FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

markodaly

satguy wrote: »

This is it,, FG have seen up close just how much of a shambles FF and GP are,, So its get in quick, and do something for the Boss.

The Government is considering buying a number of the country’s 19 main private hospitals.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/government-said-to-be-considering-purchase-and-nationalisation-of-some-private-hospitals-1000077.html

This is when, even in a government cabinet meeting,, FF and GP would be asked to leave the room.

We know they will only buy one private hospital,, and we all know which one. A leopard never changes its spots, and FF will be no match for the FG wide boys.

More conspiracies, no substance. I am reminded of how the High court judges addressed Gemma o'Doherty.

https://twitter.com/courtsnewsIRL/status/1260542791056330759


https://twitter.com/courtsnewsIRL/status/1260543108267286530?s=20

satguy

christy c wrote: »

This is pathetic, even by your own diabolical standards. There is nothing to suggest this was anything other than an accident, to say otherwise without a shred of evidence is a new level of stupidity.

I don't think any fair minded person, would drive over a tent in a JCB without looking first to see if someone was a asleep inside said tent.

christy c

satguy wrote: »

I don't think any fair minded person, would drive over a tent in a JCB without looking first to see if someone was a asleep inside said tent.

So he was driven over on purpose? Do you realise how stupid you sound?

RandomViewer

christy c wrote: »

This is pathetic, even by your own diabolical standards. There is nothing to suggest this was anything other than an accident, to say otherwise without a shred of evidence is a new level of stupidity.

Thought it was a haphazard tent and other junk, why would anyone need to check debris like that, junkie must have well out of it when noise of digger didn't wake him.

FrancieBrady

RandomViewer wrote: »

Thought it was a haphazard tent and other junk, why would anyone need to check debris like that, junkie must have well out of it when noise of digger didn't wake him.

I don't think for a minute it was done on purpose, but it was the perfect metaphor for a government that had lost touch and didn't care for some in society.

RandomViewer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I don't think for a minute it was done on purpose, but it was the perfect metaphor for a government that had lost touch and didn't care for some in society.

There's homeless and there's homeless, I have sympathy for genuine cases who have been priced out of accommodation, however I have no pity for the people who wander around the city centre off their faces, I Think we need to make a clear difference between victims of circumstance and the walking dead.

satguy

RandomViewer wrote: »

Thought it was a haphazard tent and other junk, why would anyone need to check debris like that, junkie must have well out of it when noise of digger didn't wake him.

You sound like a fine upstanding individual,, and defo a FG voter.

So the poor guy who is asleep in a ""haphazard tent and other junk"" as you say,, is the one at fault.

This is why an FG made up of guys like you did so bad at the last GE.

Go back and re read your post, and hang your head,, there is no proof that the poor guy was a junkie.

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I don't think for a minute it was done on purpose, but it was the perfect metaphor for a government that had lost touch and didn't care for some in society.

We don't know who the digger driver voted for either, and FG are in opposition on Dublin council,whose representative gave the go ahead to move the tent,making the story even more tenuous

RandomViewer

satguy wrote: »

You sound like a fine upstanding individual,, and defo a FG voter.

So the poor guy who is asleep in a ""haphazard tent and other junk"" as you say is the one at fault.

This is why an FG made up of guys like you did so bad at the last GE.

Go back a re read your post, and hang your head,, there is no proof that the poor guy was a junkie.

Couldn't be further from the truth, have never voted for FG and never will, but in this case I believe the guy was at fault.

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

We don't know who the digger driver voted for either, and FG are in opposition on Dublin council,whose representative gave the go ahead to move the tent,making the story even more tenuous

You don't need to know who the driver voted for. All you need to do is see the driver as representative .
And people saw it as a methaphor for an uncaring givernment. The old lady eating her dinner off a windowsill sumned up what was happening too.

McMurphy

Mortelaro wrote: »

We don't know who the digger driver voted for either, and FG are in opposition on Dublin council,whose representative gave the go ahead to move the tent,making the story even more tenuous

It was probably the opposition who put that poster up at the scene of the accident too.




Just to add, before anyone questions it, the timeline of events has been covered already.

Yeah, either Murphy's posters went up immediately after, or during the time of the accident, or his posters went up before the election was officially called.

Either way, not a great reflection on FG.

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You don't need to know who the driver voted for. All you need to do is see the driver as representative .
And people saw it as a methaphor for an uncaring givernment. The old lady eating her dinner off a windowsill sumned up what was happening too.

Or it was handy election copy
The people out helping street dwellers every night aren't politicians either here or in the north
Last year NI had double the number of recorded homeless as the republic
Yes double
SF would want to remember that before pontificating on the matter

Edgware

RandomViewer wrote: »

At this stage Martin and the sidekick McGrath would have to be replaced for any new negotiations, Too much said

You could say the same about McDonald and O Broin. When people get a smell of the trough
a lot of can be put aside. Both FF and McDonald know this from dealing with the North.

RandomViewer

I didn't thumb up post 6039?

RandomViewer

Mortelaro wrote: »

Or it was handy election copy
The people out helping street dwellers every night aren't politicians either here or in the north
Last year NI had double the number of recorded homeless as the republic
Yes double
SF would want to remember that before pontificating on the matter

Different criteria, South figures would be 50- 60 thousand if using the same methodology

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

Or it was handy election copy
The people out helping street dwellers every night aren't politicians either here or in the north
Last year NI had double the number of recorded homeless as the republic
Yes double
SF would want to remember that before pontificating on the matter

How often does Leo's election lie have to be fact checked as being false before you stop embarassing yourself repeating it?

Mortelaro

RandomViewer wrote: »

Different criteria, South figures would be 50- 60 thousand if using the same methodology

Actually No
If you account for the size of population in NI,its at least double even using RoI counting methods in NI

satguy

Can we please get back to FG using the pandemic as an excuse to make an offer on a random (cough) private hospital.

And how a Micheál Martin lead FF,, made up of mostly, accidental landlords, shop owners, and part time publicans, ever hope to hold their own with the Wide Boys of FG.

I really have to wonder how many FF TD's would like to have MaryLou at the table, just to give them a dig out. And how many really feel Micheál Martin is climbing into bed with the wrong gang.

christy c

satguy wrote: »

Can we please get back to FG using the pandemic as an excuse to make an offer on a random (cough) private hospital.

Yes please do. You offered nothing only a conspiracy theory, please provide whatever evidence you have. And what the other poster linked to still applies: "Unsubstantiated opinions, speeches, empty rhetoric and a bogus historical parallel are not a substitute for facts,".

Edgware

satguy wrote: »

Can we please get back to FG using the pandemic as an excuse to make an offer on a random (cough) private hospital.

And how a Micheál Martin lead FF,, made up of mostly, accidental landlords, shop owners, and part time publicans, ever hope to hold their own with the Wide Boys of FG.

I really have to wonder how many FF TD's would like to have MaryLou at the table, just to give them a dig out. And how many really feel Micheál Martin is climbing into bed with the wrong gang.

Don't be under any illusion the nearer McDonald gets to the negotiating table and power the further she will move from the Socialist Republic. "Change and equality" will be put on the back burner. The odd "up the rebels" and anti British comment might get through to keep the useful idiots on side

RandomViewer

Edgware wrote: »

Don't be under any illusion the nearer McDonald gets to the negotiating table and power the further she will move from the Socialist Republic. "Change and equality" will be put on the back burner. The odd "up the rebels" and anti British comment might get through to keep the useful idiots on side

Don't think he's SF, thinking anti- vaxxer,5G, Aliens/dinosaurs ruling the world

satguy

Edgware wrote: »

Don't be under any illusion the nearer McDonald gets to the negotiating table and power the further she will move from the Socialist Republic. "Change and equality" will be put on the back burner. The odd "up the rebels" and anti British comment might get through to keep the useful idiots on side

All of our main parties have civil war histories,, its just that for SF, their war dragged on much longer.

It's sad state of affairs for some FF TD's, that when looking around at all their fellow TD's in the hope of finding a good WingMan, MaryLou is the stand out candidate.

Edgware

satguy wrote: »

All of our main parties have civil war histories,, its just that for SF, their war dragged on much longer.

It's sad state of affairs for some FF TD's, that when looking around at all their fellow TD's in the hope of finding a good WingMan, MaryLou is the stand out candidate.

I know. Where's Timmy Dooley when you need him?

satguy

I like FF,, and yes I do joke that they are mostly, accidental landlords, shop owners, and part time publicans.

But behind it all,, yes, I do like them, and did give them a No2 preference vote behind a SF one in our last GE. And while under Bertie Ahern they did leave a lot to be desired. I still feel the path they are on is good for Ireland.

But one only has to look at who MM wants to drag them into bed with,, and then look at the others, who MM has discarded.

Anyone that might watch a PAC investigation, would see how FG are invisible alot of the time,, as its their Inner Circle that mostly end up in front of a PAC investigation.

Here are some of the players, that might make better bedfellows for FF.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qr8CVx1P6Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6HfRuIGuu0

Not perfect,, but at least they try to do the right thing.

Redgirl82

satguy wrote: »

Can we please get back to FG using the pandemic as an excuse to make an offer on a random (cough) private hospital.

And how a Micheál Martin lead FF,, made up of mostly, accidental landlords, shop owners, and part time publicans, ever hope to hold their own with the Wide Boys of FG.

I really have to wonder how many FF TD's would like to have MaryLou at the table, just to give them a dig out. And how many really feel Micheál Martin is climbing into bed with the wrong gang.

Is this the same Mary Lou who was part of the crack negotiations team that shut down the government in Northern Ireland for three years and still doesn’t have the ability or get party to even negotiate a response to Covid

In local elections last year got hammered and was more surprised than anyone the result SF got this year. Excellent at strategy as well

Laughing my way to the bank if I seen her coming walking into the room.

Redgirl82

satguy wrote: »

I like FF,, and yes I do joke that they are mostly, accidental landlords, shop owners, and part time publicans.

But behind it all,, yes, I do like them, and did give them a No2 preference vote behind a SF one in our last GE. And while under Enda they did leave a lot to be desired. I still feel the path they are on is good for Ireland.

But one only has to look at who MM wants to drag them into bed with,, and then look at the others, who MM has discarded.

Anyone that might watch a PAC investigation, would see how FG are invisible alot of the time,, as its their Inner Circle that mostly end up in front of a PAC investigation.

Here are some of the players, that might make better bedfellows for FF.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qr8CVx1P6Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6HfRuIGuu0

Not perfect,, but at least they try to do the right thing.

FF core voters are usually farmers. So I think you need to do a tiny bit more research

atticu

satguy wrote: »

Can we please get back to FG using the pandemic as an excuse to make an offer on a random (cough) private hospital.

Please do.
I would like a bit more information on this.

Why would FG want to buy a hospital?
What hospital are you on about?
Where did you get your information from?
Can you please provide a link to this information.

Take your time, after all I am still waiting for an answer to the last question.

satguy

atticu wrote: »

Please do.
I would like a bit more information on this.

Why would FG want to buy a hospital?
What hospital are you on about?
Where did you get your information from?

You mean this.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/government-said-to-be-considering-purchase-and-nationalisation-of-some-private-hospitals-1000077.html

Its what they do..

RandomViewer

Redgirl82 wrote: »

FF core voters are usually farmers. So I think you need to do a tiny bit more research

FF supporters would come from many sections of society, they didn't have the elitist attitude of FG, large farmers would have voted FG, small farmers FF, General workers would have split FF/SF and some Labour,

satguy

Why is that any time we see a PAC inquiry, its the parties from the left asking the questions, and someone from the FG inner circle in the dock.

Remember this..

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/frank-flannery-unable-to-explain-documents-on-250-000-deposit-1.2597000

These guys are too sharp for FF to handle on their own, and the GP (FG on Bikes) will never help out.