Who is everyone going to be voting for in the next general election?

James Brown

is_that_so wrote: »

Health is a hard one to bash any government with because it is a perennial basket case and any incoming government claiming they can fix it is very likely to find themselves in the firing line very quickly. Roll on the next iteration of health boards/HSE.

If they, (any party) can't handle it maybe they shouldn't be making claims they'll help sort it? Suggesting it's beyond hope doesn't help the public and says you've, (which ever party) no business putting yourself forward for public office if that's your belief or excuse for failure.

Harney was trying to privatise and I suspect that's what FG are at. Let it implode and sell off the contracts to our friend in Malta.

James Brown

is_that_so wrote: »

In your view. Well, I'll go with Matt on this, we disagree.

Yeah, but I gave reasons, which refute your excuses.

Labour might have had a decent chance of getting good numbers if they had gotten rid of the old vultures and brought through fresher faces with forward thinking ideas.

Seeing the snouts of Howlin, Burton and Alan Kelly still around would turn the sturdiest of stomachs.


(They wouldn't be getting my vote either way).

is_that_so

Matt Barrett wrote: »

If they, (any party) can't handle it maybe they shouldn't be making claims they'll help sort it? Suggesting it's beyond hope doesn't help the public and says you've, (which ever party) no business putting yourself forward for public office if that's your belief or excuse for failure.

Parties make claims for it because it's never far from the news. Their solutions are often simplistic like just throwing billions more at it or magically recruiting thousands of front line staff from somewhere. Campaigns also include a a narrative on how bad the last bunch were and that's where they can fall themselves when plans don't work.

I really don't think there is a magic bullet for it anywhere. It is all the moving parts functioning properly and it's questionable whether anyone has figured out what some of the are.

James Brown

is_that_so wrote: »

Parties make claims for it because it's never far from the news. Their solutions are often simplistic like just throwing billions more at it or magically recruiting thousands of front line staff from somewhere. Campaigns also include a a narrative on how bad the last bunch were and that's where they can fall themselves when plans don't work.

I really don't think there is a magic bullet for it anywhere. It is all the moving parts functioning properly and it's questionable whether anyone has figured out what some of the are.

Let's be clear we are talking about Fine Gael and Fianna Fail here, so to be fair to you their records on health agree with you, they don't know how to fix it or are choosing to let it fester.

No such thing as a magic bullet realistically but decades of failure on the part of FF/FG is on FF/FG suggest they are not capable or willing to do anything different. Even under that massive all encompassing yoke of Troika, Kenny could have made changes, but nope.

is_that_so

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Let's be clear we are talking about Fine Gael and Fianna Fail here, so to be fair to you their records on health agree with you, they don't know how to fix it or are choosing to let it fester.

No such thing as a magic bullet realistically but decades of failure on the part of FF/FG is on FF/FG.

It's what we've got and are gonna get into perpetuity. I'd think we'd all like to see a functioning system. I really don't care who it comes from.

firemansam4

A choice between the calamitous government we have in now, the party that bankrupted the country and left us in massive debt for generations and a whole swave of looney left parties who will bankrupt the country even worse than before.

I honestly don't know who to vote for this time...

Feisar

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Let's be clear we are talking about Fine Gael and Fianna Fail here, so to be fair to you their records on health agree with you, they don't know how to fix it or are choosing to let it fester.

No such thing as a magic bullet realistically but decades of failure on the part of FF/FG is on FF/FG suggest they are not capable or willing to do anything different. Even under that massive all encompassing yoke of Troika, Kenny could have made changes, but nope.

The only person what could sort out Health is dead, Maggie Thatcher! Think Poll Tax and Coal Mines. To actually attempt to sort out Health would lead to blood on the streets.

James Brown

is_that_so wrote: »

It's what we've got and are gonna get into perpetuity. I'd think we'd all like to see a functioning system. I really don't care who it comes from.

Me neither but I've zero faith in FF/FG to solve it which is one reason I'll not support them. Anyone who supports them and expects different is only fooling themselves.

James Brown

firemansam4 wrote: »

A choice between the calamitous government we have in now, the party that bankrupted the country and left us in massive debt for generations and a whole swave of looney left parties who will bankrupt the country even worse than before.

I honestly don't know who to vote for this time...

That's the FG spin alright.

KrustyUCC

I voted for an Independent as the best of a bad bunch the last time round

Unfortunately he is now running for FG this time round so I'll have to find someone else for my vote

firemansam4

Matt Barrett wrote:

That's the FG spin alright.

Nothing to do with FG, it's my own opinion on what I have seen from them parties and there policies.

The only spin here is your post.

Rikand

FF 1,2,3,4 and 5

rossie1977

FG are a right wing neo-liberal party. Always surprises me people are shocked when FG cut public services and reward corporations. That's their main aim.

When they were voted in in 2011 unemployment was 15%+ and budget deficit 20 billion odd. To their credit they got both under control and GDP has nearly doubles in the meantime.

They are fiscally conservative. If you voted FG and expected as a middle class worker tax cuts or a thriving public service sector you were voting wrong party.

Deleted User wrote: »

Labour might have had a decent chance of getting good numbers if they had gotten rid of the old vultures and brought through fresher faces with forward thinking ideas.

Seeing the snouts of Howlin, Burton and Alan Kelly still around would turn the sturdiest of stomachs.

(They wouldn't be getting my vote either way).

Outside Dublin and a handful of other places the Labour candidates are ultra niche so odds on them being anything more than a distant 3rd behind FG/FF

nkl12xtw5goz70

firemansam4 wrote: »

A choice between the calamitous government we have in now, the party that bankrupted the country and left us in massive debt for generations and a whole swave of looney left parties who will bankrupt the country even worse than before.

I honestly don't know who to vote for this time...

That's the conundrum.

Unfortunately FG is probably the best option we have, which isn't saying a lot.

James Brown

Feisar wrote: »

The only person what could sort out Health is dead, Maggie Thatcher! Think Poll Tax and Coal Mines. To actually attempt to sort out Health would lead to blood on the streets.

Not at all. I think people are tired of it and any reasonable asks will be hard to fight against in the court of public opinion. In fact I would guess any politician putting themselves on the line to truly tackle the problem would have public support.
Like most right wing politicians, Thatcher forgot what her job was, which was looking after the public not the books, (ignoring the trickle down myth).

James Brown

Davis Teeny Gum wrote: »

That's the conundrum.

Unfortunately FG is probably the best option we have, which isn't saying a lot.

Based on record breaking child homelessness, wasteful spending and worsening crises? Japers.

The ship may be sinking and the Captain and crew might not care about your well being, but they've sailed a ship before.

facehugger99

Feisar wrote: »

The only person what could sort out Health is dead, Maggie Thatcher! Think Poll Tax and Coal Mines. To actually attempt to sort out Health would lead to blood on the streets.

The people that whinge the most about 'sorting out' Health are the same ones who would crucify the Minister of Health at the first sign of a strike.

The current system would need to be entirely demolished and re-built with all the associated industrial action this would involve. When the Irish electorate bang on about Health being a mess they are being entirely disingenuous - they simply don't have the stomach for what would be actually involved in fixing it.

It's easier to just blame the politicians, bitterly complain and feel smug.

Rinse and repeat.

Plumbthedepths

facehugger99 wrote: »

The people that whinge the most about 'sorting out' Health are the same ones who would crucify the Minister of Health at the first sign of a strike.

The current system would need to be entirely demolished and re-built with all the associated industrial action this would involve. When the Irish electorate bang on about Health being a mess they are being entirely disingenuous - they simply don't have the stomach for what would be actually involved in fixing it.

It's easier to just blame the politicians, bitterly complain and feel smug.

Rinse and repeat.

Why have politicians at all if nothing is ever their fault or responsibility?

Ashleigh1986

I won't be voting for anyone .
Sick to death of every single one of the parties with their empty promises.
It's all about their party.
It's all about them getting elected.
They don't care about the Irish people , so I'm going to return to them the same respect they deny us .
I'm a hardworking individual who works long hours to pay his way .
I see my taxes ( direct tru vat and income tax ) wasted by these gom****es that wouldn't last a month in the private sector .
I've given up listening to the news because the fxxk ups are endless.

Mad_maxx

I vote based on who is the least left wing as they are all too left wing for my liking

Tacitus Kilgore

Mad_maxx wrote: »

I vote based on who is the least left wing as they are all too left wing for my liking

You should vote based on whether you agree with their manifestos/policies - I wouldn't be too concerned with where they appear on the political spectrum myself (it's possible to be left, centrist & right within ones views), look to what you would like from a government - and vote based on who seems to be lying the least in relation to what you want.

ELM327

Mad_maxx wrote: »

I vote based on who is the least left wing as they are all too left wing for my liking

This is my criteria too

Better Than Christ

Feisar wrote: »

The only person what could sort out Health is dead, Maggie Thatcher! Think Poll Tax and Coal Mines. To actually attempt to sort out Health would lead to blood on the streets.

That reminds me of the scene from Father Ted where Tom promises to 'take care of' the rabbits.

"Tom, do you know the phrase 'To take care of something'? Well, I realise now that you meant that in a sort of Al Pacino way. Whereas I was thinking more along the lines of Julie Andrews."

James Brown

facehugger99 wrote: »

The people that whinge the most about 'sorting out' Health are the same ones who would crucify the Minister of Health at the first sign of a strike.

The current system would need to be entirely demolished and re-built with all the associated industrial action this would involve. When the Irish electorate bang on about Health being a mess they are being entirely disingenuous - they simply don't have the stomach for what would be actually involved in fixing it.

It's easier to just blame the politicians, bitterly complain and feel smug.

Rinse and repeat.

Maybe the people you know?
Kenny promised to 'end the scandal of hospital trolleys' and he did okay out of it. Are you suggesting people vote for these people despite the claims they'll tackle issues like health, (accepting it's just something you say)?

Why would any politician claim to want to address health if the people didn't want it? Your comment makes no sense.

tonycascarino

I do not care about any party in particular but I won't be voting Fine Gael or the Greens anyway. Fine Gael are one awful shower and the Green Party are just adult versions of Greta Thunberg who would ruin the country further with their wacky environmental/climate change proposals. Most likely I will vote for some Independent.

Duke of Url

I don’t know. I voted FG last time but I feel if I vote for them again it would seem that I’m condoning

Eoghan Murphy and Simon Harris as ministers.

dundalkfc10

The IRA

Better Than Christ

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

You should vote based on whether you agree with their manifestos/policies - I wouldn't be too concerned with where they appear on the political spectrum myself (it's possible to be left, centrist & right within ones views), look to what you would like from a government - and vote based on who seems to be lying the least in relation to what you want.

If someone finds Fine Gael 'too left wing for their liking', I think it's safe to say that they aren't likely to hold too many left or centrist views. It's unlikely that they'll find any party or candidate right-wing enough for their liking.

James Brown

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

The IRA

TBF it's as good a logical choice as Fine Gael. Sure they've a dodgy record but at least you know what you're getting right?