Rosslare Container Migrants disappear from Direct Provision Centre

Pronto63

elperello wrote: »

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/asylum_seekers_and_refugees/services_for_asylum_seekers_in_ireland/direct_provision.html

This link shows the rates.
Adult €38.80 per week
Child €29.80 per week

This leaves a family of father mother and two children with a weekly cash income of €137.20.

Accommodation and food are provided.

Other details about Direct Provision are also in the link.

That's €7,134 per year without food and accommodation!

Why doesn't the government employ/train extra asylum processing officers to work through the backlog of asylum cases.

Employ an officer on €40k and if they process 6 cases a year we are actually saving money!

€7,134 x 6 = €42,806.

A saving of €2,806 based on processing 1 case every 2 months!

What am I missing here?


Anybody know what asylum seekers get in U.K., France & Germany?
What cash payments?
Direct provision?

enricoh

Zero political will for that pronto!
Anyone know the figures of how many spoofers get leave to remain each year?

jay0109

Pronto63 wrote: »

What am I missing here?

The leeches in the Legal Industry

Pronto63

jay0109 wrote: »

The leeches in the Legal Industry

Do asylum seekers get free legal aid?

jay0109

Pronto63 wrote: »

Do asylum seekers get free legal aid?

Of course! And the more appeals and reviews they have to go through, the bigger SUV and holiday house the solicitors can buy

strandroad

wellwhynot wrote: »

However one thing stuck in my craw. One of new arrival’s children with a medical condition was flown to a hospital in Europe for an operation paid for by the state. A friend’s child with the same condition at the time had been on the waiting list for that operation in Ireland for coming up to 2 years.

This is off topic, but anyone can avail of medical treatments and procedures including surgery in the EU and have it covered by HSE. It's likely that it was a valid option for your friend too, unless his child was not able to travel. I don't think it's common knowledge though.

wellwhynot

strandroad wrote: »

This is off topic, but anyone can avail of medical treatments and procedures including surgery in the EU and have it covered by HSE. It's likely that it was a valid option for your friend too, unless his child was not able to travel. I don't think it's common knowledge though.

I didn't know that and they didn't either. Very useful to know. I heard State paid for the flights/accommodation in this case. Is that the norm?

Mr. teddywinkles

Pronto63 wrote: »

Do asylum seekers get free legal aid?

No they get free everything else but legal aid. Come on man ya see the pattern.

elperello

Pronto63 wrote: »

That's €7,134 per year without food and accommodation!

Why doesn't the government employ/train extra asylum processing officers to work through the backlog of asylum cases.

Employ an officer on €40k and if they process 6 cases a year we are actually saving money!

€7,134 x 6 = €42,806.

A saving of €2,806 based on processing 1 case every 2 months!

What am I missing here?



Anybody know what asylum seekers get in U.K., France & Germany?
What cash payments?
Direct provision?

For a start those figures are for a family of four.

There is definitely a case for speeding up the process but it is not as easy as it looks at first sight.

Your figures for employing someone would need more scrutiny. The cost of an employee is more than the salary.


In the UK it is £37.75 per person in your household but you have to buy your own food out of that. Accommodation, health and education are covered.

https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

strandroad

wellwhynot wrote: »

I didn't know that and they didn't either. Very useful to know. I heard State paid for the flights/accommodation in this case. Is that the norm?

I'm not sure. I know people who had extensive treatment abroad but they are adults and I don't know how they sorted their travel.

mgn

strandroad wrote: »

This is off topic, but anyone can avail of medical treatments and procedures including surgery in the EU and have it covered by HSE. It's likely that it was a valid option for your friend too, unless his child was not able to travel. I don't think it's common knowledge though.

I think its a case of you have to pay for it upfront, and them the HSE reimburse you, a lot of people may not be in a position to do that.

wellwhynot

I wonder do the government think the current media propaganda on this issue works for a certain generation and they are relying on them for votes. Do they consider that most non-PC literate adults in this country have children/grandchildren/nieces/nephews who are able to keep them up to date on the non-censored media?

elperello

wellwhynot wrote: »

However one thing stuck in my craw. One of new arrival’s children with a medical condition was flown to a hospital in Europe for an operation paid for by the state. A friend’s child with the same condition at the time had been on the waiting list for that operation in Ireland for coming up to 2 years.

What should stick in your craw is that our dysfunctional health system left your friend's child on a waiting list for two years.

It would not help one innocent sick child to leave another innocent sick child suffering.

strandroad

mgn wrote: »

I think its a case of you have to pay for it upfront, and them the HSE reimburse you, a lot of people may not be in a position to do that.

No, there is no payment required. Once the application is approved, HSE will liaise with the delivering provider abroad to cover it.

mgn

strandroad wrote: »

No, there is no payment required. Once the application is approved, HSE will liaise with the delivering provider abroad to cover it.

Out of curiosity, do the pay for flights and accommodation upfront also.

strandroad

mgn wrote: »

Out of curiosity, do the pay for flights and accommodation upfront also.

I went and googled it out of curiosity, looks like for children they do, and for adults they might contribute based on circumstances but it's not a given:

Travel expenses
The Treatment Abroad Scheme does not cover travel or subsistence expenses for you or your relatives.

But we may provide assistance towards reasonable economic air or sea travel fares for you and a travelling companion where appropriate.

If the patient is under 18 or needs assistance when travelling for medical reasons, we will consider providing travel expenses once their application is approved.

https://www2.hse.ie/services/treatment-abroad-scheme/treatment-abroad-scheme-getting-treatment.html

elperello

mgn wrote: »

Out of curiosity, do the pay for flights and accommodation upfront also.

Yes for patient and travelling companion if necessary.

https://www.lenus.ie/bitstream/handle/10147/336887/nationaltreatmentpurchasefund.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

But we are getting way off topic.
The endemic problems of our health service are not caused by migrants/asylum seekers.

mgn

elperello wrote: »

Yes for patient and travelling companion if necessary.

https://www.lenus.ie/bitstream/handle/10147/336887/nationaltreatmentpurchasefund.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

But we are getting way off topic.
The endemic problems of our health service are not caused by migrants/asylum seekers.

None of the politicians care about the health service now, they're all on the climate change bandwagon.

wellwhynot

elperello wrote: »

What should stick in your craw is that our dysfunctional health system left your friend's child on a waiting list for two years.

It would not help one innocent sick child to leave another innocent sick child suffering.

I do not begrudge the child who got the treatment whatsoever and never said I did. I believed but have since been corrected that there was a two tier system whereby the newcomers jump to the top of the list. I acknowledged the poster who told me otherwise.

Pronto63

elperello wrote: »

For a start those figures are for a family of four.

There is definitely a case for speeding up the process but it is not as easy as it looks at first sight.

Your figures for employing someone would need more scrutiny. The cost of an employee is more than the salary.


In the UK it is £37.75 per person in your household but you have to buy your own food out of that. Accommodation, health and education are covered.

https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

Family of 4 is a good average. Also haven't included the cost of food, accommodation & medical card. Also I've based it on doing 1 case every 2 months which is a very low base.

Thanks for UK info.

elperello

wellwhynot wrote: »

I do not begrudge the child who got the treatment whatsoever and never said I did. I believed but have since been corrected that there was a two tier system whereby the newcomers jump to the top of the list. I acknowledged the poster who told me otherwise.

Sorry if it appeared that I was calling you a begrudger. That was not my intention.

It is a mark of our humanity that we would look after all sick children no matter what their immigration status.

Deleted User

@ Boggles. Could you answer this one, please? Since you seem to be so against any degree of the detaining of Asylum seekers.

Deleted User wrote: »

True enough, however, border checks are also there to reinforce the safety of the citizens of the nation by not letting in criminals or those who are of dubious backgrounds.

These migrants claimed asylum but left before they were processed. We have no idea of their real backgrounds, or whether they're wanted for crimes in other countries. We don't know if they're fundamentalists with a hatred of the west, or genuine asylum seekers. We don't know how thorough the police/government checks of them were, because the government rushed to use this as a publicity stunt. Which, to be fair, suggests that such background checks were probably rushed... and so, these people could easily be wanted for serious crimes in other nations.

The fact is that we don't know. That's not to say, though, that we should simply allow everyone to claim asylum and then be free to travel around Ireland. The risks are too high.

elperello

Pronto63 wrote: »

Family of 4 is a good average. Also haven't included the cost of food, accommodation & medical card. Also I've based it on doing 1 case every 2 months which is a very low base.

Thanks for UK info.

I don't know the average family group number but a lot seem to be individuals.

Yes you are right about the food and accommodation. Figures are available.

For more than financial reasons quicker decision making would improve matters but I wouldn't like it to be at the expense of good decision making.

You are welcome.

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

@ Boggles. Could you answer this one, please? Since you seem to be so against any degree of the detaining of Asylum seekers.

Jesus, shilling your own posts is top work. But you didn't actually ask a question, so what exactly do you want me to answer?

Your post is basically a monologue of your own assumptions.

katiek102010

Pronto63 wrote: »

That's €7,134 per year without food and accommodation!

Why doesn't the government employ/train extra asylum processing officers to work through the backlog of asylum cases.

Employ an officer on €40k and if they process 6 cases a year we are actually saving money!

€7,134 x 6 = €42,806.

A saving of €2,806 based on processing 1 case every 2 months!

What am I missing here?


Anybody know what asylum seekers get in U.K., France & Germany?
What cash payments?
Direct provision?

In the UK its the same payments, think its an EU direction. If they have legal existing family they are sent to them for housing.
Illegal immigrants are kept initially in detention centres and either deported ( getting rarer through bleeding heart do gooders) or if they have a legitimate claim its processed through a similar system to direct provision

Not to long ago over an asylum seeker raped a woman and was being deported after serving his sentence. On the plane so idiot kicked up blue murder over the poor deportee and held up the plane etc. They had to remove him to get the plane to take off.

They are still trying to get rid. On my phone and can't post a link but Google it and it will come up

This fella, Katie?

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2018/10/14/man-whose-deportation-was-blocked-by-passengers-revealed-as-convicted-gang-rapist-8036129/amp/



https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/uk-news/rapist-yaqub-ahmed-whose-deportation-16403396.amp

Del.Monte

Boggles wrote: »

Jesus, shilling your own posts is top work. But you didn't actually ask a question, so what exactly do you want me to answer?

Your post is basically a monologue of your own assumptions.

No answers so? Just do away with all border controls - such as they are - and everyone in like the Rugby Ads? :rolleyes:

katiek102010

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

This fella, Katie?

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2018/10/14/man-whose-deportation-was-blocked-by-passengers-revealed-as-convicted-gang-rapist-8036129/amp/



https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/uk-news/rapist-yaqub-ahmed-whose-deportation-16403396.amp

Thats him but he is still there. There was a last minute appeal and it hasn't been heard as far as I'm aware. I saw an article this week whereby his victim was saying she can't yet fully recover because of all the current media coverage over by the do gooders

Boggles

Del.Monte wrote: »

No answers so?

Have you some sort comprehension difficulty? They didn't ask a question.

Del.Monte wrote: »

Just do away with all border controls

Why would anyone do that?

Del.Monte wrote: »

- such as they are - and everyone in like the Rugby Ads? :rolleyes:

Literally not a scooby. Means nothing to me.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

Jesus, shilling your own posts is top work. But you didn't actually ask a question, so what exactly do you want me to answer?

Your post is basically a monologue of your own assumptions.

Actually, the question was pretty obvious... Guess you need a "?" before you'll consider actually responding with something of value. I'd like to pin you down to actually giving your actual stance on the subject rather than constantly dodging with vague nonsense.

Since these "migrants" have had no background confirmed, and skipped the asylum processing, under what conditions would you believe that claimant asylum seekers should be detained or monitored? If you're still against migrants being detained until their backgrounds are confirmed, I'd like you to justify that stance, taking into account the inherent risks in having migrants from a war-torn land arrive. (justify is also considered a question.]

(No need to comment on asylum seekers who have come from a country not at war, and no, I'm not talking about their last port, as in France)

There you go. Two definite questions. One with a "?" and one without.