Mental health and CoVid-19

newuser99999

newuser99999 wrote: »

That’s your view

Don’t say people are vilifying the elderly because we don’t have the same view

What's yours?

newuser99999

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What's yours?

That vulnerable people shouldn’t be going out for their shopping unless they had to.

Not going in circles on this. Have a nice afternoon.

newuser99999

newuser99999 wrote: »

That vulnerable people shouldn’t be going out for their shopping unless they had to.

Not going in circles on this. Have a nice afternoon.

You too

0lddog

anewme wrote: »

Those options are available to all.

I'm not amazed at the number of old people out at all.

I tried to keep my Mum in, but found she snuck off to Lidl.

She said she was going stir crazy in the house and if the Covid did not kill her, the isolation and loneliness of staring at 4 walls would. ....

+1

There is nothing to fear but fear itself.

We 'old people' grew up at a time when polio, TB and other incurable illnesses abounded.

Go back another generation and it was a time of many diseases such that one might be well one week and dead the next.

We have seen it before. We know that life always ends with death. We refuse to be cowed by a bunch of here today gone tomorrow politicians

Ellie2008

Deleted User wrote: »

My view is that who ever wants to go shopping or up the mountain or whatever it is that helps them get a bit of relief, then go. If a person who is medically vulnerable decides to go to Tesco at 2pm on a Saturday, what of it.

Because if you are at risk from Covid and you go to a supermarket at a busy time you risk overloading the health service. Mental health matters of course it does, but it’s selfish to take unnecessary risks in the name of mental health. I feel very sorry for older people especially in their last years to have to spend a year in lockdown, it’s not an easy ask. Delayed vaccinations etc don’t help. I think their are people who will dismiss the deaths of older people as so what they’re old & that’s selfish, but it’s equally selfish for older people to take unnecessary risks.

dobman88

So as I previously mentioned.

After sticking rigidly to ebrry guideline since their inception. I cracked recently and on Paddys day it all became too much so I drove from Meath to Wicklow for a hike around Glendalough. Made my own lunch at home, drove there without stopping, hiked and drove home without stopping. I didnt meet one other person while there.

I'm just back from another hike down there because it did wonders for my head the last time. I came to a checkpoint today though and had the usual questions. I explained to the Garda what I was doing and was honest with him about how its affecting me.

He wished me the best and told me to look after myself.

I know it's at the discretion of the Garda you meet but its great to see them taking mental health seriously and taking an honest person at their word.

Your health is your wealth. Look after yourself and make the best decisions for you while staying safe.

is_that_so

Ellie2008 wrote: »

I know people who have contracted Covid who said they never go anywhere else. Plus NPHET flagged them as a risk a few weeks ago.

For employees perhaps but the interactions are very fleeting with customers. Everywhere is a risk for NPHET!

Away With The Fairies

There's something about the smell of spring weather and just wanting to get away.

speckle

This is not the
shopping thread
restrictions thread
general covid thread
travel thread
work thread
mask thread
school thread
etc etc etc

It is for people sharing problems and looking for suggestions and advice with their mental health issues..a safe haven

Divisive or arguementative or snapping posts could just drive somebody away from posting here who is suicidal before they can be pointed to help.

please think before you post..thanks

fin12

anewme wrote: »

Your previous post to me was abusive and the tone to other posters as per the above was not kind either.

My point being, everyone has their own challenges and family situations and no one's situation trumps others.

No one is lucky in this pandemic, that's the whole point of discussing mental health here. Everyone is impacted. It should not be about my situation is worse than his, etc.

Not everyone is impacted by it, there’s a regular poster on here who’s very happy with the lockdown.

Gael23

I’m not sure I can stay in this country if the obsession with variants continues once we have widespread vaccination.
Do I really want to live in a country where you get fined for boarding an airplane?

anewme

fin12 wrote: »

Not everyone is impacted by it, there’s a regular poster on here who’s very happy with the lockdown.

Havent read whole thread, but focus here should be for those who are finding it tough.

A bit of positivity and coping tips , like the lad who went to Glendalough. Have been thinking about that since I read it.

NIMAN

I say if you want to go for a walk on a beach, in the hills, up a mountain or in a park, and it's >5km away, just go for it.

If you are driving there on your own, don't intend to mix with anyone else, then you are doing no harm and it's already been said that catching the virus outdoors in such a situation is a 1 in a million possibility.

If the guards stop you en route, you always have the option of turning back.

Live your life.

Away With The Fairies

Just fück this shït

speckle

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Just fück this shït

I think we all get that feeling here for different reasons ... better to let it out safely than hold it in...Big telephatic hug whoever and wherever you are... maybe take a break from the covid thread and the news etc and visit the games or another forum instead or head outdoors for some fresh air..

NIMAN

Will be interesting to see what relaxation we are getting this coming week?

Be allowed to go to 10km? 20km? Inside county?

I'm going with option B.

lucalux

NIMAN wrote: »

Will be interesting to see what relaxation we are getting this coming week?

Be allowed to go to 10km? 20km? Inside county?

I'm going with option B.

From the 12th April (Monday) we can travel anywhere in our own county

namloc1980

NIMAN wrote: »

Will be interesting to see what relaxation we are getting this coming week?

Be allowed to go to 10km? 20km? Inside county?

I'm going with option B.

It's supposed to be within the county but the actual regulation to give it effect has not been signed or published yet. As it stands it's still 5km.

DessieJames

namloc1980 wrote: »

It's supposed to be within the county but the actual regulation to give it effect has not been signed or published yet. As it stands it's still 5km.

i know of practiocally no one at all adhering to these ridicalous 5km restrictions, in fact most people i know are just getting on with it,over a year of constant scaremongering, empty promises and rhetoric.

NIMAN

NIMAN wrote: »

Will be interesting to see what relaxation we are getting this coming week?

Be allowed to go to 10km? 20km? Inside county?

I'm going with option B.

I thought we were already told its within county boundary, or 20km outside county if you live on a border. I've long given up anyway on all travel restrictions as they are a nonsense and only affect my mental health more

lucalux

It's 5km until the 12th of April. Then within your county, or 20km from your home (which can include another county if you live on a county border.


From Gov.ie:

- "People are required to stay at home except for travel for work, education or other essential purposes, and will be permitted to take exercise within 5km of home. From 12 April, you can travel within your own county or within 20km of your home if crossing county boundaries."
- https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#travel-restrictions

From garda.com:

"Authorities in Ireland plan to ease certain COVID-19-related domestic restrictions from April 12. Under the new measures, the current directive restricting travel by residents to within 5 km (3 miles) of their homes will expanded to allow county-wide travel; travel across county lines will also be permitted up to 20 km (12 miles) from the individual's home. In addition, outdoor social gatherings will be allowed for up to two households.

From Citizens Information:

- Some restrictions will change from 12 April, with further changes expected later in April depending on public health advice.

From 12 April 2021:

Two households can meet outdoors, away from their gardens
You can travel within your county or within 20km of your home


They're running public service annoucements daily in the media, advising of these changes. There is no way they can go back on them two days previous to the change they are actively advertising and informing the public about.

Whether legislation has been signed or not will be an irrelevance, as the Taoiseach himself addressed the nation and said this. The government information bulletins on radio every twenty minutes, and the fact that citizens information (a govt body) Gov.ie (a main portal for official Covid information) and mainstream media groups reporting on and advertising it, mean that it is in effect happening.

No judge would entertain the case of someone being prosecuted on the basis of the legislation being signed, if one such case came up in front of them

So fill up the car, get out the bikes or whatever, and start plotting the furthest points in your county that you can get to I say
No fear of repercussions from now at least.

namloc1980

Regardless the statutory instrument remains 5km and was extended to the 5th of May. It's just another example of a shambles this government is. They told kids shoe shops they could open last week but under the law any shoe shop that opens is open to prosecution. Lazy government couldn't be bothered getting their regulations in order. Useless shower.

hesaidshesaid

namloc1980 wrote: »

Regardless the statutory instrument remains 5km and was extended to the 5th of May. It's just another excusable of a shambles this government is. They told kids shoe shops they could open but under the law any shoe shop that opens is open

5km til May 5th? When was that announced?

dobman88

hesaidshesaid wrote: »

5km til May 5th? When was that announced?

It wasnt announced. It was quietly extended. Gav Reilly is good to follow as political correspondent for the latest govt updates

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1380453564372385793?s=19

fin12

dobman88 wrote: »

It wasnt announced. It was quietly extended. Gav Reilly is good to follow as political correspondent for the latest govt updates

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1380453564372385793?s=19

Sorry there will be no 5 km checkpoints from Monday on , guards won’t be doing it , so they can shove it up their h*le If they haven’t put into law

hesaidshesaid

Thanks for that dobman88.

I think it happened so quietly people won’t realise and will just travel around the county from Monday 12th anyway. If you don’t want people to do something, you have to let them know. Schools are back fully from Monday anyway and I think this will mean a lot more movement including some parents back travelling to work.

namloc1980

hesaidshesaid wrote: »

5km til May 5th? When was that announced?

It wasn't. Donnelly quietly extended it last week with no changes made to the regulation to account for the changes due on the 12th. Shambles.

dobman88

fin12 wrote: »

Sorry there will be no 5 km checkpoints from Monday on , guards won’t be doing it , so they can shove it up their h*le If they haven’t put into law

I've already been going beyond the 5k to go hiking anyway so wont affect me too much. Just means I might be able to travel without coming on a checkpoint if Gards aren't out.

I would like the travel restrictions scrapped so I might get home to see my parents at some stage.

fin12

dobman88 wrote: »

I've already been going beyond the 5k to go hiking anyway so wont affect me too much. Just means I might be able to travel without coming on a checkpoint if Gards aren't out.

I would like the travel restrictions scrapped so I might get home to see my parents at some stage.

Well as far as I’m concerned it’s travel all over your county from Monday and that’s exactly what I’m going to be doing . The guards themselves are sick sh*t of it.

NeuralNetwork

What’s the story with this? Can you travel or can’t you travel within your own county from Monday?

I’m not wallowing or making a political point or anything else, but I’m actually becoming seriously depressed.

dobman88

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

What’s the story with this? Can you travel or can’t you travel within your own county from Monday?

I’m not wallowing or making a political point or anything else, but I’m actually becoming seriously depressed.

That's the thing. Mixed messages again. Who the fcuk knows.

Best advice I'd give is just do what's right for you and keep yourself safe. If that means breaking your 5k for a walk on the beach then off you go.

Lesalare

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

What’s the story with this? Can you travel or can’t you travel within your own county from Monday?

I’m not wallowing or making a political point or anything else, but I’m actually becoming seriously depressed.

From 12 April 2021:

Two households can meet outdoors, away from their gardens
You can travel within your county or within 20km of your home
Construction work can begin again on residential units, schools and childcare facilities

You can travel within your county or within 20km of your home Makes no sense to me.

namloc1980

Lesalare wrote: »

From 12 April 2021:

Two households can meet outdoors, away from their gardens
You can travel within your county or within 20km of your home
Construction work can begin again on residential units, schools and childcare facilities

You can travel within your county or within 20km of your home Makes no sense to me.

We know that. The point is Donnelly actually extended the 5km limit under a statutory instrument earlier in the week until the 5th of May with no mention of the changes due. So by law as it stands the 5km remains in place. Now I'm sure he'll sign a new SI at some stage but it's just another example of the shambles that is this government.

Lesalare

No one is following the 5km rule anyway. I am because I don't drive but zero of anyone I know is.

Just bung some food in a plastic bag in your back seat and if stopped say you are bringing food to a relative who has been on own for past 3 months.

dobman88

Lesalare wrote: »

From 12 April 2021:

Two households can meet outdoors, away from their gardens
You can travel within your county or within 20km of your home
Construction work can begin again on residential units, schools and childcare facilities

You can travel within your county or within 20km of your home Makes no sense to me.

If you live on the border of counties. You can travel within the entirety of the one you live in and can travel 20km into the other ones.

It still hasnt been signed into legislation though and as it stands, the 5km rule is in place until May 5th.

fin12

namloc1980 wrote: »

We know that. The point is Donnelly actually extended the 5km limit under a statutory instrument earlier in the week until the 5th of May with no mention of the changes due. So by law as it stands the 5km remains in place. Now I'm sure he'll sign a new SI at some stage but it's just another example of the shambles that is this government.

That’s all wrong, I know a guard , the 5 km is gone. Stop making this into something it’s not .

namloc1980

fin12 wrote: »

That’s all wrong, I know a guard , the 5 km is gone. Stop making this into something it’s not .

Can you point out the legal instrument/regulation where it says it's gone? I'll wait.

You do know that the government told kids shoe shops that they could open but didn't bother updating the regulations so those shops opening is actually against the law. Same with fully vaccinated people meeting indoors, no changes made to the health regulations so also against the law.

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Anyway I'll wait for you to point out the legal instrument that says the 5km limit is gone.

NeuralNetwork

We seem to be at the stage of government where communication is as good as: “my girlfriend’s sister’s cat’s vet’s hairdresser knows this guard on Facebook and she says it’s grand to have a barbecue, as long as you’re all facing due south and the wind is from the west.”

fin12

namloc1980 wrote: »

Can you point out the legal instrument/regulation where it says it's gone? I'll wait.

You do know that the government told kids shoe shops that they could open but didn't bother updating the regulations so those shops opening is actually against the law. Same with fully vaccinated people meeting indoors, no changes made to the health regulations so also against the law.

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Anyway I'll wait for you to point out the legal instrument that says the 5km limit is gone.

Well if there’s going to be no 5 km checkpoints around the place well then yes u can travel all over . How’s anyone breaking anything ? U seem to be the only one who cares whether it’s written into law or not.

NeuralNetwork

fin12 wrote: »

Well if there’s going to be no 5 km checkpoints around the place well then yes u can travel all over . How’s anyone breaking anything ? U seem to be the only one who cares whether it’s written into law or not.

Until you encounter the one grumpy Garda who hasn’t got the unofficial memo that they’re supposed to ignore the law.

You can’t run stuff this technical, serious, proscriptive and specific with vague & confusing statements.

fin12

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

Until you encounter the one grumpy Garda who hasn’t got the unofficial memo that they’re supposed to ignore the law.

Take this to the restriction thread or somewhere else cause this is a thread about mental health and I don’t think anyone hear needs to be reading that sh*t ur spouting.

namloc1980

fin12 wrote: »

Well if there’s going to be no 5 km checkpoints around the place well then yes u can travel all over . How’s anyone breaking anything ? U seem to be the only one who cares whether it’s written into law or not.

It's no way to run a country where major changes being made to Covid restrictions are not actually set down in the regulations. Your response is essentially "ah shur it's grand". It's not good enough but we sure get the politicians we deserve.

NeuralNetwork

You’re fine I’ll delete my account.

I’m finding the lack of clarity is actually causing me to go into a state of very serious depression. I can’t get up most days and I posted in the wrong thread by accident.

I literally am losing the plot entirely.

I’ve seriously bad insomnia. I have nobody to talk to most of the time and I can’t go out.

So thanks. I will take my s**t post and go back to bed.

foggiestyle

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

What’s the story with this? Can you travel or can’t you travel within your own county from Monday?

I’m not wallowing or making a political point or anything else, but I’m actually becoming seriously depressed.

Feeling it myself the last few days. never been this bad. Bored out of my head have lost interest in going for walks nothing to talk about when you meet the same ones out. its just ****

Lesalare

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

You’re fine I’ll delete my account.

I’m finding the lack of clarity is actually causing me to go into a state of very serious depression. I can’t get up most days and I posted in the wrong thread by accident.

I literally am losing the plot entirely.

I’ve seriously bad insomnia. I have nobody to talk to most of the time and I can’t go out.

So thanks. I will take my s**t post and go back to bed.

Meet your sister. I'm beyond bored. I don't even have any work and haven't for past 6 months. I don't sleep properly due to stress of money and uncertainty.

Every day is like Groundhog Day. No one around. People don't even pick up the phone. It's just endless texts of 'How was your day?!" don't get me wrong, nice to be asked, but you find yourself not wanting to reply for fear of just sounding like a depressed twat.

I'm finding it almost impossible not to crack open a bottle of wine every night just to change up things, that's even become boring as hell now.

I swear my eyesight has deteriorated too as I am constantly looking at a screen to find some distraction.

dobman88

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

You’re fine I’ll delete my account.

I’m finding the lack of clarity is actually causing me to go into a state of very serious depression. I can’t get up most days and I posted in the wrong thread by accident.

I literally am losing the plot entirely.

I’ve seriously bad insomnia. I have nobody to talk to most of the time and I can’t go out.

So thanks. I will take my s**t post and go back to bed.

Dont do that.

You're not the only 1. My sleep is fcuked too. Was usually a 10 or 11pm man. Now its lying awake until 3 or 4am every night. Used to run almost every day but havent gone for a run in weeks now. Lost all motivation for everything.

I get what you mean about lack of clarity and the laws. Try to keep the head up and keep going.

lucalux

Let's all take a deep breath. I know I need to about 776 times a day anyway.

Travel in our own counties from 12th April (Monday) and 20km from your home, if your home lies on a county border, that means you will not be at risk of fines or prosecution if stopped at a checkpoint.

The government, (regardless of having not yet signed in the relevant statutory instruments) are pushing public service announcements/ads on loads of media telling the nation what the story is. Politicians have been talking about it on Current Affairs programming.

>>> They CANNOT backtrack on it now, the horse has bolted, and it would be going against NPHET advice no less. We are guaranteed in being a little freer from Monday.<<< ( and if i am wrong i will eat my hat.. hold me to it)



If they haven't signed the relevant SI, it's because of Easter week and the religious hangover that means we get left without governance for multiple religious holidays. That's something I'd have issue with. Same as not being able to vaccinate on the weekends. The virus doesn't take breaks, and we need a daily leadership.

I am not a fan of politicians in general, but anyone worrying about being stopped at a checkpoint beyond your 5km from Monday - don't.

We are being told what will be happening on the ground. Gardaí will be only too happy not to be policing within counties, and there may be some checkpoints on county borders, but it will be more relaxed in some regards. They're fed up with this all too, and only the most egregious breaches/absolute headmelts looking for an argument seem to be getting fined as far as I can see. All Gardaí have discretion to use, and they do use it.

If anyone is breaking the county rule, as per people who are already giving up on the 5km rule, have your reason for travel/excuse ready to go, and just be as personally responsible as you can be. It's understandable if you are doing a low-risk activity and are aware of personal responsibility in terms of not taking the mick completely.

In terms of mental health in general, it is so trying right now.

To those who are struggling with drinking more, getting fed up of 5km walks, and even the eyesight strain I hear you.

(on the eyesight strain, I was noticing this too, and heard some doctor on the radio recently saying we need to be looking at points in the distance as well as things close up, so even a little meditative rest outside and focusing on the furthest things you can see can be helpful, I know it struck a chord with me)

All I can say is grasp this extra bit of freedom and plan out a few trips for yourselves for the weeks coming. I bet we all have places beyond our 5km and within our county that we thought of in the last few months.
Maybe set up a thread in your county forum here on boards to get suggestions also?
It's well documented that having something to look forward to is helpful.

Anyone really just at your wit's ends with no one to speak to? Try calling the Samaritans on 116123, they're honestly great to just have a chat or a laugh with, or to vent your frustration with everything. It's often the case that you could end up having all that in the one conversation, and this can really ease the pressure.

Stay well everyone, as hard as that can be at times, we will be OK

speckle

Re the sight thing..funny ye mentioned this..I implemented a look into the distance for myself last week.. And I mean physicaly not metaphoricaly...

There is also a 20/20/20 rule ..think it is for every 20 minutes of screen time.. stop and look for 20 seconds at least 20m or is feet away?

GoneHome

foggiestyle wrote: »

Feeling it myself the last few days. never been this bad. Bored out of my head have lost interest in going for walks nothing to talk about when you meet the same ones out. its just ****

I can't really see how people would have this attitude, you have your health, your family, your friends, there's a lot more availability now of days as in Netflix, YouTube, the internet, tv, etc, compared to years ago, and books, my god reading has been my saviour these last 12 months, I've read more books in the last year than I had in my previous 48 years, there is no reason in the world why anyone should be bored with life.

dobman88

GoneHome wrote: »

I can't really see how people would have this attitude, you have your health, your family, your friends, there's a lot more availability now of days as in Netflix, YouTube, the internet, tv, etc, compared to years ago, and books, my god reading has been my saviour these last 12 months, I've read more books in the last year than I had in my previous 48 years, there is no reason in the world why anyone should be bored with life.

I'm very happy to read this and hear that you're doing well. I love to see people doing well. But its not as simple as saying read a book. This situation plays with peoples mental health. I've never had any problems, I was a generally positive person with a life I enjoyed, until the last few months and it's starting to really take its toll.

I think a little more tactful posting might be needed on a thread dedicated to peoples mental health during the pandemic.