Gardaí: Provo Army Council oversees PIRA & SF

corks finest

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

The thing is. If this is true. You have to prove how its true.

You can't just say it.

So how do the IRA army council control SF?? I mean does this happen at the Ardheis?? Do they ring Mary Lou and give coded messages?

How does this happen?
Who in SF knows this happens?

Where is the proof?

I mean you have to help the people who vote SF 9not me) to understand how this happens if you want them to understand it.

I am not doubting Harris' intentions or honor as a guard btw. But we need proof now they are getting serious votes.

THere are other things with sf ...like how they keep the same leader for decades.

Load of government sponsored crap, having been a republican in the 6 counties ( 20 yrs) and years in Cork also ( not a public house republican) FG/ FF are threatened by a democratic party who received most first preference votes ,Ra are gone,as a former anti SF/ GFA man ( arrested for membership of what many call dissidents , organization) I can state 100 PC provos are dead n buried,I walked away years ago from my former life and can only see SF as a means of a united IRELAND by democratic means,and a party for change who will at least try and sort out housing etc, FF/ FG are holding the country back

Horsebox9000

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/21/gerry-adams-will-be-sinn-fein-negotiator-leaked-brief-reveals

Strumms

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

This thread is yet another wonderful insight into the thought processes of SF supporters. They see the problem here as ‘the establishment’, the media, and the fact that Harris is ‘one of them ones’, and not that SF has links to shadowy figures in West Belfast who style themselves as the leadership of a criminal organisation.

It’s a very different moral compass.

It’s a completely different moral compass, a completely different outlook and experience to what being human, kind and caring is all about, a completely different respect for the law, for human life which is why we need those fûcks as far away from any sort of influence or decision making positions in this state, period.

ILoveYourVibes

Gatling wrote: »

But yet we have the SF supporters calling fake news on anything to do with them ,

I agree with you.

They do this.

At the same time. We have to prove what Harris has said if its true.

We can't just have MI5 assumptions about them. We need to know HOW AND WHY its true with verified proof that is simple and clear.

And sf supporters do need to critically engage with their party more. Some of their fringe TD's are ....well ...daft. And tbh everyone should at least be able to see that even if they can't see how they are connected to the paras.

Also its also true ...some sf voters won't care about the IRA. And they won't think its enough to stop voting for the biggest socialist party with popular policies.

Maybe other parties should have more popular policies.

dxhound2005

Bowie wrote: »

I don't think you are being genuine.
It was the Garda passing out. They decided to ask Harris about a report from 5 years ago and make it front page news. If you think that's mere happenstance you are truly naive.
I gave the SD's my number 1 as I did last time, however I fully support a SF led government over and above FF/FG.

I think the press would be remiss in not finding out if the assessment from 5 years ago is still the same now. Because Mary Lou McDonald wants to be our Taoiseach.

Huntergonzo

Bowie wrote: »

I don't think you are being genuine.
It was the Garda passing out. They decided to ask Harris about a report from 5 years ago and make it front page news. If you think that's mere happenstance you are truly naive.
I gave the SD's my number 1 as I did last time, however I fully support a SF led government over and above FF/FG.

Well you could be waiting so, SF who cares so much about the poor people were happy enough along with the DUP to let Stormont sit idle for 3 years.

ILoveYourVibes

Strumms wrote: »

It’s a completely different moral compass, a completely different outlook and experience to what being human, kind and caring is all about, a completely different respect for the law, for human life which is why we need those fûcks as far away from any sort of influence or decision making positions in this state, period.

Funnily enough its not though. Those who hate SF and those who voted for their policies probably both have their positions out of empathy.

SEPT 23 1989

The establishment/ permanent government will never allow SF to take power

The last few weeks attacks are nothing compared to what would be released to the public if they really got close to power

I hate the establishment and SF in equal measure so I am very uncomfortable with the whole thing

corks finest

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

The interesting thing about Mary Lou is that she is not even the most republican in her own family. Her sister Joanne was in éirígí.

So????what's your point?

Die Hard 2019

Die Hard 2019 wrote: »

Do you dispute the connection between the IRA and the protection of criminal organisations in return for a payment ?

Hey Bowie

I asked a question

smurgen

efanton wrote: »

In my opinion its absolutely disgraceful behaviour by a Garda Commissioner.

The TD's, senators and councillors of this country know full well they have no constitutional or legal right to interfere with the judicial system.
Likewise the Garda commissioner knows full well that he has no right whatsoever to interfere with the political process or those elected to represent the country. Yet Drew Harris has done exactly that, its utterly disgraceful and a dangerous precedent to be setting. Whether what he says is true or not is totally irrelevant.

But if what he says is true, why after 4 years since the PSNI assessment was published, has there not been one single person charged with either belonging to the Provisional IRA or directing terrorist activities for the Provisional IRA?
Is he actually saying that he is so bad at his job that he or the Gardai are unable to perform their duties, or is that there is no evidence bar hearsay that could be presented to a court in which case what he has just done really deserves nothing less than a demand for his instant resignation.

I haven't seen the evidence or the reports that Drew Harris has seen so it would be irresponsible of me to make judgement as to whether a Provisional IRA council still exists and whether that council has any influence whatsoever on political parties in the Republic of Ireland. Its important they we recognise those as TWO different issues.

What I can say is without doubt Drew Harris has stepped far beyond his remit, and has acted in a way that no Police officer or member of the Judiciary should. We would (or should) be all be appalled at a TD interfering with a court case, we should be equally appalled at a Garda officer interfering with our political processes. In both cases resignations should be considered.

I'd go so far as to say the commissioner should resign after this. You cannot put out a political slur without evidence.

If sinn fein and the IRA are entangled let the gardai arrest members and have offices raided have cab involved also.have court cases and produce actually evidence.

Huntergonzo

Die Hard 2019 wrote: »

Hey Bowie

I asked a question

I asked some as well which Bowie ignored, apparently Bowie prefers to ignore questions.

I guess attack is the best form of defense and all that jazz.

smurgen

Seems more accurate.

https://twitter.com/MallowNews/status/1230858516862251009?s=19

maccored

dxhound2005 wrote: »

There is more to it than that if you accept the security forces assessment.

http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/PR15000545

Both assessments raise deeply troubling issues about PIRA and the legacy of paramilitarism.

This is first and foremost manifested in this jurisdiction by the so-called ‘dissident’ republican groups and their ongoing campaigns of terrorism. While these groups are separate from and at odds with PIRA, they have their origins in PIRA. They continue to present a real and persistent security threat and they are inextricably linked to organised crime to fund their criminal, anti-democratic aims. They seek to emulate a culture of lawlessness which PIRA tried to create in the border areas and the consequences of that are seen in tragic events even to this day. It is clear from the assessment that An Garda Síochána has had considerable success in bringing members of these groups to justice.

A second aspect of the Provisional IRA’s brutal legacy is the involvement in organised crime of a significant number of people who have been associated with PIRA, who, as the Garda Commissioner, points out, are involved in organised crime, make full use of the reputations which they acquired as members of PIRA and do not hesitate to use their previous terror tactics. These people will continue to be pursued relentlessly. The Garda and Revenue authorities and the Criminal Assets Bureau have made substantial progress in tackling the activities and targeting the assets of these people. Indeed, the assessment notes that since the establishment of the Criminal Assets Bureau in 1996, a total of €28 million has been remitted to the Irish Exchequer arising from actions and assessments in respect of over fifty individuals who have had connections or associations to PIRA in the past.

both of those 'aspects' talk of ex pira members. this does not equal the PIRA running SF.

ILoveYourVibes

maccored wrote: »

both of those 'aspects' talk of ex pira members. this does not equal the PIRA running SF.

That's a fair point.

However i would like to see more openess from them.

ILoveYourVibes

corks finest wrote: »

Load of government sponsored crap, having been a republican in the 6 counties ( 20 yrs) and years in Cork also ( not a public house republican) FG/ FF are threatened by a democratic party who received most first preference votes ,Ra are gone,as a former anti SF/ GFA man ( arrested for membership of what many call dissidents , organization) I can state 100 PC provos are dead n buried,I walked away years ago from my former life and can only see SF as a means of a united IRELAND by democratic means,and a party for change who will at least try and sort out housing etc, FF/ FG are holding the country back

Regardless of the above. Serious accusations have been made. The onus is on the people making them to prove and explain them to us.

MI5 assumptions about SF and the IRA army council will not hold up in the REP of IRL. They will have to be clearly proven and demonstrated.

You must understand there are many who voted for Sf for reasons unconnected to a united Ireland. Its for that reason SF is going to have to change (maybe not their policies but their structure) and we should all be encouraging this.

dxhound2005

smurgen wrote: »

I'd go so far as to say the commissioner should resign after this. You cannot put out a political slur without evidence.

If sinn fein and the IRA are entangled let the gardai arrest members and have offices raided have cab involved also.have court cases and produce actually evidence.

The CAB is going after these criminal gangs.

endacl

World’s gone mad.

I agree with vibes...

maccored

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

That's a fair point.

However i would like to see more openess from them.

i would like more openness about this so called present pira link to sf. so far its guff

smurgen

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The CAB is going after these criminal gangs.

So when will be see them raid SF HQ?

dxhound2005

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Regardless of the above. Serious accusations have been made. The onus is on the people making them to prove and explain them to us.

MI5 assumptions about SF and the IRA army council will not hold up in the REP of IRL. They will have to be clearly proven and demonstrated.

You must understand there are many who voted for Sf for reasons unconnected to a united Ireland. Its for that reason SF is going to have to change (maybe not their policies but their structure) and we should all be encouraging this.

Ideal world there. In the real world there has to be the Special Criminal Court to counter mafia type activity.

ILoveYourVibes

maccored wrote: »

i would like more openness about this so called present pira link to sf. so far its guff

Its based on an MI 5 report.

I read it ..years ago. I can't find it now.

I can't remember how robust the evidence was.

I am certain the British govt has assumptions about SF and i am certain they even at some point felt the Irish govt had connections to the IRA they seemed to suggest that. I have never believed this.

I am OPEN to evidence on both sides. However you just can't SAY SF is controlled by the IRA and hope that because of WHO is saying it that it's taken as bible.

It doesnt matter who is the source of the statement. We need verifiable evidence that clearly lays it all out.

Also SF need to be more open and honest and accepting of criticism and political difference.

JamesM

Francie, Bowie and Smurgen are having to work very hard this evening. Finally the rational, normal people of Ireland here on Boards are putting a halt to their gallop of lies and inaccuracies. The surge of the Sinn Fein 'digital rising' has been halted. https://www.sinnfein.ie/sfos.

ILoveYourVibes

JamesM wrote: »

Francie, Bowie and Smurgen are having to work very hard this evening. Finally the rational, normal people of Ireland here on Boards are putting a halt to their gallop of lies and inaccuracies. The surge of the Sinn Fein 'digital rising' has been halted. https://www.sinnfein.ie/sfos.

That reads slightly like a recruitment page for a Russian Troll house!
Not that i doubt SF posters are real people.

I haven't heard FG/FF require online teams beyond social media pr staff etc. CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG SF PEEPS PLEASE!

James Brown

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I think the press would be remiss in not finding out if the assessment from 5 years ago is still the same now. Because Mary Lou McDonald wants to be our Taoiseach.

The only way that would be front page/top story news is if MI5 released a new report or Harris decided he no longer agreed with the 2015 one.
At least we agree they only asked about it because SF did so well.
Did they ask are people still dying on hospital Trolleys? Did they f***. Not a word on the crises over the election while shinner archives were getting three and four spots on the front page. That's troubling to me.

James Brown

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Well you could be waiting so, SF who cares so much about the poor people were happy enough along with the DUP to let Stormont sit idle for 3 years.

An area where I disagree with SF. They should not have gone back in until Foster was held to account IMO.

Kermit.de.frog

Bowie wrote: »

Did they ask are people still dying on hospital Trolleys?

Who are dying on hospital trolleys?

Do you have a number for how many?

James Brown

Die Hard 2019 wrote: »

Hey Bowie

I asked a question

I've no idea. How can I say either way? Do I think people might be engaging in criminality? How the f*** would I know?
I would say no, because I do not believe the IRA are active. That's my opinion.
I would add that FG/FF/Lab/DUP/UUP agree with me on that.
FF/FG will applaud the GFA on the one hand and dismiss it on the other if they can score a few points.

ChikiChiki

I walked by 4 soup kitchens in 1.5km the other night in DCC. 4 ffs.

Its a desperate situation. People are not happy. The big 2 need to face up to that.

Maewyn Succat

JamesM wrote: »

Francie, Bowie and Smurgen are having to work very hard this evening. Finally the rational, normal people of Ireland here on Boards are putting a halt to their gallop of lies and inaccuracies. The surge of the Sinn Fein 'digital rising' has been halted. https://www.sinnfein.ie/sfos.

Don't forget Davy backing them up with his thanks ðŸ˜