Who is everyone going to be voting for in the next general election?

JohnnyFlash

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

No offence to the posters so far, but there’s a noticeable lack of stepping up to the plate and saying who you’d vote for.

Don’t see the Dissatisfaction and Disillusioned party talking about running candidates.

The problem you have is - who do you vote for?




When Leo first took office he made his speech about the working man who gets up early in the morning and how FG will back the workers and yada yada. People got excited and felt they made the right choice. Yet little to nothing has been done to benefit those 'getting up early'.


At the moment no party seems interested in that. They're all practically clones of each other, except SF who still pray to the Magic Money Tree to help them get by.

RMAOK

I'll probably vote independent

Steve

RMAOK wrote: »

I'll probably vote independent

I did that last time and Ross got in. I am truly sorry for that.

ChikiChiki

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

No offence to the posters so far, but there’s a noticeable lack of stepping up to the plate and saying who you’d vote for.

Don’t see the Dissatisfaction and Disillusioned party talking about running candidates.

Social Democrats, not a great fan as they seem quite fractured policy wise but FG and FF are asleep at the wheel for far too long now.

Plumbthedepths

Independent same as last time.

Jamie2k9

Moghead wrote: »

The only sitting TD in Waterford worth a damn.

I'm voting 1:GP, 2:SF, 3:LAB. May give 4 to FG as I don't want to see a FF government and they have an awful candidate in my constituency.

What has he achieved for Waterford?

The Rape of Lucretia

RMAOK wrote: »

I'll probably vote independent

Voting independent is harmful to the formation of successful government and so is even worse than a spoiled vote.
Voting independent is just a form of anti-party tantrum that is cutting off ones nose to spite ones face. It does more harm than good, other than venting a little irrational frustration with whatever parties are in government.

Idbatterim

Agree with the above. The last thing we need is more hurler on the ditches, parish pump at its finest!

Pity I can’t vote for the uk conservatives. Maybe we could rejoin Great Britain!

realitykeeper

I would be pro life so that would exclude almost every candidate. If there are any pro life candidates running in my constituency, I would require them to be conservative, strong on environmental issues and very very right wing on the economy. The chances of there being any such candidate are zilch (unless I run myself which I won`t) so therefore it is fare to assume I shall not be voting ever again.

The Rape of Lucretia

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

What has he achieved for Waterford?

Represent the people of Waterford one would hope.
They have better options there though.
SF just pulled a clever marketing trick, being a party looking for a reason to exist, jumped onto the leftish ground taking advantage of the anti-labour pendulum being at its low point.Voting labour is fundamentally more conscionable if a desire to vote ever so slightly left is desired, but without the overhanging miasma of terrorism.

Idbatterim

realitykeeper wrote: »

I would be pro life so that would exclude almost every candidate. If there are any pro life candidates running in my constituency, I would require them to be strong on environmental issues and very very right wing on the economy. The chances of there being any such candidate are zilch (unless I run myself which I won`t) so therefore it is fare to assume I shall not be voting ever again.

Renua might run a candidate in your constituency! Pity the abortion issue scuppered them. Their candidate will have my first preference, Mickey Mouse will be getting my second preference

Liberta Per Gli Ultra

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Voting independent is harmful to the formation of successful government and so is even worse than a spoiled vote.
Voting independent is just a form of anti-party tantrum that is cutting off ones nose to spite ones face. It does more harm than good, other than venting a little irrational frustration with whatever parties are in government.

That's a load of ignorant, contradictory bullsh1t.

realitykeeper

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Voting independent is harmful to the formation of successful government and so is even worse than a spoiled vote.
Voting independent is just a form of anti-party tantrum that is cutting off ones nose to spite ones face. It does more harm than good, other than venting a little irrational frustration with whatever parties are in government.

You really think frustration with the government is irrational? I do not find them to be at all conservative or right wing or suitable to deal with environmental matters. None of the independents tick all boxes for me. I think most people who do vote for independents do so in the hope they will be called upon to support a government with a tight majority and they will be in a position to make demands for the constituency. I don`t agree with national politicians bribing locals anyway.

JohnnyFlash

Steve wrote: »

What irks me the most about FG is the housing crisis. A typical rental in Dublin is now €2000 / month. To pay that the tenant has to earn ~ €4000, the 'landlord' then pays €1000 in tax / prsi /USC.
So to stay in their home, the property owner gets €1000 and the tax man gets €3000. How is this fair?
Same with child care only there is VAT on top.

This is the FG way.

That's a very legitimate argument, and well made. Might get the standard of the place up a few notches yet.



We live in a country where parties have realised that indirect taxation is more palatable than direct taxation. And that the electorate want all the trappings of a social democracy, while wanting to pay as little tax as possible. That bit in the middle is democracy and Government.



So it's extremely easy for parties to make massive promises that deliver all the social democracy, while not taxing you 70% on the euro. They don't need to implement these things though. Talk is cheap.

realitykeeper

Idbatterim wrote: »

Renua might run a candidate in your constituency! Pity the abortion issue scuppered them. Their candidate will have my first preference, Mickey Mouse will be getting my second preference

Compromise on policy is a kind of subversion. What is the point in your candidate being elected if they change their policies from what is right to something else. At least in defeat, they can always say told you so when those with bad policies get elected by people who don`t know any better. The unenlightened will suffer the consequences until such time as they see sense.

Steve

Steve wrote: »

What irks me the most about FG is the housing crisis. A typical rental in Dublin is now €2000 / month. To pay that the tenant has to earn ~ €4000, the 'landlord' then pays €1000 in tax / prsi /USC.
So to stay in their home, the property owner gets €1000 and the tax man gets €3000. How is this fair?
Same with child care only there is VAT on top.

This is the FG way.

the property owner gets €1000 and the tax man gets €3000.

Should that not be €1,000 each?


The tax man will get a percentage of the 4k per month the tenant earns through income tax, etc. but they won't get more than 1k from the landlord, meaning directly from the house both the landlord and revenue get the same amount (€1k each, as opposed to 1k vs 3k)

Rubberchikken

i wont be voting. ever again. its a complete and utter waste of time and energy.

all politicians are a waste of space. none of them have an original thought. none if them truly want to stand up and be counted. they are all in it to line their own pockets, look after their own interests and reap whatever benefits they can, honestly or otherwise.

bitter...much? you bet:(

katiek102010

Honestly I don't have a clue.

I would usually vote tactically, but, there are no decent candidates at all in my area.

FG are the greatest shower of incompetent idiots that I have ever seen. In all fairness the local playschool would do a better job. Vradaker is nothing more than a poster boy to show how progressive Ireland has become, having a gay Indian man at the helm. He hasn't a frigging clue what to do.

I would rather chew my own arm off than vote for FF.

The cynical part of me thinks FG are currently leaking their feic ups to not get back in power as they can see a massive crash coming.

FF abstained from the no conference vote as they 100% believe in their smug little heads that they will be running the place next year and can blame the muppet for the next few years.

The thought of SF having all the power scares the life out of me.

I tried the i side with quizz online and the highest scores I got for anyone is in the 40's.

Tbh they are all ****e, we need some new blood

scudzilla

I'll be going Social Democrats (Ronan Moore) 1, Aontu (Padar Tobin) 2.

Voting for the person not the party, There's another guy who does a LOT for our community but he's FG and even though he's great i couldn't vote for that shower of c***ts

Tom Mann Centuria

Socialist (whatever name they have at the time) 1, Labour 2, Soc Dem (if they're standing locally) 3, Green 4, SF 5.

jimmycrackcorm

Steve wrote: »

What irks me the most about FG is the housing crisis. A typical rental in Dublin is now €2000 / month. To pay that the tenant has to earn ~ €4000, the 'landlord' then pays €1000 in tax / prsi /USC.
So to stay in their home, the property owner gets €1000 and the tax man gets €3000. How is this fair?
Same with child care only there is VAT on top.

This is the FG way.

I always find this a strange attitude.
Strange because FF / SF / et Al have no realistic proposals to increase housing supply.

In fact members of all the parties are regularly objecting to building developments. SF currently have a Rent freeze bill that is very populist in nature. But it does nothing to fix supply and can only have a negative effect over the long term.

Bishop of hope

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Im a believer we need to see one drastic change to get the country right. People need to be confident that we can do it. FF and FG have proved time and time again toxic for the country. It's a pity most people have such a fear of real change.

A pity most people have a fear of real change?

What change are you on about, I have no fear at all.
A lot of people have maybe and maybe for good reason.
I just don't believe that there will be any real change for the better with any of the alternatives.

howsshenow

Definitely not Fianna Fail

osarusan

When you look at the main issues such as housing and health, you realise that none of the parties have slightest notion or inclination of how to go about improving things. They are not even making good empty promises.

It's fairly disillusioning.

Feisar

If there is someone worth voting for I'll vote, otherwise I won't. Not looking good so far!

easy to see why people are disillusioned and disengaged from reading the thread

especially when you see how many of them treat their vote like a wonka golden ticket to have all their demands met

ye must go around very disappointed in real life id say

id never vote ff or sf, and pbp and ilk (including most indendents, alas) arent fit to be national legislators

neither are most of fg, lab, truth be told, but ill see who they, social democrats and greens offer in my area and vote accordingly, prob with fg down the ticket because they do need to get a kick in the arse

ff/fg govt has been excellent for stability, to the detriment of necessary action, but its difficult to see what a coherent govt looks like that isnt a similar fudge

facehugger99

Will do what I usually do - start at the bottom with the dregs I'd never vote for like SF, PBP, AAA, etc and slowly work my way upward until I'm left with the least objectionable candidates.

There's not a great choice TBH and I'm more motivated to vote by those I despise than by any love of the alternatives. I've come into contact with a number of TDs through my work and I wouldn't trust some of them to run a bath, never mind a country. It's frightening the calibre of people who put themselves forward and very easy to get disillusioned by it all.

LillySV

Strumms wrote: »

:P

You’d have to really be bonkers to touch FG... FF a lot of talent in the party just Martin seems like a savvy politician if you can get past the ‘personality’.... Leo while an outgoing fellow you certainly know that trustworthy and having the public interest as #1 won’t be his motivation for anything.

F Gail are the last crowd I’d vote for.... but I also think that f fail are a bad choice too...M Martin should’ve been forced to stand down long ago.... he’s led f fail for last few years and become fgs puppets.... m Martin wants a complete immediate ban on turf and wood also.... cut emissions on the middle earners and bankrupt them while they try heat home! Mean while the big boys in the companies buying massive trucks and jeeps, claiming back vat and claiming expenses... real gravy train for them... look at news the other day...abbot paying nothing on its massive profits yet the ordinary tax payer paying more and more hidden and additional taxes on everything ... not direct taxation though so when the figures are published it doesn’t look as bad as it is! No one can buy a house now .... loads in debt up to their neck to try keep their head above water... ridiculous

Moghead

realitykeeper wrote: »

I would be pro life so that would exclude almost every candidate. If there are any pro life candidates running in my constituency, I would require them to be conservative, strong on environmental issues and very very right wing on the economy. The chances of there being any such candidate are zilch (unless I run myself which I won`t) so therefore it is fare to assume I shall not be voting ever again.

Are there any right wing parties that are strong in environmental issues?

blanch152

Steve wrote: »

If count binface was running here he'd get my vote.

All FG did, as predicted, was tax anything that moved, and are still doing so. FF have no spine. Greens got some power recently and, guess what?, more taxes..

Bankergate.
Applegate.
Watergate.
Hospitalgate.
Printergate.
Swinggate.
Sewagegate.
Beefgate.

How anyone with conscience can ever vote for them again is beyond me.

The Greens haven't been in power since 2011. Where did they get more power recently?