sharp increases next week me thinks

the more positives the better from now on. means our testing is catching as much as possible.

CinemaGuy45

Shn99 wrote: »

so...13k tests done and 40k waiting. In for some sharp increases next week me thinks

Does that mean 40 thousand tests waiting to be done or waiting for results.

Strazdas

One thing I've noticed is that NI cases are much lower than Scotland and Wales (especially deaths). This is encouraging : it may suggest that this island is coping a lot better overall than GB.

Shn99

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Does that mean 40 thousand tests waiting to be done or waiting for results.

waiting for tests to be done

stephenjmcd

For anyone that wasn't listening to rte radio 1 a little earlier. Some of the main pieces.

Coveney basically dismissing Paddy Cosgrave.
"Tánaiste Simon Coveney says Govt is actually working with China, contrary to reports saying otherwise, on acquiring equipment, test swabs and other resources."

Gov to announce more packages next week for those now out of work, some sort of salary guarantee appears to be on the table.

https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1241714443391827968?s=19

And finally chief medical officer

https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1241720236807774211?s=19

Now is the time to double down on our efforts so far and make sure we do everything possible to contain this.

Chief medical officer spoke very well again

STB.

FVP3 wrote: »

well if most on the ship had it but were asymptomatic it makes his argument.

However, the diamond princess also quarantined most people in their cabins, so it's not clear that everybody got it.

18% of some 700 infected individuals on Diamond Princess never showed symptoms

Older people tend to fare badly when infected with the new coronavirus, so it is suspected the rate of asymptomatic infections in a general population might be closer to the 31%.

Hence the WHO latest matra. TEST TEST TEST.

Viral shedding ? Happy reading.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00822-x

branie2

I saw mass streamed last night in our local Cathedral online. Great safety against the Coronavirus there

CinemaGuy45

Shn99 wrote: »

waiting for tests to be done

So the official numbers are pretty meaningless it seems.

is_that_so

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Does that mean 40 thousand tests waiting to be done or waiting for results.

Waiting according to Henry. With 15000 tests a day planned that should be whittled down very quickly.

FVP3

STB. wrote: »

18% of some 700 infected individuals on Diamond Princess never showed symptoms

Older people tend to fare badly when infected with the new coronavirus, so it is suspected the rate of asymptomatic infections in a general population might be closer to the 31%.

Hence the WHO latest matra. TEST TEST TEST.

Viral shedding ? Happy reading.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00822-x

yeh, ok, got that. The question is whether we believe that there were only 700 people who were infected ( and we base the death rate on that = 1% or so) or we believe that there were untested people who were asymptomatic on the boat which would mean a lower rate. I don't know either way.

Lord Trollington

Paddy Cosgrave is a monument bellend. Of Epic proportions .

The c*nt thinks Ireland and Dublin should have bent over backwards to accommodate him and his nerd festival .

And now he carries a chip on his shoulder.

Timberrrrrrrr

To the poster who said my source is unreliable.

I am on this site years, never posted rumours about anything. You dont know my friend but as unsaid he is high up.

He usually works for the offshore division inspecting oil/gas rigs in the North sea and would have meetings on a weekly basis with govt ministers. His dept has been decimated at the moment, skeleton staff for offshore rigs due to the need for staff onshore. Even asked me if I knew anyone with a degree 2.1 or above who would be interested in being fast tracked into the HSE such is the need for people.

Atlantic Dawn

Why don't the government commendeer all the hotels in the surrounding area of LE Samuel Beckett to treat those infected, majority are as good as empty...

Hotels...
Gibson Hotel
Spencer Hotel
Marker Hotel
Hilton Garden Inn
Clayton Hotel

Kidchameleon

The amount of virtue signalling going on is nausiating. People need to be careful of course bit they dont need to then tell everyone how careful they are being. Christ, a very low % will come to any harm because of this, chill people.

is_that_so

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Why don't the government commendeer all the hotels in the surrounding area of LE Samuel to treat those infected, majority are as good as empty...

Hotels...
Gibson Hotel
Spencer Hotel
Marker Hotel
Hilton Garden Inn
Clayton Hotel

They have CityWest l believe

CinemaGuy45

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

To the poster who said my source is unreliable.

I am on this site years, never posted rumours about anything. You dont know my friend but as unsaid he is high up.

He usually works for the offshore division inspecting oil/gas rigs in the North sea and would have meetings on a weekly basis with govt ministers. His dept has been decimated at the moment, skeleton staff for offshore rigs due to the need for staff onshore. Even asked me if I knew anyone with a degree 2.1 or above who would be interested in being fast tracked into the HSE such is the need for people.

You said HSE in the UK should that not be the NHS:rolleyes:

Kidchameleon

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Why don't the government commendeer all the hotels in the surrounding area of LE Samuel Beckett to treat those infected, majority are as good as empty...

Hotels...
Gibson Hotel
Spencer Hotel
Marker Hotel
Hilton Garden Inn
Clayton Hotel

How would you feel if they "comandeered" your house?

skallywag

The only positive I see with testing is that it will hopefully raise awareness among those who still have not heard the penny drop.

I firmly believe that the real situation is an order of magnitude or two above the official cases already recorded. If you have symptoms, completely self isolate immediately and contact the health services. If you do a test, and pass it, then that result is anyway going to be pretty meaningless afterwards.

Testing in itself will raise awareness, but it is the way that we all immediately behave, rather than testing, that is going to see us all through this, or not.

Timberrrrrrrr

Kidchameleon wrote: »

The amount of virtue signalling going on is nausiating. People need to be careful of course bit they dont need to then tell everyone how careful they are being. Christ, a very low % will come to any harm because of this, chill people.

Would you say the same if it was a member of your family that was at risk?

branie2

Kidchameleon wrote: »

How would you feel if they "comandeered" your house?

I'd think it would be for the good of the country.

pjohnson

Kidchameleon wrote: »

The amount of virtue signalling going on is nausiating. People need to be careful of course bit they dont need to then tell everyone how careful they are being. Christ, a very low % will come to any harm because of this, chill people.

Wooohooo you #Legend

Dont cut yourself with those edges.

Atlantic Dawn

Kidchameleon wrote: »

How would you feel if they "comandeered" your house?

Not the same thing, nobody lives in either hotel.

CinemaGuy45

Kidchameleon wrote: »

The amount of virtue signalling going on is nausiating. People need to be careful of course bit they dont need to then tell everyone how careful they are being. Christ, a very low % will come to any harm because of this, chill people.

Get a grip SOME of us don't just care for ourselves some of us have family and relatives in the at risk group.

wakka12

All but essential services and business now closed in 75/640 of the districts in India.

Lord Trollington

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Self-interest ahead of altruism with that pompous chancer. Glad the Government publicly put one over him.

Every single opportunity available to them , the government should pull the rug from underneath this lad.

Timberrrrrrrr

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

You said HSE in the UK should that not be the NHS:rolleyes:

No, NHS is over hospitals, HSE is over health & safety.

Mwengwe

stephenjmcd wrote: »

For anyone that wasn't listening to rte radio 1 a little earlier. Some of the main pieces.

Coveney basically dismissing Paddy Cosgrave.
"Tánaiste Simon Coveney says Govt is actually working with China, contrary to reports saying otherwise, on acquiring equipment, test swabs and other resources."

Gov to announce more packages next week for those now out of work, some sort of salary guarantee appears to be on the table.

https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1241714443391827968?s=19

And finally chief medical officer

https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1241720236807774211?s=19

Now is the time to double down on our efforts so far and make sure we do everything possible to contain this.

Chief medical officer spoke very well again

Not so encouraging if you're living with a vulnerable person.

stephenjmcd

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Paddy Cosgrave is a monument bellend. Of Epic proportions .

The c*nt thinks Ireland and Dublin should have bent over backwards to accommodate him and his nerd festival .

And now he carries a chip on his shoulder.

Exactly,
Said this on the previous thread, he wanted the Irish government to plough money into his once a year event and then when they wouldn't put money into a private event he threw the toys out of the pram and has had a chip about it every since.

Varik

In Iran's Persian new year speech the Ayatollah has pushed that it's a US bio-weapon, and China right there to agree that it may be and that the US should somehow show it's not. Can't see why Iran think that this type of propaganda is useful, you raise your enemy to such terrifying heights then I'd think Iranians would be more likely to back down rather than rise up in defiance of the US.

owlbethere

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

Coronavirus Ireland: Irishman who went to Cheltenham Festival tests positive for COVID-19

Were Irish Cheltenham goers asked to self isolate upon their return?

Anybody know

We were saying it last week or the week before that ideally that should be cancelled but that was up to the UK to do that. Irish people going should have reconsidered their plans and the government should have introduced quarantine measures.

.
We would be in a worse shape of the government didn't order the cancelling of the St Patricks day parades. They left it late to cancel them.

There's so much in the history books that could help us with this pandemic. Back in 1918 and the Spanish flu, Philadelphia held a parade which made the problem worse. Here is history repeating itself.

The main spreaders of the Spanish flu were soldiers from world war 1. When the war ended the spread of the flu slowed down because soldiers stopped travelling. Again, history has an answer for us that will help with this. The main spreaders with this Covid-19, are travellers/tourists.

is_that_so

Mwengwe wrote: »

Not so encouraging if you're living with a vulnerable person.

This too shall pass!:)

rossie1977

Info is a week old but when you consider the median age hospitalized is 67 in Italy

CinemaGuy45

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

No, NHS is over hospitals, HSE is over health & safety.

https://www.hse.gov.uk

We learn something new everyday.:)

bekker

A number of posters toward end of last thread were quoting Prof. John P.A. Ioannidis regarding % death rates, which in the overall picture is approaching irrelevance. It's the threat of overwhelmed health systems, and consequent societal impact that governments world wide are imposing massive economic costs on their societies.

Totally agree, with following,
...
The most valuable piece of information for answering those questions would be to know the current prevalence of the infection in a random sample of a population and to repeat this exercise at regular time intervals to estimate the incidence of new infections. Sadly, that’s information we don’t have.
...
One of the bottom lines is that we don’t know how long social distancing measures and lockdowns can be maintained without major consequences to the economy, society, and mental health. Unpredictable evolutions may ensue, including financial crisis, unrest, civil strife, war, and a meltdown of the social fabric. At a minimum, we need unbiased prevalence and incidence data for the evolving infectious load to guide decision-making.
...
Yet if the health system does become overwhelmed, the majority of the extra deaths may not be due to coronavirus but to other common diseases and conditions such as heart attacks, strokes, trauma, bleeding, and the like that are not adequately treated. ...
...
John P.A. Ioanndis (evidence-based medicine, epidemiology, data science and clinical research, concurrent holder of posts at Stanford University)

In my opinion he attaches overmuch reliance for the main trust of his argument lower for a death rate % on the immediate 'Diamond Princess' death rate. He also projects that the age profile to the US population without isolating and applying the self-selection factors in DP population.

However his recurring theme is the need for randomised testing to establish base lines, and the extent, and development of infection within the population.

Which we are not doing and apparently don't plan on doing.

is_that_so

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Exactly,
Said this on the previous thread, he wanted the Irish government to plough money into his once a year event and then when they wouldn't put money into a private event he threw the toys out of the pram and has had a chip about it every since.

That private event would have involved the shutting down of a chunk of the centre of Dublin so people could go out drinking.

Gynoid

is_that_so wrote: »

Waiting according to Henry. With 15000 tests a day planned that should be whittled down very quickly.

How are 15000 tests going to be done a day if 35000 tests arrived this week and 20000 due next week? 15000 x 14 = 210,000

elperello

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

https://www.hse.gov.uk

We learn something new everyday.:)

Only so many 3 letter acronyms to go around

JP Liz V1

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

Coronavirus Ireland: Irishman who went to Cheltenham Festival tests positive for COVID-19

I would say alot of positive cases here will come from travel or contact with travel returnees

Enjoy Mother's Day everyone whether you are with your mam or not or are a mom

CinemaGuy45

elperello wrote: »

Only so many 3 letter acronyms to go around

I am in the AA and it has nothing to do with a twelve step program.

is_that_so

Gynoid wrote: »

How are 15000 tests going to be done a day if 35000 tests arrived this week and 20000 due next week? 15000 x 14 = 210,000

Both Harris and Henry have said this and they seem to be confident it can be done. Fire off a tweet to Fergal Bowers!

Raconteuse

Kidchameleon wrote: »

The amount of virtue signalling going on is nausiating. People need to be careful of course bit they dont need to then tell everyone how careful they are being. Christ, a very low % will come to any harm because of this, chill people.

People who (mis)use that bandwagon phrase virtue signalling must be delighted that they have so many opportunities at the moment to misuse it.

I'd love to see your epidemiological study on this very low population.

JP Liz V1

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

https://www.hse.gov.uk

We learn something new everyday.:)

Are they better than ours