The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

dunnerc

jmayo wrote: »

This is what is going to happen.

Competitions based on county boundaries are doomed.
In fact they have always been unfair and most small counties bar a few have always struggled.

Kilkenny is truly an outlier, but then again they are in hurling with maybe 6 to 8 other teams and they didn't even bother fielding a football team for years.

The only other small counties in terms of size and/or population that have an odd moment in the sunshine in football have been Louth, Armagh, Cavan and Offaly.
Cavan did brilliant for years in Ulster, but they had no one to compete against.
It is now decades since Louth or Offaly have done anything.

But because you normally had a few counties vying for success at one time with all of them having a good chance of winning it papered over the cracks.
Now it is a nailed on definite who is going to win Leinster at a stroll and it is nearly as much a certainty who will win Sam.

Dubs keep on about the great Kerry team and nobody complaining about them, but that team were beaten or run close by Heffo's Dubs on many occasions.
Offaly and Cork scuppered them and caused a break in their run.

Mayo had a good chance a few years ago to stop Dublin, but between one thing and another didn't manage it.
Kerry were only close last year because they had extra man.
Mayo were not that close this year and once 50 minutes came it was game over.

Dublin is pulling away not getting closer as opposed to what happened to Dwyer's Kerry team.

Competition is necessary to keep interest.
And one or two dominant teams cause disinterest except from the supporters or fans of those teams.
And one dominant team just scuppers the whole thing.

Mayo had 2 , 1 point defeats to Dublin ,and a couple of draws in recent years
This year Mayo had how many new players starting ?
Kerry had a 2 point and a 3 point defeat to Dublin in recent years , Drew with Dublin last year " should have won "
Donegal master class v Dublin in 2014
Serious competition there

ooter

Yeah sure according to a poster on here Longford nearly beat Dublin in 2006 even though they lost by 2 points, if you follow that logic Dublin nearly lost 5 of their all Ireland finals in the last 10 years.
You'd hardly call that dominance.

Enquiring

dunnerc wrote: »

Mayo had 2 , 1 point defeats to Dublin ,and a couple of draws in recent years
This year Mayo had how many new players starting ?
Kerry had a 2 point and a 3 point defeat to Dublin in recent years , Drew with Dublin last year " should have won "
Donegal master class v Dublin in 2014
Serious competition there

For instance, imagine if Kerry footballers were given 25 million since 2002, their own special development plan costing 3.8 million a year, millions on wages and team preparation costs, nearly every single championship game played at home since 2006 and so on. They'd be destroying every single team.

And then they'd have to be split because one county receiving that level of funding above everyone else shouldn't be allowed to happen.

ooter

If Kerry had more money they'd still have a **** senior hurling team.
Imagine the number of Munster minor football titles they win in a row.

Tombo2001

jmayo wrote: »

This is what is going to happen.

Competitions based on county boundaries are doomed.
In fact they have always been unfair and most small counties bar a few have always struggled.

There's a lot of tradition in the all Ireland, and in the provincial championships. It would be a shame to walk away from that. Its not that long since Dublin were perrenial chokers. This whole thing is overblown.

Tombo2001

Enquiring wrote: »

I agree that it is quite embarrassing for Dublin footballers to be run so close by these teams given their advantages. For instance, imagine if Kerry footballers were given 25 million since 2002, their own special development plan costing 3.8 million a year, millions on wages and team preparation costs, nearly every single championship game played at home since 2006 and so on. They'd be destroying every single team.

And then they'd have to be split because one county receiving that level of funding above everyone else shouldn't be allowed to happen. I'd say Kerry men and women wouldn't get any satisfaction from winning under those circumstances anyway.

And thats why they are going to give up their lucrative sponsorhip and state of the art training facility, and compete on similar terms to Leitrim and Longford.

Right?

jmayo

dobman88 wrote: »

Louth were robbed in a leinster final in 2010. Its not that long ago and definitely not decades.

One Leinster final in how many years ?
I am talking about when Louth were a real force back in the 50s.
And yes we know they were robbed by Meath and very very poor reffing.
Funny how many times Meath have won things due to very poor reffing :rolleyes:

dunnerc wrote: »

Mayo had 2 , 1 point defeats to Dublin ,and a couple of draws in recent years
This year Mayo had how many new players starting ?
Kerry had a 2 point and a 3 point defeat to Dublin in recent years , Drew with Dublin last year " should have won "
Donegal master class v Dublin in 2014
Serious competition there

Lads did you read what I said.
Mayo were very close, but that was 2016, 2017.
They were not really close this year.
And yes they had new players, but some of the older lads can't be replaced that easily.
The likes of Donie, Seamie, Zippy, Boyler, Parsons in their prime a few years ago have not been replaced.
Leeroy some would say is not near his best anymore, granted his position this year didn't help.
Yes there have been a few greats finds this year, but there isn't almost a like for like or better replacement like with the Dublin team.

Mayo ran out of steam and the subs did not add to Mayo unlike the Dublin subs who really made the difference.

Kerry were only close because Dublin were down to 14 so don't talk about how they nearly beat Dublin.
They were hockeyed in the replay.

BTW someone earlier highlighted how the winning margins are getting bigger not narrower, but carry on talking up how easy Dublin can be to beat.
There were only nearly beaten a few years ago, not now.

Enquiring

Tombo2001 wrote: »

There's a lot of tradition in the all Ireland, and in the provincial championships. It would be a shame to walk away from that. Its not that long since Dublin were perrenial chokers. This whole thing is overblown.

About 100 titles post funding tells us that this is not overblown.

Enquiring

Tombo2001 wrote: »

And thats why they are going to give up their lucrative sponsorhip and state of the art training facility, and compete on similar terms to Leitrim and Longford.

Right?

How is any of that giving them an advantage?

dunnerc

jmayo wrote: »

One Leinster final in how many years ?
I am talking about when Louth were a real force back in the 50s.
And yes we know they were robbed by Meath and very very poor reffing.
Funny how many times Meath have won things due to very poor reffing :rolleyes:



Lads did you read what I said.
Mayo were very close, but that was 2016, 2017.
They were not really close this year.
And yes they had new players, but some of the older lads can't be replaced that easily.
The likes of Donie, Seamie, Zippy, Boyler, Parsons in their prime a few years ago have not been replaced.
Leeroy some would say is not near his best anymore, granted his position this year didn't help.
Yes there have been a few greats finds this year, but there isn't almost a like for like or better replacement like with the Dublin team.

Mayo ran out of steam and the subs did not add to Mayo unlike the Dublin subs who really made the difference.

Kerry were only close because Dublin were down to 14 so don't talk about how they nearly beat Dublin.
They were hockeyed in the replay.

BTW someone earlier highlighted how the winning margins are getting bigger not narrower, but carry on talking up how easy Dublin can be to beat.
There were only nearly beaten a few years ago, not now.

Did you read the part were it was asked how many new comers started for Mayo ?Mayo are in transition , it will take a few years to get to the level of 2016/2017

Kerry also have a very young team and without doubt are improving

BTW who are you to say what should be talked about ?
The fact is they drew with Dublin and should have won


Disagree that they were hockeyed in the replay

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Enquiring

Tombo2001 wrote: »

And thats why they are going to give up their lucrative sponsorhip and state of the art training facility, and compete on similar terms to Leitrim and Longford.

Right?

Enquiring wrote: »

How is any of that giving them an advantage?

I see no answer is forthcoming to this question.

That's basically because they got themselves into a bind. In trying to defend the financial disparity in relation to Dublin, they used the financial disparity in another area. See how easy it was for them to talk about Kerry's advantages over Leitrim and Longford? Not a bother on them. We've seen it throughout this thread and in the media etc. also.

Imagine if someone came along and tried to say that Kerry do not have any advantages over Leitrim and Longford? That they just have better volunteers and Leitrim and Longford need to work harder. It would be ridiculous, wouldn't it? Yet, that's what we have with the defenders of the financial disparity. They are trying to deny the blatantly obvious!

Fran has a bone

The GAA are quite lucky in a way that they dominate Irish sport so much, because the interest in utter domination by over funded Dubs in football is declining rapidly.

But that said club football is still the backbone in most local communities. I believe we will see more interest in club games than county in near future.

jmayo

dunnerc wrote: »

Did you read the part were it was asked how many new comers started for Mayo ?Mayo are in transition , it will take a few years to get to the level of 2016/2017

Kerry also have a very young team and without doubt are improving

BTW who are you to say what should be talked about ?
The fact is they drew with Dublin and should have won


Disagree that they were hockeyed in the replay

BTW this thread is going nowhere.
Round and round in circles.
Dubs will never admit they got huge funding and huge sponsorship which definitely has helped.

FFS you don't need to be an Einstein to know money always helps.

And when you put that money with proper structures and proper planning, well hey presto you get growth and success.
And Dublin has already got the numbers to tap into with their well financed proper plans and structures.

What off me, and I bet a fair others, is this that the money made no difference, that it was all for kids in schools that by the arguments here must never have grown up (must go look for these eternal children next time in Dublin) and it is down to the volunteers who are just so much better and more hardworking.

Lads that pile of is insulting to everyone else.

The latest one I have seen offered is that the Dublin players are just so much more hardworking and less interested in anything else.

That last point was well alluded to in the recent interview by hickey and parroted by that from Derry that spends too much time in Ballina.

It is a insult to players around the country, especially those that travel the length and breath of the country to train and play with their teams.

As some has said the bedrock of the GAA has always been club and I think that is the future.

PS #Enquiring you have ploughed a long and lonely furrow at times, but you might as well give up - life is too short.

tritium

Enquiring wrote: »

How is any of that giving them an advantage?

You’ve already told us for about a billion pages that money structures and facilities give an advantage

A poster highlights that Kerry have all of these compared to another team

You ask how that gives Kerry an advantage....

Either you don’t believe it does, and you’ve wasted all our time for a billion pages or you do believe it does and you need to address how to balance other counties too. Doesn’t matter what other posters may have said, this is about the consistency of your own argument. Do we split every county for example? How much of a gap is too much?


Quite baffling indeed...

ooter

There are senior county hurlers that travel the length and breath of the country to train and play with their teams and I've never once heard any of them complain that they are at a disadvantage compared to the Dublin senior hurlers.

dunnerc

jmayo wrote: »

Ah now that was nasty and uncalled for.

And the dubs wonder why people don't like them.

BTW this thread is going nowhere.
Round and round in circles.
Dubs will never admit they got huge funding and huge sponsorship which definitely has helped.

FFS you don't need to be an Einstein to know money always helps.

And when you put that money with proper structures and proper planning, well hey presto you get growth and success.
And Dublin has already got the numbers to tap into with their well financed proper plans and structures.

What p*sses off me, and I bet a fair others, is this shyte that the money made no difference, that it was all for kids in schools that by the arguments here must never have grown up (must go look for these eternal children next time in Dublin) and it is down to the volunteers who are just so much better and more hardworking.

Lads that pile of shyte is insulting to everyone else.

The latest one I have seen offered is that the Dublin players are just so much more hardworking and less interested in anything else.

That last point was well alluded to in the recent interview by hickey and parroted by that gobdaw from Derry that spends too much time in Ballina.

It is a fooking insult to players around the country, especially those that travel the length and breath of the country to train and play with their teams.

As some has said the bedrock of the GAA has always been club and I think that is the future.

PS #Enquiring you have ploughed a long and lonely furrow at times, but you might as well give up - life is too short.

What did I say that was nasty and uncalled for ?
You mentioned Dublin hockeyed Kerry in the drawn game , a 6 point win !
I disagreed and mentioned
What Kerry done to Mayo was what I would call being hockeyed.

Strumms

Every sports person / team wants to dominate.

Pete Sampras won 14 Grand Slams in 12 years... that as a tennis fan boiled my piss, because he was a boring robotic player, and a boring human, but a super talent ... but I never came to the conclusion that he shouldn’t be permitted to keep winning. He had the best coaches, best of everything, his success and ability enabled that.

If Kerry win Sam next year, if you said to Peter Keane and Kerry fans.... “ Jesus, Peter, with this setup and bunch of lads, there is every hope of a run of 7..... he’s not going to advocate any disadvantaging structure to take them down..he’s worked hard, they’ve worked hard, good luck to them.

Enquiring

tritium wrote: »

You’ve already told us for about a billion pages that money structures and facilities give an advantage

A poster highlights that Kerry have all of these compared to another team

You ask how that gives Kerry an advantage....

Either you don’t believe it does, and you’ve wasted all our time for a billion pages or you do believe it does and you need to address how to balance other counties too. Doesn’t matter what other posters may have said, this is about the consistency of your own argument. Do we split every county for example? How much of a gap is too much?


Quite baffling indeed...

It's not me who's being inconsistent!

If you kept reading the thread, you would have seen the point I was making. Of course it's an advantage for Kerry, how could it not be?

With you stating that it is, you also have to admit that Dublin having access to far more funding than everyone else also gives them a huge advantage, right? You can admit that is the case?

Enquiring

jmayo wrote: »

Ah now that was nasty and uncalled for.

And the dubs wonder why people don't like them.

BTW this thread is going nowhere.
Round and round in circles.
Dubs will never admit they got huge funding and huge sponsorship which definitely has helped.

FFS you don't need to be an Einstein to know money always helps.

And when you put that money with proper structures and proper planning, well hey presto you get growth and success.
And Dublin has already got the numbers to tap into with their well financed proper plans and structures.

What p*sses off me, and I bet a fair others, is this shyte that the money made no difference, that it was all for kids in schools that by the arguments here must never have grown up (must go look for these eternal children next time in Dublin) and it is down to the volunteers who are just so much better and more hardworking.

Lads that pile of shyte is insulting to everyone else.

The latest one I have seen offered is that the Dublin players are just so much more hardworking and less interested in anything else.

That last point was well alluded to in the recent interview by hickey and parroted by that gobdaw from Derry that spends too much time in Ballina.

It is a fooking insult to players around the country, especially those that travel the length and breath of the country to train and play with their teams.

As some has said the bedrock of the GAA has always been club and I think that is the future.

PS #Enquiring you have ploughed a long and lonely furrow at times, but you might as well give up - life is too short.

Well said, a very good post. The obvious can be pointed out easily when other counties are involved but when it comes to Dublin, somehow millions upon millions of euros don't actually make a difference. Crazy stuff.

And yes, it's clear that the advantages will never be admitted to but it's important that any lies and myths get corrected. Not on this forum obviously, but in real life, hopefully people in the media show the courage to point out the facts and then all of us who know them, need to inform people and get things moving in terms of actions and protests.

Enquiring

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

So as a tennis fan, did the International Tennis Federation:
1. Say "Hey, Pete Sampras deserves to be no 1, let's focus the vast majority of our resources into making sure we get the absolute best out of Pete Sampras, and to hell with the other players

2. Devise and fund a special plan for Pete Sampras (and only Pete Sampras) to implement a professional coaching system that is unavailable to all other players?

3. Think that it would make sense to give the richest guy in the game the most amount of resources to pay for professional development, way above what other players could afford (despite Pete Sampras' ability to generate many multiples in sponsorship compared to any other player)

If you answered no to any of the above I think your analogy is pretty weak


I mean Pete Sampras was a great player and a joy to watch. He also lost about a quarter of the games he played in so there was at least some competition during his time. If it "boiled your piss" that he won 75% of the time, I wonder how you, as a tennis fan, would have felt if the ITF had been giving Pete Sampras all this special treatment for many years and any competition was being sucked out of the game completely. Also (and I get that the analogy goes a bit weird here) you would no doubt be concerned that there was a conveyor belt of Pete Samprases coming down the tracks.

You'd surely say, (as a tennis fan) that maybe Andre agassi, Boris Becker and the other lads got a bit of a raw deal here and perhaps this isn't in the best interests of the game (of tennis)

Don't forget that Pete Sampras would only play 2 away games in 14 years. So every championship game on his favourite surface and on his favourite court.

ooter

And around we go again with the mistruths.
Dublin senior footballers haven't only played 2 away games in 14 years, getting basic facts like that wrong brings in to question other stuff written as gospel on here.

Tombo2001

jmayo wrote: »

Ah now that was nasty and uncalled for.

And the dubs wonder why people don't like them.

BTW this thread is going nowhere.
Round and round in circles.
Dubs will never admit they got huge funding and huge sponsorship which definitely has helped.

FFS you don't need to be an Einstein to know money always helps.

And when you put that money with proper structures and proper planning, well hey presto you get growth and success.
And Dublin has already got the numbers to tap into with their well financed proper plans and structures.

What p*sses off me, and I bet a fair others, is this shyte that the money made no difference, that it was all for kids in schools that by the arguments here must never have grown up (must go look for these eternal children next time in Dublin) and it is down to the volunteers who are just so much better and more hardworking.

Lads that pile of shyte is insulting to everyone else.

The latest one I have seen offered is that the Dublin players are just so much more hardworking and less interested in anything else.

That last point was well alluded to in the recent interview by hickey and parroted by that gobdaw from Derry that spends too much time in Ballina.

It is a fooking insult to players around the country, especially those that travel the length and breath of the country to train and play with their teams.

As some has said the bedrock of the GAA has always been club and I think that is the future.

PS #Enquiring you have ploughed a long and lonely furrow at times, but you might as well give up - life is too short.

A classic "this argument is going nowhere, because you lot wont agree with me" post.....

jmayo

Does your club have full time coaching resource ?

Why do people involved with Dublin football seem to think the rest of us think they just got wads of cash and hey presto they were winning all round them without any effort?

We all know it took proper planning, it took hiring good people and setting up good structures.
And it took volunteers to do the hard yards in the evenings and at weekends.
They had to give up their time for free.

What we are saying though is the volunteers got resources others could not afford and could only dream of.
And depending on clubs the volunteers mightn't have huge issues of having to spend time fundraising like in a lot of poorer clubs round the country.

It is like some eejit saying that the only reasons Dublin senior team win is because they play all big matches at home, don't have to travel and because they are so well resourced with huge sponsorship.

That would all come to nought if they didn't put in the long hours training, planning, working on their game and pushing themselves to stay at the top.

jmayo

Tombo2001 wrote: »

A classic "this argument is going nowhere, because you lot wont agree with me" post.....

The thing is most of the country outside of Dubs and ones involved in Dublin football happen to agree more with me than you.
Funny that.

Tombo2001

jmayo wrote: »

Does your club have full time coaching resource ?

Why do people involved with Dublin football seem to think the rest of us think they just got wads of cash and hey presto they were winning all round them without any effort?

We all know it took proper planning, it took hiring good people and setting up good structures.
And it took volunteers to do the hard yards in the evenings and at weekends.
They had to give up their time for free.

What we are saying though is the volunteers got resources others could not afford and could only dream of.
And depending on clubs the volunteers mightn't have huge issues of having to spend time fundraising like in a lot of poorer clubs round the country.

It is like some eejit saying that the only reasons Dublin senior team win is because they play all big matches at home, don't have to travel and because they are so well resourced with huge sponsorship.

That would all come to nought if they didn't put in the long hours training, planning, working on their game and pushing themselves to stay at the top.

Like what?

Given that there are clubs in Dublin that dont even have a pitch.

What types of resources?


And dont forget on the latter point - fees in Dublin clubs are wayyyyyy higher than in country clubs. Maybe that would be one way to even up the balance - pay more for your club membership.

EDIT - my only issue in this debate is that people make out its some sort of financial doping, that Dublin is given an unfair amount of investment. I dont believe that is the case. Yes, more is invested in Dublin GAA - in the same way that more is invested in hospitals in Dublin for example, compared to other counties - because more people live there. That creates an unbalanced championship yes. Is there some sort of pro Dublin bias. No. Are other counties being ripped off. No.

Enquiring

Tombo2001 wrote: »

A classic "this argument is going nowhere, because you lot wont agree with me" post.....

But you do agree with that poster!

Yesterday you posted about Kerry and the advantages they have. You believe their sponsorship and facilities are an advantage over counties who have less. Then obviously, Dublin with far more than kerry, have far more of an advantage.

Theres nothing to disagree with here.

Enquiring

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Like what?

Given that there are clubs in Dublin that dont even have a pitch.

What types of resources?


And dont forget on the latter point - fees in Dublin clubs are wayyyyyy higher than in country clubs. Maybe that would be one way to even up the balance - pay more for your club membership.

EDIT - my only issue in this debate is that people make out its some sort of financial doping, that Dublin is given an unfair amount of investment. I dont believe that is the case. Yes, more is invested in Dublin GAA - in the same way that more is invested in hospitals in Dublin for example, compared to other counties - because more people live there. That creates an unbalanced championship yes. Is there some sort of pro Dublin bias. No. Are other counties being ripped off. No.

Dublin GAA were drawn up a plan by a specially appointed panel. They were then granted huge resources to implement that plan. This was a Dublin only scheme. No other county had access. Nearly every club had access to their own dedicated games development officer. That is a huge resource to have. It's already been pointed out the areas these officers worked on and improved. It's made a massive difference to Dublin GAA. Across the board. People inside Dublin GAA openly admit this.

And the thing is, it would have been great, seeing Gaelic games develop is something all of us want. But, why was this scheme only made available for Dublin? Is the health of Gaelic games not important in other counties? By giving Dublin special treatment, the GAA caused this mess. It's spiralled out of control. Dublin now spend close to 4 million on games development alone. No one can live with that. The wealth in Dublin on top of the Dublin only program for nearly 2 decades means that we have to split Dublin. It's unfortunate but there is no other option.

Strumms

Enquiring wrote: »

Dublin GAA were drawn up a plan by a specially appointed panel. They were then granted huge resources to implement that plan. This was a Dublin only scheme. No other county had access. Nearly every club had access to their own dedicated games development officer. That is a huge resource to have. It's already been pointed out the areas these officers worked on and improved. It's made a massive difference to Dublin GAA. Across the board. People inside Dublin GAA openly admit this.

And the thing is, it would have been great, seeing Gaelic games develop is something all of us want. But, why was this scheme only made available for Dublin? Is the health of Gaelic games not important in other counties? By giving Dublin special treatment, the GAA caused this mess. It's spiralled out of control. Dublin now spend close to 4 million on games development alone. No one can live with that. The wealth in Dublin on top of the Dublin only program for nearly 2 decades means that we have to split Dublin. It's unfortunate but there is no other option.

The only way a split happens is if Dublin agree to it. They won’t. No player, supporter, county board member.... it’s not the Soviet Union 1935, you can’t punish or kick success away... you just need to get better yourself....you need pitches, balls, determination, organization and hard work and hope that it pays dividends more then at any other county...

If the split splashers focused more on improving rather than disingenuously trying to tear everybody else’s house down...

In athletics if xx athlete runs the 100 meters in 9.97 seconds, I can run 10.36... I’m not going to start worrying about what funding, what anything...I’ll be worried about working harder.

Funding again is spread far more thinly. Is spent in the capital where it’s more expensive to buy, well everything... bulbs for floodlights, repairs to all weather pitches, everything, insurance, energy..light, heat, you name it.

A huge number of clubs, huge number of players, participants from under age to senior...

What’s being spent is what’s needed...to ‘run’ the games... it’s more expensive to run it in Dublin, that’s a fact. From participation to administration...huge number of clubs, players, supporters...the investment is proportionate.

Still all weather pitches, floodlights, clubhouses, gyms, conference facilities and so on being invested in, nationwide... so you know... not the one sided setup the split splashers would have everybody believe.

Tombo2001

Enquiring wrote: »

Dublin GAA were drawn up a plan by a specially appointed panel. They were then granted huge resources to implement that plan. This was a Dublin only scheme. No other county had access. Nearly every club had access to their own dedicated games development officer. That is a huge resource to have. It's already been pointed out the areas these officers worked on and improved. It's made a massive difference to Dublin GAA. Across the board. People inside Dublin GAA openly admit this.

And the thing is, it would have been great, seeing Gaelic games develop is something all of us want. But, why was this scheme only made available for Dublin? Is the health of Gaelic games not important in other counties? By giving Dublin special treatment, the GAA caused this mess. It's spiralled out of control. Dublin now spend close to 4 million on games development alone. No one can live with that. The wealth in Dublin on top of the Dublin only program for nearly 2 decades means that we have to split Dublin. It's unfortunate but there is no other option.

So the question asked was - what resources are you talking about, that Dublin clubs have access to.

And your answer is Games Development Officers.

There are 300 Games Development Officers in the country.

54 of these are in Dublin.

Most of those in Dublin are aligned with one club, but
(i) they dont belong to the clubs - they are assigned to areas and most of their remit is to work with schools.
(ii) clubs in Dublin tend to be much larger than country clubs. Kilmacud Crokes has almost 5000 members. So one Games Development Officer aligned to Kilmacud might be spread across more players than an Officer that deals with 5 clubs in Offaly or Westmeath.