How do FG/FF stop SF at the next election?

satguy · 27-02-2020 4:37pm

Bethany Millions Mirror wrote: »

How many people has DOB murdered?

His refusal to pay and tax on his earnings has surely closed many a hospital bed,, so numbers might be hard to work out.

Feisar · 27-02-2020 4:55pm

Increase literacy and computational skills and then send the SF manifesto to every house.

They don't call it Shinnernomics for nothing!

James Brown · 27-02-2020 4:57pm

Feisar wrote: »

Increase literacy and computational skills and then send the SF manifesto to every house.

They don't call it Shinnernomics for nothing!

No they don't. They call it that to deflect from their own ineptitude.

LeinsterDub · 27-02-2020 4:58pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Ah even if it’s only 20k who refuse to get out of bed until the pub and bookies open then it’s far too many. Half their dole and give it to the underpaid worker.

A much more reasonable proposal than your previous one. I would add in a mental health and physical check before doing so

is_that_so · 27-02-2020 5:06pm

satguy wrote: »

His refusal to pay and tax on his earnings has surely closed many a hospital bed,, so numbers might be hard to work out.

He's non-resident and has been for a long time, which means he pays none anyway. What's with posters shouting DOB every few posts as evidence of something?

satguy · 27-02-2020 5:20pm

is_that_so wrote: »

He's non-resident and has been for a long time, which means he pays none anyway. What's with posters shouting DOB every few posts as evidence of something?

I posted this earlier,, but here it is again. This is how non-resident that man is.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/denis-o-brien-saves-63m-in-tax-stratagem-1.343993

is_that_so · 27-02-2020 5:22pm

satguy wrote: »

I posted this earlier,, but here it is again. This is how non-resident that man is.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/denis-o-brien-saves-63m-in-tax-stratagem-1.343993

Yeah, but he follows the tax rules, which he can hardly be blamed for creating, and that was CGT not income tax. That link is also from 20 years ago and he's been resident on Malta since 2006.

ThunbergsAreGo · 27-02-2020 5:23pm

satguy wrote: »

I posted this earlier,, but here it is again. This is how non-resident that man is.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/denis-o-brien-saves-63m-in-tax-stratagem-1.343993

Just like Bono and many others

DOB!!!!

Feisar · 27-02-2020 5:34pm

Bowie wrote: »

No they don't. They call it that to deflect from their own ineptitude.

Their manifesto includes €22.1bn in additional expenditure over the next five years with an increase in taxes of €1.4bn

So a budget deficit of €20.7bn over five years or €4.14bn per year?

satguy · 27-02-2020 5:37pm

is_that_so wrote: »

Yeah, but he follows the tax rules, which he can hardly be blamed for creating, and that was CGT not income tax. That link is also from 20 years ago and he's been resident on Malta since 2006.

If you own FG,, they make the rules just how you want them.

is_that_so · 27-02-2020 5:38pm

satguy wrote: »

If you own FG,, they make the rules just how you want them.

Now, I know he still spends far too much time in Irish courts but do you actually have any proof of that?

satguy · 27-02-2020 5:43pm

is_that_so wrote: »

No I know he still spends far too much time in Irish courts but do you actually have any proof of that?

Is 20 years of sweetheart deals not enough for you... ?

maccored · 27-02-2020 5:45pm

Feisar wrote: »

Their manifesto includes €22.1bn in additional expenditure over the next five years with an increase in taxes of €1.4bn

So a budget deficit of €20.7bn over five years or €4.14bn per year?

i have no idea how or where they reckon they can make up the extra money, but one flaw in your assumption is you assume saving money in one area and then spending the saved portion elsewhere on something else isn't an option. You'd really want to have a lot more information to know the finer details.

is_that_so · 27-02-2020 5:45pm

satguy wrote: »

Is 20 years of sweetheart deals not enough for you... ?

And do you have actual proof of this as well?

satguy · 27-02-2020 5:51pm

is_that_so wrote: »

Now, I know he still spends far too much time in Irish courts but do you actually have any proof of that?

Many hours spent in court shutting down anyone that might have real proof.

What did you think he was doing in court with an army of lawyers.

James Brown · 27-02-2020 5:53pm

is_that_so wrote: »

He's non-resident and has been for a long time, which means he pays none anyway. What's with posters shouting DOB every few posts as evidence of something?

It's likely referencing his relationship with Fine Gael as regards the continuous awarding of state contracts despite previous and on going investigations.

is_that_so · 27-02-2020 5:55pm

satguy wrote: »

Many hours spent in court shutting down anyone that might have real proof.

What did you think he was doing in court with an army of lawyers.

Apparently defending his good name, which we can all do. Being involved in a lot of civil cases just makes him litigious. There are a good few like him.

satguy · 27-02-2020 5:56pm

Bowie wrote: »

It's likely referencing his relationship with Fine Gael as regards the continuous awarding of state contracts despite previous and on going investigations.

Yes, Bang on..

If Leo want to talk about dark figures behind SF,, that frees me / us , room to talk about dark figures behind FG.

is_that_so · 27-02-2020 5:57pm

Bowie wrote: »

It's likely referencing his relationship with Fine Gael as regards the continuous awarding of state contracts despite previous and on going investigations.

Two contracts 20 years apart is hardly continuous and tribunal or inquiry findings are not legal proof.

satguy · 27-02-2020 6:00pm

is_that_so wrote: »

Two contracts 20 years apart is hardly continuous and tribunal or inquiry findings are not legal proof.

I think you missed a few,, and we wont even bring in SiteServ yet...

James Brown · 27-02-2020 6:01pm

is_that_so wrote: »

Two contracts 20 years apart is hardly continuous and tribunal or inquiry findings are not legal proof.

We know Lowry got him the contract and O'Brien made two payments to Lowry in 1996 and 1999 totalling IR£500,000 (GB£147,000 and GB£300,000) and supported a loan of GB£420,000 given to Lowry in 1999, a benefit equivalent to a payment.
A US$50,000 donation to Fine Gael was made through Telenor on behalf of Esat Digifone.
O'Brien is a private business man who was not found to be corrupt.
Kenny said the report would not be allowed gather dust...but, that's our Enda 'end the scandal, two pints' Kenny.
Siteserv contract/deal is still under investigation, yet his consortium got preferred bidder status/broadband contract.

is_that_so · 27-02-2020 6:02pm

satguy wrote: »

I think you missed a few,, and we wont even bring in SiteServ yet...

So to sum up, you have no proof whatsoever of any of your claims?

is_that_so · 27-02-2020 6:03pm

Bowie wrote: »

We ow Lowry gt him the contract and O'Brien made two payments to Lowry in 1996 and 1999 totalling IR£500,000 (GB£147,000 and GB£300,000) and supported a loan of GB£420,000 given to Lowry in 1999, a benefit equivalent to a payment.
Siteserv contract/deal is still under investigation, yet his consortium got preferred bidder status/broadband contract.

None of this legally holds up which is why he can keep going to court.

McMurphy · 27-02-2020 6:06pm

is_that_so wrote: »

And do you have actual proof of this as well?

C'mon now.

Esat digicell - FG govt and an enquiry found corruption.
Siteserv enquiry still ongoing - FG govt.
NBP will almost certainly result in an enquiry. FG govt.

Coincidental?

James Brown · 27-02-2020 6:09pm

is_that_so wrote: »

None of this legally holds up which is why he can keep going to court.

I posted facts.
Don't get me wrong. I've zero issues with Mr. O'Brien.
FG on the other hand doling him out state contracts, yes.

is_that_so · 27-02-2020 6:11pm

McMurphy wrote: »

C'mon now.

Esat digicell - FG govt and an enquiry found corruption.
Siteserv enquiry still ongoing - FG govt.
NBP will almost certainly result in an enquiry. FG govt.

Coincidental?

Enquiry findings are not admissible in legal cases. Their primary aim should be to avoid such things happening again. If you're going with every dog in the street claim Denis will see you in court! The final NBP screwup you can blame on Eir as they suddenly found a huge swathe of locations they could remarkably service, which caused others to pull out.

satguy · 27-02-2020 6:11pm

Who turned the indo into the sindo ?

James Brown · 27-02-2020 6:12pm

is_that_so wrote: »

Enquiry findings are not admissible in legal cases. Their primary aim should be to avoid such things happening again. If you're going with every dog in the street claim Denis will see you in court! The final NBP screwup you can blame on Eir as they suddenly found a huge swathe of locations they could service, which caused other to pull out.

I had added to that post;

We know Lowry got him the contract and O'Brien made two payments to Lowry in 1996 and 1999 totalling IR£500,000 (GB£147,000 and GB£300,000) and supported a loan of GB£420,000 given to Lowry in 1999, a benefit equivalent to a payment.
A US$50,000 donation to Fine Gael was made through Telenor on behalf of Esat Digifone.
O'Brien is a private business man who was not found to be corrupt.
Kenny said the report would not be allowed gather dust...but, that's our Enda 'end the scandal, two pints' Kenny.
Siteserv contract/deal is still under investigation, yet his consortium got preferred bidder status/broadband contract.

This isn't about chasing Mr. O'Brien it's about the questionable circumstances under which FG award state contracts time and again.

hurler32 · 27-02-2020 7:12pm

The new FG-FF government should change the entitlement to vote .
Only homeowners would be allowed vote , this would eliminate a lot of the Sinn Fein votes in Dublin plus if you own 5 or 6 houses you should get a vote for each property you own. Many multiple property owners would be from the Fine Gael base so this would ensure Fine Gael get a lot more seats in Dublin with the new voter register .
Rural Ireland be more difficult to implement as many Sinn Fein voters own their houses , perhaps a minimum household income of 80k before house owners are entitled to vote would get round this .
This approach worked in South Africa for many years and I’m sure Charlie Flanagan would have no issue implementing it and RTÉ and Sunday Independent will explain to the masses how they think it’s a great concept they fully endorse .

FrancieBrady · 27-02-2020 7:28pm

hurler32 wrote: »

The new FG-FF government should change the entitlement to vote .
Only homeowners would be allowed vote , this would eliminate a lot of the Sinn Fein votes in Dublin plus if you own 5 or 6 houses you should get a vote for each property you own. Many multiple property owners would be from the Fine Gael base so this would ensure Fine Gael get a lot more seats in Dublin with the new voter register .
Rural Ireland be more difficult to implement as many Sinn Fein voters own their houses , perhaps a minimum household income of 80k before house owners are entitled to vote would get round this .
This approach worked in South Africa for many years and I’m sure Charlie Flanagan would have no issue implementing it and RTÉ and Sunday Independent will explain to the masses how they think it’s a great concept they fully endorse .

A little bit of gerrymandering never hurt anyone!

v638sg7k1a92bx · 27-02-2020 7:29pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Yup because it's a binary choice isn't it. We apparently can't have employment and a health service or housing despite lots of other countries being able to do just that.

Do you know what binary means or are you just trying to force the word into a sentence in a attempt to sound intelligent because what you said makes non sense?

James Brown · 27-02-2020 7:32pm

Bethany Millions Mirror wrote: »

Do you know what binary means or are you just trying to force the word into a sentence in a attempt to sound intelligent because what you said makes non sense?

Something to do with robots?

LeinsterDub · 27-02-2020 8:29pm

Bethany Millions Mirror wrote: »

Do you know what binary means or are you just trying to force the word into a sentence in a attempt to sound intelligent because what you said makes non sense?

Do you know what binary means because I've used it correctly.
Binary meaning a choice of two. Which you presented. Jobs or health care and other services. I said there are more than 2 options

v638sg7k1a92bx · 27-02-2020 8:45pm

McMurphy wrote: »

C'mon now.

Esat digicell - FG govt and an enquiry found corruption.
Siteserv enquiry still ongoing - FG govt.
NBP will almost certainly result in an enquiry. FG govt.

Coincidental?

What are you insinuating exactly?

smurgen · 27-02-2020 8:47pm

Bethany Millions Mirror wrote: »

What are you insinuating exactly?

Are you retarded?

RandomViewer · 27-02-2020 8:55pm

Bethany Millions Mirror wrote: »

What are you insinuating exactly?

The poster is suggesting that the rather camp fat man in the Boris fright wig is corrupting a political party that has no alpha males, or words to that effect

RandomViewer · 27-02-2020 8:58pm

Bowie wrote: »

I posted facts.
Don't get me wrong. I've zero issues with Mr. O'Brien.
FG on the other hand doling him out state contracts, yes.

Apparently he's got the ESB meter replacement contract as well

Bishop of hope · 27-02-2020 10:14pm

smurgen wrote: »

Are you retarded?

Ah here, what sort of question is that?

is_that_so · 28-02-2020 9:38am

RandomViewer wrote: »

Apparently he's got the ESB meter replacement contract as well

Which company here is his?
https://www.newstalk.com/news/esb-announces-contracts-for-12bn-meter-replacement-programme-487964

mikep · 28-02-2020 9:57am

LeinsterDub wrote: »

The numbers aren't there it's roughly 18 short.

https://www.irishtimes.com/election2020/coalition-builder#/
Here you go send us a screenshot of a workable alliance

I know that..as do SF however they persist with the government for change narrative etc..

In order for it to work they need ALL the independents on board which was never going to happen.

SF are playing a blinder in a way as they get everyone riled up about their "government of change" and can sit back and shout from the sideline until the next election..

BarryD2 · 29-02-2020 3:54pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

Just passing on the impartial views from a journalist.

Where would you find such a thing? Everyone has an agenda: journalists, you & I.

At least in my case and probably yours, we're not being paid by someone to express them as in the case of most journalists.. So I wouldn't be taking anything you see, read or hear as gospel.

Fred Cryton · 29-02-2020 6:33pm

hurler32 wrote: »

The new FG-FF government should change the entitlement to vote .
Only homeowners would be allowed vote , this would eliminate a lot of the Sinn Fein votes in Dublin plus if you own 5 or 6 houses you should get a vote for each property you own. Many multiple property owners would be from the Fine Gael base so this would ensure Fine Gael get a lot more seats in Dublin with the new voter register .
Rural Ireland be more difficult to implement as many Sinn Fein voters own their houses , perhaps a minimum household income of 80k before house owners are entitled to vote would get round this .
This approach worked in South Africa for many years and I’m sure Charlie Flanagan would have no issue implementing it and RTÉ and Sunday Independent will explain to the masses how they think it’s a great concept they fully endorse .

Nah, we're smarter than that. The real answer is to let all of the peasents vote and think they're making a difference, while in fact a permanent unelected technocracy (civil service) are the ones with the power. As well as a pesky constitution which guarantees the right to private property and prevents a rent freeze. Oh well, the commie revolution will have to wait.

FrancieBrady · 29-02-2020 9:34pm

Sunday Times poll confirming previous poll:
SF 35%
FF 20%
FG 18%

That's another election out of the equation.

Shefwedfan · 01-03-2020 8:53am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Sunday Times poll confirming previous poll:
SF 35%
FF 20%
FG 18%

That's another election out of the equation.

I find this strange, who do they get to do these polls?

smurgen · 01-03-2020 9:19am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I find this strange, who do they get to do these polls?

What's strange?

Shefwedfan · 01-03-2020 9:21am

smurgen wrote: »

What's strange?

Well who are the people who actually vote? Do they get them on the street?

Bishop of hope · 01-03-2020 9:22am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I find this strange, who do they get to do these polls?

You can ignore it, but you can bet FF/FG won't.

Shefwedfan · 01-03-2020 9:30am

Bishop of hope wrote: »

You can ignore it, but you can bet FF/FG won't.

I’m not ignoring it, I’m asking where they get the voters for poll?

The poll could be 100% SF by the way and it will still make f**k all difference as they have no interest in forming a government

J_1980 · 01-03-2020 9:30am

FFG only need to be in power 2 more years. That gives the international finance/mnc enough time to prepare for a left government.

This election came as a massive surprise. Its the surpirse element that hurts, not a left win government. What did Hollande achieve in France? What did syriza achieve in Greece?

nigeldaniel · 01-03-2020 10:09am

It would be hard to stop a political movement like SF whos core vote comes form fanatics.

How do FG/FF stop SF at the next election?

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