CoVid-19 Part VII - 169 cases ROI (2 deaths) 45 in NI (as of 15 March) *Read OP*

Vietnam pretty much stopping all visas. A colleague last night told me we're going to get fired so she's leaving. Don't know if we're actually getting fired but it seems plausible. Lots of talk in general of people leaving since it looks like even if schools open, core Vietnamese subjects will be the focus and foreign teachers won't be in as much demand, though that might be balanced out by there being fewer foreigners.

This is turning into a life-changing event. For people here a year or two, not so bad. For people married / with families, or people who've made this place their home like I have for the last decade, it's a major test. If you have the funds to stick it out, it's ok. But if you don't, then it's back home I guess to countries also going through similar challenges.

I know it's minor compared to people dying and all that, but it is remarkable.

d8491prj5boyvg

Boris Johnson's approach of "herd immunity" is a conscious killing of the old and vulnerable. It is a type of genocide.

bodhrandude

A bit more lighthearted, but a Japanese Porn Company makes 200 movies available for free due to Covid 19 as a incentive to social distancing.

RickDeckard

Weston Acidic Cheese wrote: »

Boris Johnson's approach of "herd immunity" is a conscious killing of the old and vulnerable. It is a type of genocide.

I just don't get the thinking, its carelessness to the point of criminally negligent



Roll that dice Boris....

If they really wanted to make a difference, they'd uncensor it.

It's like the world forgot about Ireland.. Covid-19 moves: Vietnam suspends entry for Schengen, UK arrivals

Syncpolice

I saw a long letter from an employer

If staff are off sick they have to bring in a gp letter saying they don't have the koronavirus

Wouldn't that just be spreading it

Rjd2

Weston Acidic Cheese wrote: »

Boris Johnson's approach of "herd immunity" is a conscious killing of the old and vulnerable. It is a type of genocide.

I'm skeptical but its a more complicated response than a lot online are saying.

https://twitter.com/whippletom/status/1238395606202306561

Their is no simple solution and this is not going away.

Time will tell if the scientists who Boris is deferring to got it right.

RickDeckard

Deleted User wrote: »

If they really wanted to make a difference, they'd uncensor it.

For these bloody goof-bags who think its a holiday, they need to see real ICU cases, in glorious HD on their devices, young people sick too,


RTE adverts of this everywhere on public platforms.



No pulling punches like we have fatally done for decades with road safety.



I'm sorry, worries about mass panic are over now. Cat is out of the bloody bag, maybe one leg left in the bag still.....


Government: Who ever you bloody are at this stage; stand up and be counted now. Petty politics aside, for the greater National good. Come together as IRELAND, full bloody stop.



Actions taken in the next few weeks will define politics for the next 100 years in Ireland. Heroes and Villains made.



Are you listening Political Parties and Inds?

GM228

spookwoman wrote: »

Sorry but this is comical

https://twitter.com/DailyMail/status/1238575573527605248?s=20

They should have funded that wall

Larbre34

I'd rather just have the w@nk and be spared the lecture.

robinph

jarvis wrote: »

This is a wind up surely????
Went for an NCT and explained you’re self isolating? No you’re not.
You may as well have gone there and explained your a giraffe.
If you are supposed to be self isolating then you’re a fool but I suspect you’re just trolling to see who’ll bite and I have but being a troll or an irresponsible a5shole are your best choices.

I suspect that self isolating is the wrong term.

People who are ill stay home and have no contact with anyone outside. = self isolating

People at higher risk of serious outcomes take more extreme measures to attempt to avoid catching it in the first place. Think that's what we have here, and is probably what everyone should be doing anyway whilst still getting on with their lives.

igCorcaigh

RickDeckard wrote: »

funny but not funny but scary but funny, but you gotta laugh man.



tbh, Im deffo in a bit of shock, maybe PTSD possibly I think, I do not know, deffo on edge, a lot of hours here, was not drinking for two years, having a Guinness here (Can).

But to be honest the hours here could be lifesaving.


And I guess for all of us who have really clocked whats happening , we all roughly are in the same headspace???



We are all a bit stressed and scared so none of us are alone really.



Use your common sense...

It is scary. I'm just worried about my parents, my dad is 77 and still a social animal, good on him.

I just can't see him rest inside for months.
If I meet with him this weekend, could it be the last for some months?

So many tricky decisions, we all have to make.

bmcc10

BLIZZARD7 wrote: »

This^ we are living through the biggest human history event since WWII. I didn't think I would see something like this for another few years - I thought we would have to wait for an AI related problem in the late 2020's at the earliest.

I have this nagging feeling that this is the trigger moment for a string of era defining events but hope it's just that... a feeling

This definitely feels like a movie and there are definitely a few scary scenes to come before it gets any better.

Hopefully a vaccine comes along earlier than expected and we can look back on this like a bad dream in a few months...

Give your head a wobble. Its not armageddon here.

Larbre34

If you observe your hygiene regime theres no reason you shouldn't visit your parents, maybe have a cup of tea at the back door and keep the 2m gap.

My own mother is 76 with a lot of cancer treatment behind her and her view of it is that there are fates worse than death, and by that she means lonliness, isolation, boredom, frustration, anxiety. The way she put it was, 'I'll take the precautions, I'm not going looking for it, but if I get it and die its not the end of the World, I've had a great life and I'd rather be gone than confined to the house for untold months'

While I protest her approach somewhat, its hard to argue with the basic logic.

ceadaoin.

Mass layoffs of casino and hospitality workers are happening already here in Vegas. Several workers at MGM properties have tested positive and nightclubs and restaurants are to close. Aside from the virus itself, the knock on effects of this will be devastating for so many people. At least the person earlier who works in a pub can go on the dole if he loses his job. No such security here.

https://www.8newsnow.com/coronavirus/mgm-resorts-letter-says-several-employees-test-presumptive-positive-for-covid-19-addresses-layoffs/

otnomart

"Four new genomes from Ireland were shared by National Virus Reference Laboratory, UCD and show multiple introductions, but primarily from the emerging European clade"

The map shows spread with origin China via Netherlands and via UK




https://twitter.com/nextstrain/status/1238597954593644545

robinph

Rjd2 wrote: »

I'm skeptical but its a more complicated response than a lot online are saying.

https://twitter.com/whippletom/status/1238395606202306561

Their is no simple solution and this is not going away.

Time will tell if the scientists who Boris is deferring to got it right.

I believe the thinking is that shutting things down now would just delay the peak by a month or so. Having a shutdown works at stopping the spread, but only temporarily, so make use of the shutdown at the point where it will have a bigger impact.

If you are going to have X people need treatment and do nothing then they turn up in a peak in a month's time. If you shut things down now then you still have them all turn up, but in two months time.
The UK idea is to let things build until say 3rd of the peak is reached, then shut down, that then slows the new infections for a month, you treat those existing cases, then by the time the shutdown collapses and the rest get infected you are still able to then deal with those cases.

Both methods still results in the same number of people being infected, the UK is just aiming to spread the load.

RickDeckard

spookwoman wrote: »

Sorry but this is comical

https://twitter.com/DailyMail/status/1238575573527605248?s=20

Im just lost for words now....

ChikiChiki

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So are we heading for an Italy style scenario still? Sam McConkey who shook alot of people up with his 80,000 to 120,000 deaths scenario a while back seems quite supportive of what the gov is doing currently.

That relies on people being disciplined.

The pubs had crowds in last night.

Hamsterchops

Weston Acidic Cheese wrote: »

Boris Johnson's approach of "herd immunity" is a conscious killing of the old and vulnerable. It is a type of genocide.

Yeah, but it's one way of getting rid of certain older members of the shadow cabinet without taking the blame

Seriously though, Boris is only acting upon the strong advice given to him by his top medical advisors including & especially the chief medical advisor 'Sir Patrick Vallance', who said this ......

Sir Patrick Vallance, England’s chief scientific adviser, has defended the government’s approach to tackling the coronavirus, saying it could have the benefit of creating “herd immunity” across the population.

Critics including the former health secretary Jeremy Hunt have expressed concern about the decision to delay more drastic measures, such as school closures.

However, Vallance said the government’s approach was aimed at broadening the peak of the epidemic, and allowing immunity to build up among the population.

"What we don’t want is everybody to end up getting it in a short period of time so we swamp and overwhelm NHS services – that’s the flattening of the peak,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.

Interesting when compared to Leo's advice which didn't factor in or mention 'herd immunity'. I wouldn't dare say which advice is right, and maybe they both are? Different approaches, different scenarios, different sized populations....

A teacher friend of mine across the water is content (for the moment) that the schools are open, not least because to the Vallance' logic mentioned above. When we discussed the Irish approach he understood, but thought it good "that Europe didn't have all its eggs in one basket" in its approach to fighting the virus.

Rjd2

robinph wrote: »

I believe the thinking is that shutting things down now would just delay the peak by a month or so. Having a shutdown works at stopping the spread, but only temporarily, so make use of the shutdown at the point where it will have a bigger impact.

If you are going to have X people need treatment and do nothing then they turn up in a peak in a month's time. If you shut things down now then you still have them all turn up, but in two months time.
The UK idea is to let things build until say 3rd of the peak is reached, then shut down, that then slows the new infections for a month, you treat those existing cases, then by the time the shutdown collapses and the rest get infected you are still able to then deal with those cases.

Both methods still results in the same number of people being infected, the UK is just aiming to spread the load.

Agreed.

The Johnson approach is not that of a populist, its way to intricate for him.


https://twitter.com/iandonald_psych/status/1238518371651649538

I linked that thread earlier, thought it was informative. He is a professor at Liverpool Uni,,loathes Boris, but he does try to break it down and answer some of the understandable criticism.

Again like many he doesn't know if it works, but this is Boris listening to experts for once.

In a perfect world next time Boris and the medical experts face questions from the media, it needs to be from the more medically clued up type journos or ideally those in these fields. That might reassure some.

RickDeckard

igCorcaigh wrote: »

It is scary. I'm just worried about my parents, my dad is 77 and still a social animal, good on him.

I just can't see him rest inside for months.
If I meet with him this weekend, could it be the last for some months?

So many tricky decisions, we all have to make.

I am not telling you what t do, but if you have no other obligations, if single, defiantly move close with them again, look after them, they look after you also. Dont care how young/old you are or rich/poor, survive together now

Edit, ignore me also, we all could be sick and spreading like.

Graces7

branie2 wrote: »

All masses are cancelled until the 29th

Radio TV or live Webcam online from a huge variety of churches and cathedrals. I access via Killarney Cathedral, my favourite for Mass etc,

RickDeckard

bmcc10 wrote: »

Give your head a wobble. Its not armageddon here.

Not this week anyway...

pc7

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Mass layoffs of casino and hospitality workers are happening already here in Vegas. Several workers at MGM properties have tested positive and nightclubs and restaurants are to close. Aside from the virus itself, the knock on effects of this will be devastating for so many people. At least the person earlier who works in a pub can go on the dole if he loses his job. No such security here.

https://www.8newsnow.com/coronavirus/mgm-resorts-letter-says-several-employees-test-presumptive-positive-for-covid-19-addresses-layoffs/

I’d say Vegas must be rampant with the amount of tourists it’s had the last few weeks. Mind yourself.

voluntary

robinph wrote: »

I believe the thinking is that shutting things down now would just delay the peak by a month or so. Having a shutdown works at stopping the spread, but only temporarily, so make use of the shutdown at the point where it will have a bigger impact.

If you are going to have X people need treatment and do nothing then they turn up in a peak in a month's time. If you shut things down now then you still have them all turn up, but in two months time.
The UK idea is to let things build until say 3rd of the peak is reached, then shut down, that then slows the new infections for a month, you treat those existing cases, then by the time the shutdown collapses and the rest get infected you are still able to then deal with those cases.

Both methods still results in the same number of people being infected, the UK is just aiming to spread the load.

Yes, they say so and they say this is based on their 'scientific advice'. There are so many other 'scientific advices' though as different approaches various countries take are also based on 'scientific advices'.

This is not a simple mathematical problem, there are millions of variables, unknowns and mad assumptions in the equation. Change variables slightly, change human behavior, change the formula you use, change anything basically and you get different results.

Let me post this again:

Why did the Plague spare Poland?
https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/bubonic-plague-spares-poland

One main reason why Poland escaped relatively unscathed, was the decision by Poland's king, Casimir the Great, to close the country's borders – and set up internal quarantines.

This increased Poland's natural isolation, both from the outside world and between the settlements within the country – generally smaller and less connected than elsewhere in Europe. Prague to Krakow took eight days on horseback. People infected took between 24 to 72 hours to get sick. So the issue would 'resolve' itself well before the danger reached the Polish border.

Isolation plus quarantine certainly helped spare Poland from the worst of the epidemic. One more spurious explanation is that Poland had more cats than other parts of Europe, and thus less disease-carrying rats…

Milan's significantly lower mortality rate may also be down to the city's stricter quarantine measures: The houses of infected families were simply bricked up (with the infected left to die inside).

Like Poland, the French-Spanish area, corresponding to the then-kingdom of Navarre, may have benefited from its relative isolation. Why the area around Bruges – then a thriving port with connections to the Mediterranean – might have been spared, is more of a mystery.

So, what's the lesson, if any? Isolation definitely helps against infectious diseases.

Reckless Abandonment

robinph wrote: »

I believe the thinking is that shutting things down now would just delay the peak by a month or so. Having a shutdown works at stopping the spread, but only temporarily, so make use of the shutdown at the point where it will have a bigger impact.

If you are going to have X people need treatment and do nothing then they turn up in a peak in a month's time. If you shut things down now then you still have them all turn up, but in two months time.
The UK idea is to let things build until say 3rd of the peak is reached, then shut down, that then slows the new infections for a month, you treat those existing cases, then by the time the shutdown collapses and the rest get infected you are still able to then deal with those cases.

Both methods still results in the same number of people being infected, the UK is just aiming to spread the load.

I'm not getting this. Surely reducing spread now will in turn reduce the hight of the peak?

What's happening now is those who are lucky enough to be able to work from home and isolate themselves will most likely avoid the virus, while those who cant and those muppets who still dont get it and are still going out and interacting will fall victim.

At this point they are saying some interaction is ok, crowds of less than 100. This is because they want those people to catch the virus, in small amounts of crowds so that it can be managed. It's not because it is safe to gather in crowds up to 100.

Graces7

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Lowest trolley waiting numbers in years.

Just shows Irish people go to a hospital with a cold looking to be minded.

Morons

One small point. Need to see what percentage go to A and E are told to go by their GPs. That happened a couple of times for me; called the GP and was told to go to A and E without the GP seeing me