Rosslare Container Migrants disappear from Direct Provision Centre

Boggles

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

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Grifter praying on simpletons.

Mr. teddywinkles

thegetawaycar wrote: »

I'm not sure I read all that correct and if I have some errors.

Can someone better informed confirm.

Is there creche/pre school facilities for DP inhabitants?
What happens to the medical card entitlements once someone is out of DP, asylum declined?
What does the clothing allowance consist of?

It certainly looks like most needs are well catered for in DP. The medical card is probably the best way to deal with the medical needs of asylum seekers but I would hope that once the application is reviewed it is removed.

Hopefully the immigration process gets updating soon. Review should happen much quicker, and all appeals should be worn out within 6 months of arriving to the country.

That way the people can move out of DP earlier freeing spaces for other asylum seekers and move on to living a normal life and integrating or returning to their home country.

It doesn't bode well that the most high profile asylum seekers can disappear, it would lead people to believe that anyone deemed not having refugee status can just leave DP and stay here on the tax payer.

All good n fine. Where they going house them all after. Think the whole thing should be reviewed as in stricter guidelines which qualifies for acceptance.

Boggles

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

All good n fine. Where they going house them all after. Think the whole thing should be reviewed as in stricter guidelines which qualifies for acceptance.

We are all ready historically one of the strictest in Europe.

What specific guidelines or criteria would you like to see changed or what current guidelines are you unhappy with?

emo72

Turn up with no documents in Australia America or Canada and what happens? I assumed we did the same here.

Mr. teddywinkles

Boggles wrote: »

We are all ready historically one of the strictest in Europe.

What specific guidelines or criteria would you like to see changed or what current guidelines are you unhappy with?

Yep those lads doing a runner is strict alright seems lax to me. As well as incompetence

Boggles

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

Yep those lads doing a runner is strict alright seems lax to me. As well as incompetence

So you would like to see Asylum Seekers imprisoned?

Del.Monte

emo72 wrote: »

Turn up with no documents in Australia America or Canada and what happens? I assumed we did the same here.

You're kidding right?

Del.Monte

Boggles wrote: »

So you would like to see Asylum Seekers imprisoned?

I would like to see people who arrive here with no identity documents detained until they can be properly checked-out and this does not mean just dumping them in some hotel where they can disappear from.

Spanish Eyes

Look, they are chancers, with a lot of money to pay traffickers. The traffickers are more than likely criminal elements too.

Ignore all this at our peril. But the do gooders will not see this.

We are conditioned to see all this as us being a really benevolent society. I have my sceptical hat on the right way now. It is ridiculous.

Are the Irish Navy and MSF etc. still rescuing all these people? Nothing wrong with that on a humanitarian level, but when it is organised by criminals, it just sends out the wrong signals. Ah sure give us the 5k, and if the boat goes belly up you'll be grand.

Surely our Government knows that the boat people/HGV infiltrators are not destitute and have made connections with nefarious forces to get them here.

Mr. teddywinkles

Del.Monte wrote: »

I would like to see people who arrive here with no identity documents detained until they can be properly checked-out and this does not mean just dumping them in some hotel where they can disappear from.

What this poster said

Boggles

Del.Monte wrote: »

I would like to see people who arrive here with no identity documents detained until they can be properly checked-out and this does not mean just dumping them in some hotel where they can disappear from.

How do you know they weren't?

mgn

Del.Monte wrote: »

I would like to see people who arrive here with no identity documents detained until they can be properly checked-out and this does not mean just dumping them in some hotel where they can disappear from.

And people who object to housing them in hotels, are branded racist.

mgn

Boggles wrote: »

How do you know they weren't?

How are you going to check them out with no passports or ID papers.

Boggles

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Are the Irish Navy and MSF etc. still rescuing all these people? Nothing wrong with that on a humanitarian level, but when it is organised by criminals, it just sends out the wrong signals. Ah sure give us the 5k, and if the boat goes belly up you'll be grand.

The Mediterranean is the most dangerous border in the world. The deadliest year so far was 2016: according to the International Organization for Migration (IOM), 3230 people died attempting the crossing.

Be grand sure.

:rolleyes:

Boggles

mgn wrote: »

How are you going to check them out with no passports or ID papers.

Was it reported they hadn't?

mgn

Boggles wrote: »

Was it reported they hadn't?

Don't be so stupid asking a question like that.

katiek102010

elperello wrote: »

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/asylum_seekers_and_refugees/services_for_asylum_seekers_in_ireland/direct_provision.html

This link shows the rates.
Adult €38.80 per week
Child €29.80 per week

This leaves a family of father mother and two children with a weekly cash income of €137.20.

Accommodation and food are provided.

Other details about Direct Provision are also in the link.

To be hones I wish we had that left after paying for accommodation, bills and food

Mr. teddywinkles

Boggles wrote: »

Be grand sure.

:rolleyes:

So what do you do to stop this do you think. Will we just send ferry's over and boat them into Europe. Or pick up and ship back to country of origin to stop it. Which ya think will prevent this. I'd say latter.

elperello

katiek102010 wrote: »

To be hones I wish we had that left after paying for accommodation, bills and food

That's fair comment.

I'd imagine there are quite a few families who would not have that much left over after paying for food, mortgage/rent, light, heat etc. etc.

Spanish Eyes

Getting the feeling that there are other forces behind all this. Not just our innate kindness to those in need.

Someone upthread mentioned PETER SUTHERLAND rip, who was totally in favour of "let them all in" and up the indigenous population no matter what.

Why?

Can't figure that out. But it must mean money somewhere for someone or something. It usually is.

AlekSmart

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Getting the feeling that there are other forces behind all this. Not just our innate kindness to those in need.

Someone upthread mentioned PETER SUTHERLAND rip, who was totally in favour of "let them all in" and up the indigenous population no matter what.

Why?

Can't figure that out. But it must mean money somewhere for someone or something. It usually is.

Any word on Mr Sutherlands will yet ?

Spanish Eyes

AlekSmart wrote: »

Any word on Mr Sutherlands will yet ?

Pay a fiver or so to the PROBATE Office and you will get the information. It is a public document.

But my guess is that it is all in Switzerland. Don't know the rules there sorry.

weldoninhio

road_high wrote: »

So CSO data is erroneous? Please explain

Explain their process to get the figures for remittances?? Do you believe them to be accurate??

bigroad

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Getting the feeling that there are other forces behind all this. Not just our innate kindness to those in need.

Someone upthread mentioned PETER SUTHERLAND rip, who was totally in favour of "let them all in" and up the indigenous population no matter what.

Why?

Can't figure that out. But it must mean money somewhere for someone or something. It usually is.

Coveney was his side kick so I would say a lot of sh1th would roll downhill from him.

bigroad

Are the Irish Navy still running a taxi service in the med,does anybody know.

4068ac1elhodqr

Another day and another incident of illegal trafficking of people across Ire & the UK in trucks and lorries. Today it's Cambridgeshire.
The 1st thing they did is arrest the ringleader, not bring tea and cakes.
Another one was taken away for being armed.

Yesterday, footage of ten men seen staggering from the back of a lorry near Abbey, Essex, emerged.
Again, all ten men and the driver were arrested (not allowed to roam loose), police said.

4068ac1elhodqr

bigroad wrote: »

Are the Irish Navy still running a taxi service in the med,does anybody know.

Think they had to give it up on account of bad PR, it likely started off well-meaning, but then the paid-for smaller NGO taxi-boats started drumming up extra bu$iness.

Many since went the Spanish route, dasing past sunbathers on beaches. In response Spain has since seen VOX double it's appeal across polls and elections.

wellwhynot

thegetawaycar wrote: »

I'm not sure I read all that correct and if I have some errors.

Can someone better informed confirm.

Is there creche/pre school facilities for DP inhabitants?
What happens to the medical card entitlements once someone is out of DP, asylum declined?
What does the clothing allowance consist of?

It certainly looks like most needs are well catered for in DP. The medical card is probably the best way to deal with the medical needs of asylum seekers but I would hope that once the application is reviewed it is removed.

Hopefully the immigration process gets updating soon. Review should happen much quicker, and all appeals should be worn out within 6 months of arriving to the country.

That way the people can move out of DP earlier freeing spaces for other asylum seekers and move on to living a normal life and integrating or returning to their home country.

It doesn't bode well that the most high profile asylum seekers can disappear, it would lead people to believe that anyone deemed not having refugee status can just leave DP and stay here on the tax payer.

I know that people who left DP and were put into houses in Tyrellstown got medical cards, transport to/from school, breakfast/lunch provided at school, free after school services and free adult education. There may be more but my friend only worked with the children so that was all she knew. This was in addition to all the welfare benefits. This was about 6 years ago, I don’t know what happens now. I don’t begrudge any of it as education is so important. However one thing stuck in my craw. One of new arrival’s children with a medical condition was flown to a hospital in Europe for an operation paid for by the state. A friend’s child with the same condition at the time had been on the waiting list for that operation in Ireland for coming up to 2 years.

wellwhynot

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Getting the feeling that there are other forces behind all this. Not just our innate kindness to those in need.

Someone upthread mentioned PETER SUTHERLAND rip, who was totally in favour of "let them all in" and up the indigenous population no matter what.

Why?

Can't figure that out. But it must mean money somewhere for someone or something. It usually is.

I initially thought it was to boost the population. As Merkel said these people would be paying for our pensions. Now everyone sees these are low skilled people with no hope in my lifetime of being net contributors, certainly not in Dublin.

My thoughts recently are that Europeans are a minority compared to Asia/Islam and we may be in big trouble in the future. Merkel wants a European army so either she wants to recruit these new arrivals or more likely she wants to assimilate them to protect Europe when it eventually kicks off.

mgn

I think people are starting to cop on to this at last, its being kept under the radar for long enough.
The refugees have being getting houses all around the country for the last few years, but that supply has now dried up, that's why there is no place in the centers anymore, no more houses for them.

One good thing might come out of the housing shortage yet,