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2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

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    #4442
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,456 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    The source for what? My opinion that Rather is trying to stay relevant? I think someone with such a high profile as Rather who was disgraced for pushing a lie, would think twice before stepping into horse$hit again. But I guess some people's egos are hard to tame and have a need to believe what they say is important anymore.

    Your hero Trump has over 18,000 lies to his name over the last 3 years yet you're here every day defending him.

    As I said, very hypocritical of you.


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    #4443
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,996 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Madeleine Birchfield wrote: »
    What are the chances of Trump declaring martial law in the US thus postponing the election indefinitely?

    Close to zero. Madam Speaker would be President in January martial law or no.


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    #4444
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,996 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Brevedar wrote: »
    Yes and I think those people are idiots, did I say there shouldn't have been a lockdown?

    Did I say you did?


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    #4445
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    More of a collective.
    No, to be a collective there would need to be some structure as it is people acting as a group. Sure, there can be an antifa rally - just like there can be a feminist or conservative rally. Conservatism or feminism are not collectives though, and neither are antifa.

    They are ideologies, with anyone from a random person occasionally who posts in their spare time against fascism, or in favour of conservatism, or in favour of feminism, all the way up to someone looking to organise peaceful or violent rallies and those that might attend, or anything in between.

    Seeing an antifa banner/sticker/whatever doesn't zone in on the exact people attached to it any more than the picture of a woman flexing her bicep with the red bandana/denim shirt, or somebody vaguely mentioning their preference for tradition. They could be anything from mild feminists, to TERFs, to other types of extremists, or could be anything from centrist people with a bit of a preference for tradition and caution, or something as extreme as even neo Nazis harping on about 'race tradition and heritage'.

    Seeing the presence of an antifa flag in itself means nothing, and hearing 'f*ck the police' chants in an anti police brutality protest shouldn't be in the least bit surprising, nor is it in any way violent.


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    #4446
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,564 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Brevedar wrote: »
    Trump does some things well as President, he does other things poorly.

    It's pathetic when people find a way to criticise everything he does or doesn't do, and also pathetic of those who can see no fault in his tenure.

    What does he do well?


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    #4447
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    Overheal wrote: »
    Close to zero. Madam Speaker would be President in January martial law or no.

    With the way the last few years have gone, and Barr's presence, I wouldn't be remotely surprised to see them just claim that isn't what the law states and no election = an automatic 4 more years (or Trump staying in until the election is held at an undisclosed date, then simply not holding one).


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    #4448
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Your hero Trump has over 18,000 lies to his name over the last 3 years yet you're here every day defending him.

    As I said, very hypocritical of you.

    To you it looks like hypocrisy, but to him and others like him it is a badge of pride and sign of unquestioning loyalty, which is the most important factor being a part of Trump's supporters.


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    #4449
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,996 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Brevedar wrote: »
    Why are you asking me about the people protesting the lockdown?

    Because you were trying to gaslight the protest by making a farcical point about violating curfews.


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    #4450
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Carfacemandog wrote: »
    No, to be a collective there would need to be some structure as it is people acting as a group. Sure, there can be an antifa rally - just like there can be a feminist or conservative rally. Conservatism or feminism are not collectives though, and neither are antifa.

    They are ideologies, with anyone from a random person occasionally who posts in their spare time against fascism, or in favour of conservatism, or in favour of feminism, all the way up to someone looking to organise peaceful or violent rallies and those that might attend, or anything in between.

    Seeing an antifa banner/sticker/whatever doesn't zone in on the exact people attached to it any more than the picture of a woman flexing her bicep with the red bandana/denim shirt, or somebody vaguely mentioning their preference for tradition. They could be anything from mild feminists, to TERFs, to other types of extremists, or could be anything from centrist people with a bit of a preference for tradition and caution, or something as extreme as even neo Nazis harping on about 'race tradition and heritage'.

    Seeing the presence of an antifa flag in itself means nothing, and hearing 'f*ck the police' chants in an anti police brutality protest shouldn't be in the least bit surprising, nor is it in any way violent.

    Nah. I disagree


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    #4451
    Madeleine Birchfield
    Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭Madeleine Birchfield


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    What does he do well?

    Tax cuts and bailours for the billionaires and multinational corporations while screwing the rest of America over economically; of course the billionaires and multinational corporations would praise him.


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    #4452
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,996 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    NYPD show moral superiority by doxing DeBlasios daughter, releasing her home address and State ID no.

    https://gizmodo.com/nypd-union-doxes-mayors-daughter-on-twitter-1843813751


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    #4453
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Nah. I disagree

    With which part, and why?


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    #4454
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Have you heard about the audio of his calls to governors? Do you think that's "presidential" behaviour?
    Where he told a select number of governors that most of them are weak, that they’re making themselves look like fools, and that they need to do their jobs and crackdown on the mayhem and violence in their states? Trump’s right and damn straight he's being presidential.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4455
    Madeleine Birchfield
    Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭Madeleine Birchfield


    Overheal wrote: »
    NYPD show moral superiority by doxing DeBlasios daughter, releasing her home address and State ID no.

    https://gizmodo.com/nypd-union-doxes-mayors-daughter-on-twitter-1843813751

    Literally what the Stasi would do.


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    #4456
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Carfacemandog wrote: »
    With which part, and why?

    Just with you in general. Our views and opinions are different.


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    #4457
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,996 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Where he told a select number of governors that most of them are weak, that they’re making themselves look like fools, and that they need to do their jobs and crackdown on the mayhem and violence in their states? Trump’s right and damn straight he's being presidential.

    Delusional.


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    #4458
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,138 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Overheal wrote: »
    NYPD show moral superiority by doxing DeBlasios daughter, releasing her home address and State ID no.

    https://gizmodo.com/nypd-union-doxes-mayors-daughter-on-twitter-1843813751

    Straight out of a state security police playbook. Wonder where the very fine people and their adulation of the Constitution are on this one?


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    #4459
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,138 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Where he told a select number of governors that most of them are weak, that they’re making themselves look like fools, and that they need to do their jobs and crackdown on the mayhem and violence in their states? Trump’s right and damn straight he's being presidential.

    He couldn't spell presidential (literally), never mind act it. He's a coward.


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    #4460
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Madeleine Birchfield wrote: »
    Tax cuts and bailours for the billionaires and multinational corporations while screwing the rest of America over economically; of course the billionaires and multinational corporations would praise him.
    This may come as a shock but millionaires and billionaires only get one vote... the same as the rest of us. Luckily people here are smart enough to know that when the rich are ALSO provided with incentives they usually create more jobs which benefits the masses.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4461
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Straight out of a state security police playbook. Wonder where the very fine people and their adulation of the Constitution are on this one?

    The same place that they were when black NFL used their first amendment right to peaceful free speech and protest.


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    #4462
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Just with you in general. Our views and opinions are different.
    So you can't say why you disagree with me or what about, just that you do?


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    #4463
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    notobtuse wrote: »
    This may come as a shock but millionaires and billionaires only get one vote... the same as the rest of us. Luckily people here are smart enough to know that when the rich are ALSO provided with incentives they usually create more jobs which benefits the masses.

    I forgot the rust belt voted for Trump in 2016 so he could make the rich richer. That sounds exactly like their gripe with politics over the last 30 years was, too much money and too many resources being directed at their rust belt towns and not at the billionaires in the big cities.


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    #4464
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    He couldn't spell presidential (literally), never mind act it. He's a coward.

    A coward because the Secret Service determined the threat caused by the violent rioters who injured 50 Secret Service agents was so great that they needed to secure the president for one hour? The major of Washington, DC should lose her job if she can’t protect the people in her city. Or do you think Trump should have grabbed a machine gun and started firing on the protestors to show he wasn’t a coward? Big talk there on your part.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4465
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Carfacemandog wrote: »
    So you can't say why you disagree with me or what about, just that you do?

    I disagree with everything you posted. I disagree with your opinions and beliefs.
    We are different people. You are entitled to your opinions. I just disagree with them. You may disagree with mine too. I don't mind


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    #4466
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    I disagree with everything you posted. I disagree with your opinions and beliefs.
    We are different people. You are entitled to your opinions. I just disagree with them. You may disagree with mine too. I don't mind

    So who is the leader of Antifa then, if you disagree with me and think it is an organisation group/collective with a leadership structure?


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    #4467
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,138 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    notobtuse wrote: »
    A coward because the Secret Service determined the threat caused by the violent rioters who injured 50 Secret Service agents was so great that they needed to secure the president for one hour? The major of Washington, DC should lose her job if she can’t protect the people in her city. Or do you think Trump should have grabbed a machine gun and started firing on the protestors to show he wasn’t a coward? Big talk there on your part.

    Yes a coward. Thanks for agreeing.


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    #4468
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,138 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Carfacemandog wrote: »
    So who is the leader of Antifa then, if it is an organisation or collective?

    There's none of course. An invented bogeyman. Especially when white people are involved they simply have to be labelled as something. Antifa are like the WMD of the Iraq War.


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    #4469
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Yes a coward. Thanks for agreeing.

    Comprehension is an alien concept to you?

    Tomorrow I'll be voting, in person, in our primary and voting for Trump because I think he is the best candidate of everyone running to lead the country.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4470
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Carfacemandog wrote: »
    So who is the leader of Antifa then, if you disagree with me and think it is an organisation group/collective with a leadership structure?

    I don't think you are getting it. I have no interest in communicating with you any further. I don't agree with your opinions and do not want to entertain them.


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    #4471
    Madeleine Birchfield
    Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭Madeleine Birchfield


    notobtuse wrote: »
    This may come as a shock but millionaires and billionaires only get one vote... the same as the rest of us. Luckily people here are smart enough to know that when the rich are ALSO provided with incentives they usually create more jobs which benefits the masses.

    They also get to spend millions of dollars to set up massive political organisations called Super PACs and flood the American airwaves with pro-billionaire pro-corporation messages and call the corporate centre-right (by European standards) Democrats far-left socialists and pay lobbyists millions of dollars to help create the legislature that eventually gets signed into law. None of which the average American is able to do, already struggling to pay rent and debts.

    And the same billionaires and corporations in America are actively sending jobs to China or automating jobs with robots and AI while importing labour from Latin America to do the rest of the jobs keeping pay low.


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