Nissan Ariya

JohnC.

Okay, it's a concept car, but unlike most concepts with far out looks and strange ideas, this looks ready to go in the showroom. It was just shown at the Tokyo Motor Show. Sadly there's next to nothing in the way of specs yet. Just that it's designed for twin motors to enable all-wheel drive. And a 12.3 inch screen on a system containing just a single physical knob.

They say it has ProPilot 2, allowing features like changing lanes and navigating exits itself. It's a little shorter and wider than X-Trail. Nissan R&D boss told Top Gear that the secrecy around the drivetrain is because there may be a technological breakthrough on the horizon.

A selection of basic angles, more pics at the links

I like it, and I like the fact all wheel drive is mentioned, one of the single greatest issues I could not drive a leaf/Kona is the absolute horrific lack of grip, they won't be the only FWD EV with this issue of running a lot of power.

I wish more manufacturers would have a BMW Idrive like system instead of touchscreen , it has to be experienced to understand that touch screens in a car offer a very poor experience by comparison.

Old diesel

Chademo is a no no.

Hopefully they might decide to change that for Europe (no mention of it though) but everyone else including Tesla are going for CCS compatibility.

Nissan's Chademo stance is going to be an issue.

This would be a better more usable car if it could avail of CCS with Ionity.

Old diesel

Old diesel wrote: »

Chademo is a no no.

Hopefully they might decide to change that for Europe (no mention of it though) but everyone else including Tesla are going for CCS compatibility.

Nissan's Chademo stance is going to be an issue.

This would be a better more usable car if it could avail of CCS with Ionity.

Absolutely, to be honest they will have to meet the requirements of the European market or they will make their EV's a lot less attractive.

Creamy Goodness

Looks better than a Juke/Qashqai which isn't saying much but an improvement nonetheless.

krissovo

This is based on the new Nissan/mitsubishi/ Renault CMF platform and it looks interesting and a real challenger to the new platforms coming online.

JohnC.

The issue of whether it will have CCS here or not aside, how about the placement of the charge port? Could that be a problem considering how short some CCS public cables can be?

Gile_na_gile

As you say, just a concept car yet promising. The dash design is the best approximation to the M3 challenge I have seen, with sufficient physical controls built into a refined simple surface. It has the aggressive lines of the IPace but one thing I don't like about the Jag is the overwrought sympathy to its ICE heritage, particularly on the inside, complete with artificial vroom vrooms. This looks better.

Silent Running

Looks like this might be available for 211. Sits just above the Cashcow in size. Talk about a 300 mile range. But it might be expensive and no mention if it gets CCS.

For those that like a crossover it might be interesting. For those that don't like the form factor... nothing to see here.

https://www.caranddriver.com/nissan/ariya

liamog

Planned reveal is July 15th.

Zenith74

Silent Running wrote: »

no mention if it gets CCS.

The only thing that would fit in that small port on the side would be CCS perhaps?

Nissan leaf different body, same crappy battery.

Zenith74

Love the Leaf, just bought my third one last week and find the battery issues vastly overblown. If the Ariya was available I would have had one instead as some more space would be nice. In saying that, articles like this one (https://insideevs.com/news/377633/nissan-ariya-child-leaf-rogue/) indicate the Ariya will have a liquid cooled battery pack.

gomamochi1

Any sign of an affordable 7 seater ev coming our way. Sick of putting kids in de
Boot!

Old diesel

Official reveal this morning.

CCS charging and liquid cooled battery.

130 kw charging.

Two battery sizes - 63 and 87 kwh usable.

Front wheel drive and AWD options.

22 kw AC charging on the 87 kwh models.

310 miles claimed range on the 2wd 87 kwh model.

liamog

Expected late 2021 in the UK, skip to 15:30

Zenith74

I know the Leaf gets a fair bit of bashing on here, but reality is it's a lovely car to drive, reliable as hell and the latest generation is a real refinement of the previous versions. Fix CHAdeMO, battery cooling and tuen the efficiency and you'd have a killer EV. So I'm super excited to see at least two of those big items ticked off in the Ariya.

You'd have to assume if this is coming with CCS the Leaf will be changed over around the same time as well, having CHAdeMO and CCS cars on European showroom floors would be madness surely.

liamog

They've really listened and fixed the issues I had with the Nissan Leaf.
Liquid cooling the battery, and the standardisation to CCS in the EU.

ELM327

CCS charging is a big step forward, as is liquid cooling.

It looks nice too. I said I'd personally never buy another nissan after the leaf fiasco, but this one will sell like wildfire.

ELM327

Old diesel wrote: »

Official reveal this morning.

CCS charging and liquid cooled battery.

130 kw charging.

Two battery sizes - 63 and 87 kwh usable.

Front wheel drive and AWD options.

22 kw AC charging on the 87 kwh models.

310 miles claimed range on the 2wd 87 kwh model.

Rear wheel drive or AWD options


https://www.carscoops.com/2020/07/2021-nissan-ariya-has-concept-looks-and-up-to-380-miles-of-range/
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/bold-new-nissan-ariya-pivotal-electric-suv-310-mile-range
https://www.whatcar.com/news/2021-nissan-ariya-electric-suv-revealed-price-specs-and-release-date/n21671

liamog

Towing capacity too, if they can release a 6/7 seater like they do with the cashcow then this will be gold.

Depending on cost.

JPA

It might be in a price range that people would not normally pay for a Nissan.

slave1

Nice to see the 3 phase charging AC

My guess it will be too expensive for most People who would buy a Nissan but in 2 or 3 years it could be great value.

Irishjg

Is the standard model FWD or RWD ? I’m reading conflicting answers on various online sites.

ELM327

Irishjg wrote: »

Is the standard model FWD or RWD ? I’m reading conflicting answers on various online sites.

RWD according to press release and nissan graphic.

80sDiesel

Standard is fwd and longer version is rwd.(e4force) available on both.

Irishjg

80sDiesel wrote: »

Standard is fwd and longer version is rwd.(e4force) available on both.

... so the standard battery version is FWD while the larger battery is RWD. Sorry that doesn’t sound right to me at all.

80sDiesel

Irishjg wrote: »

... so the standard battery version is FWD while the larger battery is RWD. Sorry that doesn’t sound right to me at all.

That’s what I got from the fully charged video.

Irishjg

I’d say booby L got that one wrong TBH. He’s entertaining but that’s as far as I would go with his tech info.

Zenith74

ELM327 wrote: »

RWD according to press release and nissan graphic.

That's not my reading of the press release, seems more like FWD or AWD -

"In the rear, the suspension packaging, including the multi-link system and rear electric motor (if equipped)"

"On models equipped with e-4ORCE, regenerative torque is distributed not only to the front wheels, but also the rear."

Doesn't seem to state anything specifically though...

Irishjg

Zenith74 wrote: »

That's not my reading of the press release, seems more like FWD or AWD -

"In the rear, the suspension packaging, including the multi-link system and rear electric motor (if equipped)"

"On models equipped with e-4ORCE, regenerative torque is distributed not only to the front wheels, but also the rear."

Doesn't seem to state anything specifically though...

That was my opinion too. Thanks Zenith. If it turns out to be FWD rather than RWD that’s a disappointment to me.

ELM327

It does seem to have changed from the initial press release and even the graphics in most videos showing RWD and AWD.
Seems to have been FWD all along, which is disappointing. Another relic of fossil fuel cars

Zenith74

ELM327 wrote: »

It does seem to have changed from the initial press release and even the graphics in most videos showing RWD and AWD.
Seems to have been FWD all along, which is disappointing. Another relic of fossil fuel cars

Really is a bummer, especially considering there's an AWD version so they presumably could have chosen to leave out either motor without any changes to the design.

krissovo

ELM327 wrote: »

It does seem to have changed from the initial press release and even the graphics in most videos showing RWD and AWD.
Seems to have been FWD all along, which is disappointing. Another relic of fossil fuel cars

I was excited for the platform with rear wheel drive and very good interior but front wheel drive is such a shame. The Kona / Niro torque steer and wheel spin is not an endearing feature for otherwise nice platforms and I would bet money the Ariya will suffer in a similar way just like every other FWD car.

Zenith74

krissovo wrote: »

I would bet money the Ariya will suffer in a similar way just like every other FWD car.

I recently got a Leaf e+ which has a fair bit more power than the older Leafs, but Nissan have tamed the power quite a bit at lower speeds, it's noticeably slower 'off the mark' than a Leaf24 but is much stronger after that.

Having driven a Kona I think you're being charitable saying it is not endearing , it's downright unpleasant to drive aggressively. The e+ is nothing like it, but similar power/torque/weight. I'd imagine Nissan will manage the power output similar to the e+ and it won't be anything like how skitterish the Kona is.

80sDiesel

I would be tempted by the e4orce. Add propilot 2 and could be (for me) a contender for the cybertruck. As much as I want the latter, and I need 4x4 , it might just be a bit too impractical giving its proportions.

Busman Paddy Lasty

The FWD 63kWh Ariya is a good match for the Kona/Niro/Soul EVs. It appears larger and more premium by comparison but the WLTP of 370km doesn't look great against the Kona's 449km figure. Hopefully that's conservative and it ends up above 400km.

Gile_na_gile

Zenith74 wrote: »

I recently got a Leaf e+ ...

Nobody has given their thoughts here on L62 ownership. How are you finding the e+? I'd swap to it if possible from L40, but now with CCS about to be the norm for all new sales in Ireland (& Europe) I would only consider bargains on SH market and a good sale price for L40 and look to SH M3 when they drop below 40k. Another negative is that the e+ was retrofitted to not charge over 50Kw so the new 150Kw chargers will not make a big difference.



The Ariya looks great as another sizeable machine, but am not mad about Crossover designs as they are less efficient SUV-imitators, however the high ride position has its advantages on rural roads. I find the LEAF a good compromise as it sits high and is quite similar to the old Focus.

Lantus

Zenith74 wrote: »

You'd have to assume if this is coming with CCS the Leaf will be changed over around the same time as well, having CHAdeMO and CCS cars on European showroom floors would be madness surely.

I think Nissan will have just the one ev moving forwards if rumours are true.

Zenith74

Gile_na_gile wrote: »

Nobody has given their thoughts here on L62 ownership. How are you finding the e+? I'd swap to it if possible from L40, but now with CCS about to be the norm for all new sales in Ireland (& Europe) I would only consider bargains on SH market and a good sale price for L40 and look to SH M3 when they drop below 40k. Another negative is that the e+ was retrofitted to not charge over 50Kw so the new 150Kw chargers will not make a big difference.

With everything going on I haven’t driven it a huge amount, but drove down from NI (200km used 60% of the battery, half that was motorway set to 130km/h) and lots of local journeys. Coming from a Leaf24. Personally I love the Leaf, fairly premium interior, smooth and enjoyable to drive, plenty of tech that actually works, much bigger than people realise, depreciation pretty reasonable these days.

Yes CHAdeMO is a bummer, but with enough range to drive to most places in Ireland non-stop it’s not a major issue for me and we’re years from CHAdeMO being removed from charging locations. I think the e+ can do 100kW charging, averaging 75kW or something? But again not a big issue for me.

Battery degradation is really not that big a deal, my 6 year old Leaf24 sold with 86% SOH and no questions asked, it’s just baked into the depreciated cost. Leaf62 will need to be charged less for obvious reasons, charging is spread over more cells, better chemistry etc. I mean I’d prefer it degraded less quickly, but it’s a minor issue.

The fact the likes of the eNiro can do an extra 75-100km on a similar battery is a shame, but for my use a complete non issue.

I think the Leaf40 is a great deal for somebody buying a SH EV today (€20k for a 2018 with loads of tech) and I reckon the Leaf62 will be a cracking deal when you can get them for €20k in a couple of years time.

The Leaf gets way more flack than it deserves on this forum. I tried the Kona, Niro, M3, MS, i3, E-tron and still chose the e+ (though mostly on price compared to the e-trim/MS) to be fair :-).

JohnC.

Lantus wrote: »

I think Nissan will have just the one ev moving forwards if rumours are true.

Just one? Seems odd. Aren't some of the others aiming to have a EV version of most or all their range?

liamog

Lantus wrote: »

I think Nissan will have just the one ev moving forwards if rumours are true.

They're introducing a new electrified platform with the Ariya, it's the first model on the platform. You don't talk about a new platform unless you are planning on introducing a range of models.

krissovo

Zenith74 wrote: »

. Personally I love the Leaf, fairly premium interior, smooth and enjoyable to drive, plenty of tech that actually works, much bigger than people realise, depreciation pretty reasonable these days.

+1 for me, as a family we regret selling the L40 as we all loved it. However the battery life was a concern and would have been an issue for my work (pre covid) and I sold it without losing much as Nissan raised the price after I bought it by a couple of thousand.

Lantus

liamog wrote: »

They're introducing a new electrified platform with the Ariya, it's the first model on the platform. You don't talk about a new platform unless you are planning on introducing a range of models.

Would make sense and in time Nissan will reveal more info. The strategy is to move towards luxury high end products so if the the current leaf is ré imagined or ré purposed remains to be seen.

cros13

Lantus wrote: »

I think Nissan will have just the one ev moving forwards if rumours are true.

If that's what you are hearing... it's wrong. They have at least five new models on the way, incl. Ariya and the new EV sedan. I was told in addition to those the Micra will also finally be launching an EV trim next year (it shares a platform with the Zoe/Clio).

I also got indicative pricing for Ireland, not sure if I'm supposed to share, but base 63kWh two motor starting price lower than previously announced, ~€45k. And the top spec e-4orce 87kWh will be mid €70k-ish.

80sDiesel

cros13 wrote: »

If that's what you are hearing... it's wrong. They have at least five new models on the way, incl. Ariya and the new EV sedan. I was told in addition to those the Micra will also finally be launching an EV trim next year (it shares a platform with the Zoe/Clio).

I also got indicative pricing for Ireland, not sure if I'm supposed to share, but base 63kWh two motor starting price lower than previously announced, ~€45k. And the top spec e-4orce 87kWh will be mid €70k-ish.

Interesting. I registered my interest last week on one. Big fan of how they embraced Japanese Ma. ( was impressed so much at their new design philosophy that I did a yolo on Nissan stock also).

Thierry12

cros13 wrote: »

If that's what you are hearing... it's wrong. They have at least five new models on the way, incl. Ariya and the new EV sedan. I was told in addition to those the Micra will also finally be launching an EV trim next year (it shares a platform with the Zoe/Clio).

I also got indicative pricing for Ireland, not sure if I'm supposed to share, but base 63kWh two motor starting price lower than previously announced, ~€45k. And the top spec e-4orce 87kWh will be mid €70k-ish.

Good to have you back cros

Nissan using own cells or a battery giant?

Did they ever get rid of AESC or will they be using them for non premium stuff like the Micra?

Without Ghosn its hard to see them sharing platforms with the Alliance, think they gonna die by the sword in Europe like Mitsubishi in years to come

Brand is in the gutter right now in Europe and Dacia has the lower end, don't know where they can go

80sDiesel

cros13 wrote: »

If that's what you are hearing... it's wrong. They have at least five new models on the way, incl. Ariya and the new EV sedan. I was told in addition to those the Micra will also finally be launching an EV trim next year (it shares a platform with the Zoe/Clio).

I also got indicative pricing for Ireland, not sure if I'm supposed to share, but base 63kWh two motor starting price lower than previously announced, ~€45k. And the top spec e-4orce 87kWh will be mid €70k-ish.

The new qashqai is reportedly also coming with E Power. Basically a Rex with a tiny battery. Very popular in Japan in the note.

cros13

80sDiesel wrote: »

The new qashqai is reportedly also coming with E Power. Basically a Rex with a tiny battery. Very popular in Japan in the note.

A revised e-power designed for europe is on the way for several models (Nissan is going to drop diesel and go with EV & e-power as the main powertrain options). Bigger battery and more powerful motor than the japanese to suit our more aggressive and higher speed driving.

Thierry12 wrote: »

Good to have you back cros

Nissan using own cells or a battery giant?

CATL was mentioned.

Thierry12 wrote: »

Did they ever get rid of AESC or will they be using them for non premium stuff like the Micra?

AESC are now owned by a chinese investment group I think?

Thierry12 wrote: »

Without Ghosn its hard to see them sharing platforms with the Alliance, think they gonna die by the sword in Europe like Mitsubishi in years to come

Brand is in the gutter right now in Europe and Dacia has the lower end, don't know where they can go

Dacia's version of Renault K-ZE is on the way for europe. Big EV push on the way for the whole alliance as the Renault bailout money had a lot of EV-related strings attached. Renault is supposedly going to lead the EV push for the alliance as a whole.