How do FG/FF stop SF at the next election?

Granny15

I see sheep wrote: »

A lot of people don't want loads of houses to be built.
They think it will bring down the price of theirs.
The selfish bastards who don't care about society, only themselves
(FG voters)

It sickens my whole seeing them thinking they have a place here in Ireland.

LeinsterDub

tayto lover wrote: »

I don’t have numbers but I think it’s substantial enough and it’s wrong to expect workers to pay for lazy people. No problem with sick, disabled etc not working but fit people sponging is not just right.

Every system is abused, you only have 2 options have no system at all or have the system, accept it will be abused while trying to limit that abuse.

In 2013 their was about 13k over the age 35 in the category never worked which is 0.65% of the potential workforce ! Also given the state of our mental health and health services you could easily lower that figure with proper diagnose

This should be interesting , what's your opinion on taxing the rich more, say those on 100k or more and those with sizeable wealth?

RandomViewer

Bethany Millions Mirror wrote: »

How many people has DOB murdered?

Now there's a question?

James Brown

RandomViewer wrote: »

Now there's a question?

I've no issue with DOB at all. He's not a public representative. He can turn his hand to anything fair f***s. Cell phones, print/broadcast Media, water meters, broadband...give that man more questionable state contracts requiring investigation I say!

tayto lover

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Every system is abused, you only have 2 options have no system at all or have the system, accept it will be abused while trying to limit that abuse.

In 2013 their was about 13k over the age 35 in the category never worked which is 0.65% of the potential workforce !

This should be interesting , what's your opinion on taxing the rich more, say those on 100k or more and those with sizeable wealth?

If there are only 100k of people who refuse to work and who have never worked a day in their lives then it’s too much.

Raising taxes on people who earn 140k is very foolish. I’m far from that bracket myself but I can see the dangers. Take a surgeon for example, he can earn much more abroad and what would be the point in him staying if he has to pay even more tax. Then we’d have to take in foreign surgeons who might not have good training, can’t communicate with us clearly and might make mistakes. I certainly would prefer the former operating in me.

Again the jibe at the end I see. You’re opinion should be interesting.

RandomViewer

tayto lover wrote: »

I propose working for your dole. Entirely different.
You have a choice. Slavery doesn’t give you a choice.

PRSI covers dole, that's why you pay it. Less time thinking about what others have and enjoy what you have would be the best advice.

tayto lover

RandomViewer wrote: »

PRSI covers dole, that's why you pay it. Less time thinking about what others have and enjoy what you have would be the best advice.

It’s still a tax going to keep a sponger.

James Brown

tayto lover wrote: »

It’s still a tax going to keep a sponger.

We can say the same about TD's salaries and those who don't turn up getting others to vote and the like. False expense claims etc.
It's a good and legitimate moan but we can't do away with government either.

RandomViewer

tayto lover wrote: »

If there are only 100k of people who refuse to work and who have never worked a day in their lives then it’s too much.

Raising taxes on people who earn 140k is very foolish. I’m far from that bracket myself but I can see the dangers. Take a surgeon for example, he can earn much more abroad and what would be the point in him staying if he has to pay even more tax. Then we’d have to take in foreign surgeons who might not have good training, can’t communicate with us clearly and might make mistakes. I certainly would prefer the former operating in me.

Again the jibe at the end I see. You’re opinion should be interesting.

Figure no where near that and is someone else mentioned a lot of long term unemployed would likely be on illness benefit if they got a diagnoses, Almost every country is considering a wealth tax for very high earners ,the raising of the lower rate to 50 k and the next band on the next 100 k and ever thing else after that with a 2-3% levy is a sensible proposal.

tayto lover

Bowie wrote: »

We can say the same about TD's salaries and those who don't turn up getting others to vote and the like. False expense claims etc.
It's a good and legitimate moan but we can't do away with government either.

I have very little time for politicians or any party. We don’t need as many either.
However I was addressing people who refuse to work at all.

LeinsterDub

tayto lover wrote: »

If there are only 100k of people who refuse to work and who have never worked a day in their lives then it’s too much.

Raising taxes on people who earn 140k is very foolish. I’m far from that bracket myself but I can see the dangers. Take a surgeon for example, he can earn much more abroad and what would be the point in him staying if he has to pay even more tax. Then we’d have to take in foreign surgeons who might not have good training, can’t communicate with us clearly and might make mistakes. I certainly would prefer the former operating in me.

Again the jibe at the end I see. You’re opinion should be interesting.

It's 13K. I'm sure most surgeons would rather a functional health service rather than a few extra quid in their pockets

tayto lover

RandomViewer wrote: »

Figure no where near that and is someone else mentioned a lot of long term unemployed would likely be on illness benefit if they got a diagnoses, Almost every country is considering a wealth tax for very high earners ,the raising of the lower rate to 50 k and the next band on the next 100 k and ever thing else after that with a 2-3% levy is a sensible proposal.

No it’s not.
It will chase out the people we need and some of the high tech industries we need. Why would they stay if they’re taxed far less abroad?

tayto lover

LeinsterDub wrote: »

It's 13K. I'm sure most surgeons would rather a functional health service rather than a few extra quid in their pockets

Have you a link to the 13k? Still too many.

Tax the higher earners more and watch them leave.
It’s a very dangerous test which I feel will backfire.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

tayto lover wrote: »

No it’s not.
It will chase out the people we need and some of the high tech industries we need. Why would they stay if they’re taxed far less abroad?

People take a lot of decisions into accoutn when choosing to live, not just tax and income. Fmaily, agreeable lifestyle, employment conditions, for example.

The idea that they would automatically move abroad is fallacy.

LeinsterDub

tayto lover wrote: »

Have you a link to the 13k? Still too many.

Tax the higher earners more and watch them leave.
It’s a very dangerous test which I feel will backfire.

How many would be not too many? I do love those who want to make the poor life's miserable but someone on 140k beyond reproach and are all going to leave the country at the drop of a hat

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/one-in-seven-people-on-the-dole-has-never-worked-a-single-day-29278033.html

tayto lover

LeinsterDub wrote: »

How many would be not too many? I do love those who want to make the poor life's miserable but someone on 140k beyond reproach and are all going to leave the country at the drop of a hat

Where’s your link to the 13k?

If it’s the one you posted above from 7 years ago then you obviously didn’t read it.

LeinsterDub

tayto lover wrote: »

Where’s your link to the 13k?

If it’s the one you posted above from 7 years ago then you obviously didn’t read it.

I did 13k of the over 35's. I didn't think it far too count those in their 20's in the middle of a recession

tayto lover

LeinsterDub wrote: »

I did 13k of the over 35's. I didn't think it far too count those in their 20's in the middle of a recession

Haha it’s a lot more than that. Imagine there’s nearly 3k of people between 60 and 65 years old who never paid prsi too. Went through their entire lives without a day’s work.

Thanks for the link.����

LeinsterDub

tayto lover wrote: »

Haha it’s a lot more than that. Imagine there’s nearly 3k of people between 60 and 65 years old who never paid prsi too. Went through their entire lives without a day’s work.

Thanks for the link.����

Sure i'll let you have 20k. That's still 80k short of your imagined 100k and still less that 1% of the potential workforce

tayto lover

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Sure i'll let you have 20k. That's still 80k short of your imagined 100k and still less that 1% of the potential workforce

Ah even if it’s only 20k who refuse to get out of bed until the pub and bookies open then it’s far too many. Half their dole and give it to the underpaid worker.

satguy

Bethany Millions Mirror wrote: »

How many people has DOB murdered?

His refusal to pay and tax on his earnings has surely closed many a hospital bed,, so numbers might be hard to work out.

Feisar

Increase literacy and computational skills and then send the SF manifesto to every house.

They don't call it Shinnernomics for nothing!

James Brown

Feisar wrote: »

Increase literacy and computational skills and then send the SF manifesto to every house.

They don't call it Shinnernomics for nothing!

No they don't. They call it that to deflect from their own ineptitude.

LeinsterDub

tayto lover wrote: »

Ah even if it’s only 20k who refuse to get out of bed until the pub and bookies open then it’s far too many. Half their dole and give it to the underpaid worker.

A much more reasonable proposal than your previous one. I would add in a mental health and physical check before doing so

is_that_so

satguy wrote: »

His refusal to pay and tax on his earnings has surely closed many a hospital bed,, so numbers might be hard to work out.

He's non-resident and has been for a long time, which means he pays none anyway. What's with posters shouting DOB every few posts as evidence of something?

satguy

is_that_so wrote: »

He's non-resident and has been for a long time, which means he pays none anyway. What's with posters shouting DOB every few posts as evidence of something?

I posted this earlier,, but here it is again. This is how non-resident that man is.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/denis-o-brien-saves-63m-in-tax-stratagem-1.343993

is_that_so

satguy wrote: »

I posted this earlier,, but here it is again. This is how non-resident that man is.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/denis-o-brien-saves-63m-in-tax-stratagem-1.343993

Yeah, but he follows the tax rules, which he can hardly be blamed for creating, and that was CGT not income tax. That link is also from 20 years ago and he's been resident on Malta since 2006.

ThunbergsAreGo

satguy wrote: »

I posted this earlier,, but here it is again. This is how non-resident that man is.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/denis-o-brien-saves-63m-in-tax-stratagem-1.343993

Just like Bono and many others

DOB!!!!

Feisar

Bowie wrote: »

No they don't. They call it that to deflect from their own ineptitude.

Their manifesto includes €22.1bn in additional expenditure over the next five years with an increase in taxes of €1.4bn

So a budget deficit of €20.7bn over five years or €4.14bn per year?

satguy

is_that_so wrote: »

Yeah, but he follows the tax rules, which he can hardly be blamed for creating, and that was CGT not income tax. That link is also from 20 years ago and he's been resident on Malta since 2006.

If you own FG,, they make the rules just how you want them.