FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

Bass Reeves

Runaways wrote: »

So you’re saying

Fine Gael.

Found a magic money tree.


Overnight

Some feat.

It's called being able to borrow. When we went into the banking crisis because the country finances were blow on the good times from 2000-2008, remember bench marking, bench marking MK2, 50K extra public servants, 3-400 extr quangos, anything that went wrong throw money at it. Remember Brian Lenihan begging the EU to us us out. Business waiting 6 months for vat refunds, farming grants paid over 3 years.


Because FG insist on running the country we can go and borrow 50+ billion that we need to get through this. Yes we will need cut costs and impose charges maybe even water charges but we are can do this without going begging to the Germans

Jinglejangle69

Bass Reeves wrote: »

It's called being able to borrow. When we went into the banking crisis because the country finances were blow on the good times from 2000-2008, remember bench marking, bench marking MK2, 50K extra public servants, 3-400 extr quangos, anything that went wrong throw money at it. Remember Brian Lenihan begging the EU to us us out. Business waiting 6 months for vat refunds, farming grants paid over 3 years.


Because FG insist on running the country we can go and borrow 50+ billion that we need to get through this. Yes we will need cut costs and impose charges maybe even water charges but we are can do this without going begging to the Germans

Remember that rainy day fund Pascal set up and Pearse Doherty said we should spend it when we have it.


Hmmmm...

Fann Linn

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Remember that rainy day fund Pascal set up and Pearse Doherty said we should spend it when we have it.


Hmmmm...

Remember Leo saying we couldn't stop evictions, repossessions, or rent increases.
Hmmmm

piplip87

Fann Linn wrote: »

Remember Leo saying we couldn't stop evictions, repossessions, or rent increases.
Hmmmm

Yes. In times of national emergency this can be done.

Sure if there was a ban of evictions all the time then who would bother paying rent ? Looking after rented places or even bother paying a mortgage ?

FrancieBrady

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Remember that rainy day fund Pascal set up and Pearse Doherty said we should spend it when we have it.


Hmmmm...

It's like trying to pretend no party but SF got into glossy auction politics.

Imagine the absurdity of somebody trying to do that JJ?

Fann Linn

piplip87 wrote: »

Yes. In times of national emergency this can be done.

Sure if there was a ban of evictions all the time then who would bother paying rent ? Looking after rented places or even bother paying a mortgage ?

'Unconstitutional' was the word I believe.
I don't remember a referendum, or did Leo act unconstitutionally, or was he just bull sh1tting in the first place.

Bass Reeves

Fann Linn wrote: »

'Unconstitutional' was the word I believe.
I don't remember a referendum, or did Leo act unconstitutionally, or was he just bull sh1tting in the first place.

And it may have been but at times of a national emergency judges will give government's leeway for what is in the national good

piplip87

Fann Linn wrote: »

'Unconstitutional' was the word I believe.
I don't remember a referendum, or did Leo act unconstitutionally, or was he just bull sh1tting in the first place.

No these measures can be taken in times of emergency.

Yes but banning them on a temporary basis is for the common good. Where as banning evictions all together is not for the common good. As the ones who would benefit the the most are those who think not paying bills is sticking it to the man.

Imagine a ban on evictions ? Why would anybody bother paying rents or mortgages of they cannot be evicted ?

Ballso

piplip87 wrote: »

No these measures can be taken in times of emergency.

Yes but banning them on a temporary basis is for the common good. Where as banning evictions all together is not for the common good. As the ones who would benefit the the most are those who think not paying bills is sticking it to the man.

Imagine a ban on evictions ? Why would anybody bother paying rents or mortgages of they cannot be evicted ?

We already see this in public housing, huge arrears and non-payment.

blanch152

McMurphy wrote: »

Aren't the greens saying no to a govt with FF FG, but instead insisting it must be a govt of unity including SF?

Blanch will definitely not be voting for them next time out.

Again.

https://twitter.com/Costellop/status/1242806109724958720?s=19

That won't be enough to change my vote, as you well know from previous discussions.

FrancieBrady

Good to see the government have responded to pressure to pay student nurses. It was an awful thing to ask them to work in these circumstances for free.

Ballso

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Good to see the government have responded to pressure to pay student nurses. It was an awful thing to ask them to work in these circumstances for free.

Yes, good news.

Nevin Parsnipp

piplip87 wrote: »

Yes. In times of national emergency this can be done.

Sure if there was a ban of evictions all the time then who would bother paying rent ? Looking after rented places or even bother paying a mortgage ?

A lot of 'em don't even bother now Dude ...staggering rent arrears across most local authority housing tenants.

They KNOW there will be no repercussions.......

Ballso

Ballso wrote: »

The economy is to contract by 7% and we are about to plunge into a recession due to this spending. And that's after spending this year's budget surplus and the emergency reserve. You are an idiot.

This sounds very like what FG said would happen under SF??

:pac:

Ballso

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This sounds very like what FG said would happen under SF??

:pac:

It's a more extreme version of what would happen with a government with the sort of idiotic low tax high spending policies of the likes of FF and SF.

Wanderer78

Bass Reeves wrote: »

It's called being able to borrow. When we went into the banking crisis because the country finances were blow on the good times from 2000-2008, remember bench marking, bench marking MK2, 50K extra public servants, 3-400 extr quangos, anything that went wrong throw money at it. Remember Brian Lenihan begging the EU to us us out. Business waiting 6 months for vat refunds, farming grants paid over 3 years.


Because FG insist on running the country we can go and borrow 50+ billion that we need to get through this. Yes we will need cut costs and impose charges maybe even water charges but we are can do this without going begging to the Germans

once again, the previous recession was largely caused by the excessive creation of credit from our beloved financial sector, which was caused by the deregulation of this sector over the last couple of decades. from this excess creation of credit, a global boom was encouraged, particularly in housing, and the rest is history.

public finances leading up to the crash werent too bad at all, with us regularly running balanced budgets, and slight surpluses at times, yes, a large proportion of the public books were based on taxes created from the building boom etc, but....

the ecb has released funding at record low rates, in some cases negative rates, i.e. theyre effectively giving us money, it makes absolute sense to borrow right now

Edgware

In the Unity Government Mary Lou can take up the Minister for Stating the Bloody Obvious.

Bass Reeves

Wanderer78 wrote: »

once again, the previous recession was largely caused by the excessive creation of credit from our beloved financial sector, which was caused by the deregulation of this sector over the last couple of decades. from this excess creation of credit, a global boom was encouraged, particularly in housing, and the rest is history.

public finances leading up to the crash werent too bad at all, with us regularly running balanced budgets, and slight surpluses at times, yes, a large proportion of the public books were based on taxes created from the building boom etc, but....

the ecb has released funding at record low rates, in some cases negative rates, i.e. theyre effectively giving us money, it makes absolute sense to borrow right now

Not quite correct while McCreevy was In charge of finance yes we were balancing our books but not running much of an excess over spending. When he was replaced by Cowen the tap was turned on and we started running a deficit of 3% which along with strong public spending and.no control of personal borrowing left us exposed to the downturn. We were creating artificial tax receipts by allowing uncontrolled mortgage borrowing to people who could not repay it.

We were warned about our exposure by economists and the ECB and told we should have been running huge budget excess's but FF choose to splurge and allow uncontrolled private debt

Bass Reeves

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Where in the constitution does say it can be ignored in times of emergency??


I have no issue with them doing so,

Just think they were bullshiiting with years,the interpetation surronding property ownership and rent controls was widely challengable and shouldve gone before the supreme court to decide,

Not a political party who's members and finacianal backers include several landlords(this is true of all parties here )....surely a schoolchild can see how this would be regarded as a conflict of interest

Rent control was declared unconstitutional in the 80's conviently forgotten by some SF politicians.....ok sure they taught the gun was the only law then

Loafing Oaf

Regional Independent Group of TDs most likely target to be partners in coalition

Membership: Denis Naughten, Seán Canney, Michael Lowry, Peadar Tóibín of Aontú, Verona Murphy, Noel Grealish, Peter Fitzpatrick, Cathal Berry and Matt Shanahan.

Though seemingly they're looking to get another small party involved to bulk out the numbers

I think their best bet would be the not-at-all-similar Rural Independents Group: Mattie McGrath, Michael Healy-Rae, Danny Healy-Rae, Carol Nolan, Richard O’Donoghue and Michael Collins.
Tbh I think that second group might be a more reliable bulwark than some of the potential loose cannons in the first like Toibin and Murphy.

Maybe the two could merge? Or it might make more sense for FF and FG to strike individual deals with nine or ten Indos...

Jinglejangle69

See Pearse din the Dail toady saying we need an alternative government to FFG to reflect the appetite for change.

Can anyone tell me what that alternative government looks like and who makes it up?????

smurgen

Edgware wrote: »

In the Unity Government Mary Lou can take up the Minister for Stating the Bloody Obvious.

Lieo would probably block that too.

smurgen

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

See Pearse din the Dail toady saying we need an alternative government to FFG to reflect the appetite for change.

Can anyone tell me what that alternative government looks like and who makes it up?????

SF leading.

CiarraiAbu2

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

See Pearse din the Dail toady saying we need an alternative government to FFG to reflect the appetite for change.

Can anyone tell me what that alternative government looks like and who makes it up?????

Do you really think SF want to get into power after this ****storm, they must be wetting themselves over what's going to happen. FG and FF getting into power, recession coming taxes will have to increase and they can keep their gunpowder dry for another four years knowing they will probably be getting into power.

smurgen

It's great that FFG become populist when it suits them mind

https://twitter.com/UbuntuLad/status/1243270507123953666?s=19

smurgen

Thank god Harris never threatened nurses wages for striking anyway

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/simon-harris-says-financial-penalties-against-striking-nurses-will-be-considered-37765396.html

FrancieBrady

smurgen wrote: »

It's great that FFG become populist when it suits them mind

https://twitter.com/UbuntuLad/status/1243270507123953666?s=19

Leo will be more of a socialist than Bertie if he doesn't watch himself.

Shefwedfan

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

See Pearse din the Dail toady saying we need an alternative government to FFG to reflect the appetite for change.

Can anyone tell me what that alternative government looks like and who makes it up?????

storker

Wanderer78 wrote: »

the ecb has released funding at record low rates, in some cases negative rates, i.e. theyre effectively giving us money, it makes absolute sense to borrow right now

Economics isn't my thing but...isn't there also a bit of a difference in that last time the borrowing was inflating the economy whereas this time it's just being done to maintain the status quo?

Jinglejangle69

smurgen wrote: »

SF leading.

Leading what?