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Covid-19; Impact on the aviation industry

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    #2702
    Van.Bosch
    Registered Users Posts: 2,849 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    Tenger wrote: »
    At this point I feel pre-departure testing and/or testing on arrivals is the only way to de-stigmatise air travel.

    Saw a great offer in a travel agent for December. 3 night accommodation.
    Problem is that minimum quarantine for Iceland is 5-6 days with 2 tests.

    Hence why it’s a great deal!

    I wonder if the Christmas travel boom will happen this year


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    #2703
    Avoation1091
    Closed Accounts Posts: 104 ✭✭Avoation1091


    Van.Bosch wrote: »
    Hence why it’s a great deal!

    I wonder if the Christmas travel boom will happen this year

    Xmas Travel would depend on restrictions. I would hope it would happen but doubt it. I thought the Ski 20/21 season would be normalish but thinking it wont now.


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    #2704
    Van.Bosch
    Registered Users Posts: 2,849 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    Avoation1091 wrote: »
    Xmas Travel would depend on restrictions. I would hope it would happen but doubt it. I thought the Ski 20/21 season would be normalish but thinking it wont now.

    I’d say 2021 will struggle to be normal


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    #2705
    Inquitus
    Registered Users Posts: 13,734 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    If we sign up to the EU scheme on Monday as has been mooted, we won't be flying anywhere in Europe without paying for expensive pre-departure certified PCR tests, as we are a currently a red country under the EU definitions. If these lockdown measures don't fix things, and we subsequently have to go to 4 and perhaps 5, it will probably kybosh any EU travel until the New Year......here's to hoping level 3 works and gets this bloody thing under some semblance of control again!

    Also no signs of the Trump easing his presidential order denying all of the EU27 entry.


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    #2706
    Avoation1091
    Closed Accounts Posts: 104 ✭✭Avoation1091


    Van.Bosch wrote: »
    I’d say 2021 will struggle to be normal

    Definitely for the first 6 months. Summer 2021 may see some normality return.


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    #2707
    Van.Bosch
    Registered Users Posts: 2,849 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    Avoation1091 wrote: »
    Definitely for the first 6 months. Summer 2021 may see some normality return.

    Yes - I meant Summer 2021 sorry. I think people will be reluctant to book until quiet close in.


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    #2708
    Avoation1091
    Closed Accounts Posts: 104 ✭✭Avoation1091


    Van.Bosch wrote: »
    Yes - I meant Summer 2021 sorry. I think people will be reluctant to book until quiet close in.

    No problem- agree on the bookings. A lot of late bookings/last minite deals id say.


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    #2709
    Blut2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Tenger wrote: »
    At this point I feel pre-departure testing and/or testing on arrivals is the only way to de-stigmatise air travel.

    Saw a great offer in a travel agent for December. 3 night accommodation.
    Problem is that minimum quarantine for Iceland is 5-6 days with 2 tests.

    Antibody passports are also a solution as more and more of the population has had corona.

    Get an approved antibody test that shows you've already had corona, be pre-approved for travel for 6 months. Or something similar. It'd be a lot cheaper (and easier) than requiring PCR tests for every flight.


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    #2710
    Locker10a
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    Blut2 wrote: »
    Antibody passports are also a solution as more and more of the population has had corona.

    Get an approved antibody test that shows you've already had corona, be pre-approved for travel for 6 months. Or something similar. It'd be a lot cheaper (and easier) than requiring PCR tests for every flight.

    I think immunity only lasts 3 months, so would hardly be worth it


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    #2711
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,820 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Locker10a wrote: »
    I think immunity only lasts 3 months, so would hardly be worth it
    No time limit has been put on immunity. It could last 3 months, it could last 2 years, it could be permanent. They don't know yet.


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    #2712
    Inquitus
    Registered Users Posts: 13,734 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    No time limit has been put on immunity. It could last 3 months, it could last 2 years, it could be permanent. They don't know yet.

    Which is a great argument against immunity passports. The closest confirmed re-infection is only around 2 months from the original infection. That could well be an outlier mind.


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    #2713
    Blut2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Inquitus wrote: »
    Which is a great argument against immunity passports. The closest confirmed re-infection is only around 2 months from the original infection. That could well be an outlier mind.

    The number of confirmed reinfections has been vanishingly small compared to the number of confirmed cases. You're right in that we don't know for sure how long immunity lasts yet - but we know for 99.9% of people its more than a few months. The best medical guesses are about a year currently.

    So obviously an antibody passport wouldn't be permanent. But something like 6 months would be fairly safe. But even 3 months would be useful too - one antibody test every 3 months is still a hell of a lot easier for frequent flyers (and for a country's medical/testing infrastructure) than having to get a new PCR test once a week (or more often).


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    #2714
    Inquitus
    Registered Users Posts: 13,734 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Blut2 wrote: »
    The number of confirmed reinfections has been vanishingly small compared to the number of confirmed cases. You're right in that we don't know for sure how long immunity lasts yet - but we know for 99.9% of people its more than a few months. The best medical guesses are about a year currently.

    So obviously an antibody passport wouldn't be permanent. But something like 6 months would be fairly safe. But even 3 months would be useful too - one antibody test every 3 months is still a hell of a lot easier for frequent flyers (and for a country's medical/testing infrastructure) than having to get a new PCR test once a week (or more often).

    There's a good article on it here. The fact the number of confirmed re-infections is soo low is a lot to do with the difficulty in identifying them. I do agree that 3 months on current evidence seems like a reasonable time to grant for an antibody test for flying, only issue is if you were asymptomatic you might not know when you were infected which would make things troublesome.....

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/06/flurry-of-coronavirus-reinfections-leaves-scientists-puzzled


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    #2715
    Blut2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Inquitus wrote: »
    There's a good article on it here. The fact the number of confirmed re-infections is soo low is a lot to do with the difficulty in identifying them. I do agree that 3 months on current evidence seems like a reasonable time to grant for an antibody test for flying, only issue is if you were asymptomatic you might not know when you were infected which would make things troublesome.....

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/06/flurry-of-coronavirus-reinfections-leaves-scientists-puzzled

    Even quoting from that article:
    only two dozen or so reinfections have been confirmed worldwide in a pandemic that has infected more than 30 million people.

    Two dozen out of 30 million isn't remotely statistically significant. People worrying about being reinfected are really just looking for things to worry about - they have as much chance of winning the lottery.


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    #2716
    dohouch
    Registered Users Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭dohouch


    Most of our vaccines, don't give " Sterilising immunity" meaning you will get infected, BUT because your immune system has been "trained" the pathogen won't spread.

    So reinfection is not the real issue, that's normal enough. The issue is -- HOW SICK do you get 2nd time around. ( Or how much purchase the pathogen can get when encountered 2nd time around)
    IMPORTANT is will you be infectious 2nd time around, after already having seen off a proven Covid infection.

    We're not suffering, only complaining 😞



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    #2717
    AMKC
    Registered Users Posts: 15,576 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
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    Surprised no one in here has said how sad it was to see BA's last two 747s take to the sky. It's such a pity they did not get to do the synchronised take off but still sad. I only ever got to fly on one once and would have loved to fly on one again now because of Covid that might never be possible.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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    #2718
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,725 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    AMKC wrote: »
    Surprised no one in here has said how sad it was to see BA's last two 747s take to the sky. It's such a pity they did not get to do the synchronised take off but still sad. I only ever got to fly on one once and would have loved to fly on one again now because of Covid that might never be possible.

    Posts about the farewell to the Jumbo in flightradar24 thread


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    #2719
    Dublinflyer
    Registered Users Posts: 594 ✭✭✭Dublinflyer


    Aer Lingus are pushing trips across to the US today with a flash sale. Out of curiosity I priced a flight out to JFK in late March, out Thursday back Tuesday, and it came back in just under €200. They are giving all sorts of assurances about no change fees and cash refunds. It's a bold move considering the US is still closed but I guess they want to get people flying again with cheap flights.


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    #2720
    Calina
    Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Calina


    I paid 60 for Brussels Dublin return st Christmas. I have no idea whether it will be viable for me to travel thenbut...the planes have to be empty at those prices.v


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    #2721
    circular flexing
    Registered Users Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭circular flexing


    Dublinflyer wrote: »
    Aer Lingus are pushing trips across to the US today with a flash sale. Out of curiosity I priced a flight out to JFK in late March, out Thursday back Tuesday, and it came back in just under €200. They are giving all sorts of assurances about no change fees and cash refunds. It's a bold move considering the US is still closed but I guess they want to get people flying again with cheap flights.


    It helps their cash flow if they sell the seat now but don't have to refund until 6+ months later. They are only operating 3 flights to US per day now (JFK,BOS,ORD) and those will likely keep running no matter what the loads are (imo).


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    #2722
    kona
    Registered Users Posts: 7,525 ✭✭✭kona


    Dublinflyer wrote: »
    Aer Lingus are pushing trips across to the US today with a flash sale. Out of curiosity I priced a flight out to JFK in late March, out Thursday back Tuesday, and it came back in just under €200. They are giving all sorts of assurances about no change fees and cash refunds. It's a bold move considering the US is still closed but I guess they want to get people flying again with cheap flights.

    Id personally avoid that like the plague, :pac:


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    #2723
    lintdrummer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭lintdrummer


    On the flipside, I was in Boston a couple of weeks ago and was surprised at how much more compliance there is over there. You'd be the odd one out not wearing a mask outside on the street. Even the homeless begging were wearing masks.


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    #2724
    Jack1985
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Jack1985


    lintdrummer wrote: »
    On the flipside, I was in Boston a couple of weeks ago and was surprised at how much more compliance there is over there. You'd be the odd one out not wearing a mask outside on the street. Even the homeless begging were wearing masks.

    Crazy isn't it when comparing with walking streets in our cities at home - Similar in NY/Chicago, Democratic leaning cities too should be pointed out.


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    #2725
    ProfessorPlum
    Registered Users Posts: 1,802 ✭✭✭ProfessorPlum


    Jack1985 wrote: »
    Crazy isn't it when comparing with walking streets in our cities at home - Similar in NY/Chicago, Democratic leaning cities too should be pointed out.

    It’s mandatory to wear face masks outdoors in NY/Chicago (presumably BOS too - haven’t been there recently so haven’t checked), it’s not in Ireland, so that probably accounts for it. It’s not a matter of non compliance at home - the directive doesn’t exist!


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    #2726
    kona
    Registered Users Posts: 7,525 ✭✭✭kona


    Jack1985 wrote: »
    Crazy isn't it when comparing with walking streets in our cities at home - Similar in NY/Chicago, Democratic leaning cities too should be pointed out.

    Would ya stop, ya dont need to bring that ****e into what people deem to be having some cop on.


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    #2727
    Jack1985
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Jack1985


    kona wrote: »
    Would ya stop, ya dont need to bring that ****e into what people deem to be having some cop on.

    Calm down. It's fact.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/poll-mask-wearing-divisions-remain-even-coronavirus-cases-spike-n1235028


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    #2728
    RocketRaccoon
    Registered Users Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    7 Ryanair routes cancelled out of SNN starting from next week.


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    #2729
    [Deleted User]
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    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    7 Ryanair routes cancelled out of SNN starting from next week.
    Source please...not that I don't believe you.


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    #2730
    kona
    Registered Users Posts: 7,525 ✭✭✭kona


    Jack1985 wrote: »
    Calm down. It's fact.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/poll-mask-wearing-divisions-remain-even-coronavirus-cases-spike-n1235028

    Being black, white, purple , blue, democrat, republican, gay, a tree has absolutely nothing got to do with wearing masks.

    people who do not wear masks in public are just ignorant muppets and they exist across every demographic.

    I dont see why everything that happens in America gets reduced into these brackets, its absolutely rediculous and just fuels the constant division over there.


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    #2731
    SNNUS
    Registered Users Posts: 745 ✭✭✭SNNUS


    kona wrote: »
    Being black, white, purple , blue, democrat, republican, gay, a tree has absolutely nothing got to do with wearing masks.

    people who do not wear masks in public are just ignorant muppets and they exist across every demographic.

    I dont see why everything that happens in America gets reduced into these brackets, its absolutely rediculous and just fuels the constant division over there.

    Can we stick to Aviation, Masks is a different thread. Thanks.


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