Dublin Marathon moves to lottery entries!

tomwaits48

can some clarify something for me please, who "owns" the Dublin marathon? Is there a limited company behind it or is it purely volunteer led?

niallo32

tomwaits48 wrote: »

can some clarify something for me please, who "owns" the Dublin marathon? Is there a limited company behind it or is it purely volunteer led?

Company details and directors are here:

http://kbcdublinmarathon.ie/contact-us/

kilns

skyblue46 wrote: »

There are many ifs, ands, pots and pans about how things will work out. Let's just let it play out. There will be places for most who want to take part.

if aint broke why fix it then?

I understand from an organisation point of view why they did it but why didnt they just say that, the initiall decision was not participant friendly

EC1000

nannerby wrote: »

So the problem with the Nationals hasnt changed.

It has in so far as anyone who gets an entry (as a result of running in the last 3 years) wont have to rely on GFA to get in. This will give comfort to a lot of runners who would otherwise miss out.

chickey2

tomwaits48 wrote: »

can some clarify something for me please, who "owns" the Dublin marathon? Is there a limited company behind it or is it purely volunteer led?

This is on the website:

About the KBC Dublin Marathon Race Organisers:

The KBC Dublin Marathon is run by a volunteer board under the auspices of Marathon Events Management DAC, a not for profit company, with any surplus funds generated from the organisation, promotion, development and management of the KBC Dublin Marathon and Race Series reinvested in the following year’s events.

MacSwifty

Question?

Will DCM 2021 have the "original lottery system"?

and if so will we be back to square one this time next year?

I feel because of the "feedback" we may be only getting a reprieve for 2020 and then the lottery system will be introduced

Cheers MacSwifty

rovers_runner

chickey2 wrote: »

This is on the website:

About the KBC Dublin Marathon Race Organisers:

The KBC Dublin Marathon is run by a volunteer board under the auspices of Marathon Events Management DAC, a not for profit company, with any surplus funds generated from the organisation, promotion, development and management of the KBC Dublin Marathon and Race Series reinvested in the following year’s events.

To their credit they have always been very transparent about this.
I'd say they barely break even most years.

Compare that with the WMM company who employee a number of people to run the 10K in June and it's amazing what they achieve with a team of volunteers.

Jakey Rolling

So hopefully the Data Protection commissioner hasn't made them delete email addresses of 2016 entrants under GPDR!

Begs the question though, how long they can reasonably keep your details on file. Not that I'm complaining.

Singer

chickey2 wrote: »

The KBC Dublin Marathon is run by a volunteer board under the auspices of Marathon Events Management DAC, a not for profit company, with any surplus funds generated from the organisation, promotion, development and management of the KBC Dublin Marathon and Race Series reinvested in the following year’s events.

Also it's not exactly a secret that a price increase is needed for the marathon to survive because of increased costs. A lot of the cynicism towards DCM that came out as soon as the lottery proposal was announced was based on fairly wild assumptions.

Zebra3

Jakey Rolling wrote: »

So hopefully the Data Protection commissioner hasn't made them delete email addresses of 2016 entrants under GPDR!

Begs the question though, how long they can reasonably keep your details on file. Not that I'm complaining.

2016 isn't good enough to get in for 2020.

Jakey Rolling

Zebra3 wrote: »

2016 isn't good enough to get in for 2020.

Thanks, I misread that somehow. Have 2017 under my belt so all good!

PhilOssophy

I'm by no means an expert here but I honestly think most people who want to run will get to.
There will be a huge amount of refunds, nothing twigs hype and excitement like a lottery. Plenty of people will register, do a half marathon and realise how far it is, refund please!!
To me, the only mistake they are making is that they should have a final refund window a few weeks before the marathon. This is when people get injured, etc.

rom

Ran Berlin when you could just enter. They introduced a lottery then it’s 1 in 4 get in. There will be travel companies that will have packages. They should have 1/2 times also in gfa like New York. It could be a good thing if there is a fast gfa wave strictly introduced. At present wave 1 is too slow but in adopting the gfa they need to treat those athletes well for getting in.

Cona

PhilOssophy wrote: »

I'm by no means an expert here but I honestly think most people who want to run will get to.
There will be a huge amount of refunds, nothing twigs hype and excitement like a lottery. Plenty of people will register, do a half marathon and realise how far it is, refund please!!
To me, the only mistake they are making is that they should have a final refund window a few weeks before the marathon. This is when people get injured, etc.

The problem with having a refund window a week or two before the close is that it doesn’t really give someone the chance to train properly. Not everybody would be willing to take a marathon entry 2 weeks beforehand and would require a bit more notice. It’s not DCM fault if you get injured or decide not to run, and they shouldn’t be held applicable, they have to plan and prepare a lot more in advance than you so I agree with not having refunds that late.
That being said, they could have a system where you can do a change of name...but really that doesn’t matter too much either as lots of people take someone else’s number and run on the day....

Murph_D

rom wrote: »

Ran Berlin when you could just enter. They introduced a lottery then it’s 1 in 4 get in. There will be travel companies that will have packages. They should have 1/2 times also in gfa like New York. It could be a good thing if there is a fast gfa wave strictly introduced. At present wave 1 is too slow but in adopting the gfa they need to treat those athletes well for getting in.

There is no talk of a ‘fast gfa wave’. It’s just a last resort for speedier club runners who missed the lottery. Should the M75 gfa be up front in this gfa wave?

PhilOssophy

Cona wrote: »

The problem with having a refund window a week or two before the close is that it doesn’t really give someone the chance to train properly. Not everybody would be willing to take a marathon entry 2 weeks beforehand and would require a bit more notice. It’s not DCM fault if you get injured or decide not to run, and they shouldn’t be held applicable, they have to plan and prepare a lot more in advance than you so I agree with not having refunds that late.
That being said, they could have a system where you can do a change of name...but really that doesn’t matter too much either as lots of people take someone else’s number and run on the day....

You are absolutely right, but if if I didn't come out of the lottery but knew I could get a place a couple of weeks before the marathon, I'd probably train on the basis that I'll get one of the entries from someone who got injured

solidasarock

Happy they stepped back off the ledge.

At least now the door is open to at least discuss how to evolve entry.

But now that the event is pretty much a guaranteed sellout and the lottery is here to stay, some kind of way to defer a place a year is needed.

A year is a long time and life can get in the way between now and next year. People can make babies in that time. Or change jobs and move. Or decide to run Amsterdam or Frankfort instead.

Simmer down

Lottery application link:

https://eventmaster.ie/event/WPQh65i0j

micar

Simmer down wrote: »

Lotto link:

https://eventmaster.ie/event/WPQh65i0j

Field to select quantity locked. Same with proceed button.

Can't currently get a ticket.....as it open at 9am

Simmer down

micar wrote: »

Can't currently get a ticket.....as it open at 9am

They've changed it now until 12 noon.

micar

Simmer down wrote: »

They've changed it now until 12 noon.

Perhaps those who ran in the last 3 years are able purchase a ticket with a "code"

I'll need to wait to till noon.

Tigerandahalf

If you ran in the previous 3 years do you just wait to receive the email link?

Thanks

BrokenMan

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

If you ran in the previous 3 years do you just wait to receive the email link?

Thanks

Yes. It’ll be sent out at 12 apparently

morceli

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

If you ran in the previous 3 years do you just wait to receive the email link?

Thanks

Think it’s if you have entered in the previous 3 years. Don’t need to have actually ran or finished .

andrew1977

My code arrived just after 11 via email , signed up , paid, done and dusted, all sorted.

tunney

andrew1977 wrote: »

My code arrived just after 11 via email , signed up , paid, done and dusted, all sorted.

Not got mine yet

opus

I took part in '17 so imagine I'll get one of those codes at some stage today, it's funny I'd no real interest in entering next year but all this fuss has made me want to Presume that's what FOMO does to you!

Peckham

opus wrote: »

I took part in '17 so imagine I'll get one of those codes at some stage today, it's funny I'd no real interest in entering next year but all this fuss has made me want to Presume that's what FOMO does to you!

Snap. I thought I was finished with DCM, and wasn't bothered about entering the lottery. Now I've got guaranteed entry having last run it in 2017, I'm tempted to go again!

corcaigh07

Just entered, ran in 18. Here we go again!

cullenswood

Looks to me like the code isn't linked to your name?? Does this mean people can just give the code to someone else (I know that is against the rules etc, but seems to be possible)

PIORUN

still no email and i've ran the last 3 years..yikes!!

robinph

No email for me either...

hawkwing

robinph wrote: »

No email for me either...

Same here,tick tock

Van.Bosch

Panic Time!!!!!

Sending 20,000 odd emails takes time, I’ll give it to COB.

micar

Simmer down wrote: »

They've changed it now until 12 noon.

Registered now....fingers crossed for January.

edit_me

I would say they sending emails in "waves". :rolleyes:

corcaigh07

cullenswood wrote: »

Looks to me like the code isn't linked to your name?? Does this mean people can just give the code to someone else (I know that is against the rules etc, but seems to be possible)

I think so, codes will definitely be passed on to new entrants I reckon.

adrian522

Please note this link is for you only and cannot be transferred to a third party. This is your opportunity to register as a priority entrant.

That's a quote from the email so assume they can't be shared to someone else, and evenif they can it should be easy enough to cancel entries where the code doesn't match the name on the entry.

solidasarock

Done the last 3 marathons.

Still no email.

rovers_runner

Just spoke with office
Code is unique for each entry
Emails going out in waves throughout the day, I'm not going to say how many emails there are as there will be riots......

beertons

Lottery ticket bought.

Cabaal

Last ran in 2017, not changed email since and no email yet

rovers_runner wrote: »

Just spoke with office
Code is unique for each entry
Emails going out in waves throughout the day, I'm not going to say how many emails there are as there will be riots......

They are not handling this well,
Telling everyone they'll get emails at 12pm and then telling people it'll be waves throughout the day are very different things

rovers_runner

Cabaal wrote: »

Last ran in 2017, not changed email since and no email yet




They are not handling this well,
Telling everyone they'll get emails at 12pm and then telling people it'll be waves throughout the day are very different things

The website would have a meltdown if they did everyone at 12PM.
Doesn't seem fair though as potentially all entries could be gone half way through the process....

robinph

rovers_runner wrote: »

The website would have a meltdown if they did everyone at 12PM.
Doesn't seem fair though as potentially all entries could be gone half way through the process....

Thought you weren't going to mention the numbers.

20 Times 20 Times

I ran 2 of the last 3 and no email yet - Again the handling of this is so bad , telling people one thing then doing another. No doubt that the early bird of 70euro is now gone as well.

rovers_runner

robinph wrote: »

Thought you weren't going to mention the numbers.

Should have said in theory :pac:

Higgins5473

Cabaal wrote: »

Last ran in 2017, not changed email since and no email yet




They are not handling this well,
Telling everyone they'll get emails at 12pm and then telling people it'll be waves throughout the day are very different things

I dont know if its been changed but this is whats on the site:

There is a guarantee of a race entry for anyone who has participated in one of the last three editions of the KBC Dublin Marathon namely, the 2017, 2018 or 2019 event, they will get a code starting from 12 noon on 1st November and have 72 hours to enter.

Cabaal

Higgins5473 wrote: »

I dont know if its been changed but this is whats on the site:

There is a guarantee of a race entry for anyone who has participated in one of the last three editions of the KBC Dublin Marathon namely, the 2017, 2018 or 2019 event, they will get a code starting from 12 noon on 1st November and have 72 hours to enter.

Their twitter post says otherwise

Participants of the 2017, 2018 & 2019 events will then receive an email at 12pm with the URL & code for guaranteed entry with 72hrs to avail of the offer

They might want to stay on message to set correct expectations :pac:

Be interesting to see if they edit it
https://twitter.com/dublinmarathon/status/1190180339009933312

edit_me

For god sake lads - stop complaining...

Chris871

Theres a 72 hour window from noon today, no need to panic. You'll get your place.