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2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

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    #4472
    kowloon
    Registered Users Posts: 13,407 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Brevedar wrote: »
    He dealt with North Korea very impressively, he went from exchanging insults with Kim Jong Un to meeting in person for initial discussions. That alone is impressive even if Kim Jong Un reneged, he gave them every opportunity for a peaceful resolution and resulted in a historic meeting between the Norrh and South korean leaders.

    Didn't they go straight back to missile testing?
    His 2017 tax cut was an impressive achievement, many of whom didn't believe he could get passed.

    Where did the money for the cut come from?
    I think he has a good eye for exposing corruption amongst the elite.

    A look through his cabinet would suggest otherwise.


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    #4473
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,252 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    kowloon wrote: »
    Didn't they go straight back to missile testing?



    Where did the money for the cut come from?



    A look through his cabinet would suggest otherwise.

    Just debt. $6T added in less than 4 years. Meanwhile, Obama was pilloried for $9T over 8 years.


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    #4474
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Madeleine Birchfield wrote: »
    They also get to spend millions of dollars to set up massive political organisations called Super PACs and flood the American airwaves with pro-billionaire pro-corporation messages and call the corporate centre-right (by European standards) Democrats far-left socialists and pay lobbyists millions of dollars to help create the legislature that eventually gets signed into law. None of which the average American is able to do, already struggling to pay rent and debts.
    If I'm not mistaken I believe Democrats are the bigger beneficiary of Super PACs, union money, and lobby money.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4475
    extra gravy
    Registered Users Posts: 22,625 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Tomorrow I'll be voting, in person, in our primary and voting for Trump because I think he is the best candidate of everyone running to lead the country.

    "All humans are equal, but not everyone has the mental capacity to decide what's best for harmony and progress of a people."


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    #4476
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,229 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    notobtuse wrote: »
    If I'm not mistaken I believe Democrats are the bigger beneficiary of Super PACs, union money, and lobby money.

    Is that your opinion or a statement of fact?


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    #4477
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Overheal wrote: »
    Just debt. $6T added in less than 4 years. Meanwhile, Obama was pilloried for $9T over 8 years.

    But but the Republicans are the party of fiscal responsibility?? :pac:


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    #4478
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    extra gravy wrote: »
    "All humans are equal, but not everyone has the mental capacity to decide what's best for harmony and progress of a people."
    When it comes to Trump... Harmony - No, Progress - Yes. And I'll take progress over harmony any day of the week.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4479
    dwayneshintzy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    Hey notobtuse, could you provide some links showing that Democrats receive more funding from Super PACs and lobbyists than Republicans?


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    #4480
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    The press secretary is holding a briefing at 7pm Irish time.
    This isn't a trump presser


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    #4481
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,229 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    dwayneshintzy wrote: »
    Hey notobtuse, could you provide some links showing that Democrats receive more funding from Super PACs and lobbyists than Republicans?

    Ha, good luck with that


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    #4482
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,262 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    The press secretary is holding a briefing at 7pm Irish time.
    This isn't a trump presser

    Where is trump?


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    #4483
    Billy Mays
    Registered Users Posts: 3,212 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    Donnie the worldwide laughing stock accusing others of making fools of themselves. I'd say they were all holding in the laughter at that one alright


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    #4484
    Madeleine Birchfield
    Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭Madeleine Birchfield


    Billy Mays wrote: »
    Donnie the worldwide laughing stock accusing others of making fools of themselves. I'd say they were all holding in the laughter at that one alright

    The only people making fools of themselves other than Trump himself are the Republicans who sucked up to Trump after saying in 2016 that they will never support him.


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    #4485
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,607 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    The last time Trump spoke on an emergency topic he pondered the merits of drinking bleach as a solution.

    They won't let him address this in a presser.


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    #4486
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,252 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Cody montana wrote: »
    Where is trump?

    In a bunker scared of rocks and water bottles.


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    #4487
    kowloon
    Registered Users Posts: 13,407 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    The last time Trump spoke on an emergency topic he pondered the merits of drinking bleach as a solution.

    They won't let him address this in a presser.

    Injecting it! There's a difference, drinking it could kill you!

    Overheal wrote: »
    Just debt. $6T added in less than 4 years. Meanwhile, Obama was pilloried for $9T over 8 years.

    But borrowing to give tax cuts makes sense, right? It wouldn't just create a problem to be solved in the future? ;)


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    #4488
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    duploelabs wrote: »
    Is that your opinion or a statement of fact?
    It’s a statement that I believe, based on what I’ve read in the past that Democrats benefit more from PACs, lobbyists and unions, but I might be mistaken. :rolleyes:

    We all know unions almost exclusively give to Democrats.

    And take a look at PACs for the 2020 election cycle…

    https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/superpacs.php

    So you tell me!

    Here’s lobbyists

    https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?cycle=2020&ind=k02

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4489
    kowloon
    Registered Users Posts: 13,407 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Brevedar wrote: »
    He made a great attempt at reconciling with Kim Jong Un, something no other president did with him or any other dictator as far as I'm aware.

    An attempt was made, I'll give you that. Far from the only dictator the US has tried to deal with
    You'll have to read the fiscal accounts, I don't have that information.

    See Overheal's post.
    Not sure who you are talking about.

    He doesn't have much of a record for picking 'the best people', he seems to like the swamp so much he's relocated to Florida.


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    #4490
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    The press secretary is holding a briefing at 7pm Irish time.
    This isn't a trump presser

    Trump has literally vacated his post and could not be bothered except for a few tweets and an effort at shifting the blame onto the Governors.

    At least that's how it looks.


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    #4491
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    I don't think you are getting it. I have no interest in communicating with you any further. I don't agree with your opinions and do not want to entertain them.

    Fair enough, if having facts pointed out to you leads to that reaction then I guess off you go and enjoy yourself.


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    #4492
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,968 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    There's a huge problem in any thread about Trump. Even if he does something good or decent you have a bunch here waiting to criticise it, say he was forced into it, assign the credit to somebody else.
    Then if somebody has a less than shining opinion of Biden they get attacked on all sides. Get accused of being trump supporters etc.
    There's no having a conversation with these people.


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    #4493
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    duploelabs wrote: »
    Ha, good luck with that
    You're welcome.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4494
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    The point is that antifa have gotten involved in the protests both in the Us and now uk. Its undeniable.

    The chanting is irrelevant but happening. No need to deflect or defend

    People on here talking about Antifa like they are some massive organised group. Quick question - who's the leader of Antifa?


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    #4495
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,252 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    People on here talking about Antifa like they are some massive organised group. Quick question - who's the leader of Antifa?

    And who are the lieutenants?


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    #4496
    kowloon
    Registered Users Posts: 13,407 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    eagle eye wrote: »
    There's a huge problem in any thread about Trump. Even if he does something good or decent you have a bunch here waiting to criticise it, say he was forced into it, assign the credit to somebody else.
    Then if somebody has a less than shining opinion of Biden they get attacked on all sides. Get accused of being trump supporters etc.
    There's no having a conversation with these people.

    I wouldn't choose either, but Trump is worse by a country mile. The majority of people realise he's a clown and has been long before he ever got into the White House.


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    #4497
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Brevedar wrote: »
    There is nothing oppressive about a government imposing curfews when there is nationwide riots and looting. It's a reasonable measure.

    Amazing that only a few weeks ago the imposition of stay at home orders to help limit the spread of a deadly disease WAS claimed to be oppressive.


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    #4498
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Can Trump not come on TV and say this ffs.


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    #4499
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,486 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Can Trump not come on TV and say this ffs.

    Locked himself in his bunker and turned off the lights.


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    #4500
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Half the people on Twitter and the media calling for Antifa and it's leaders (!) to be locked up hasn't even heard of Antifa until yesterday when politicians created the bogeyman for them to be afraid of.


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    #4501
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,252 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Half the people on Twitter and the media calling for Antifa and it's leaders (!) to be locked up hasn't even heard of Antifa until yesterday when politicians created the bogeyman for them to be afraid of.

    Remember MS-13? So much talk and fearmongering of them came and went like a wet fart.


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