The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

RoyalCelt

Enquiring wrote: »

If you compare the figures from the Dublin County Boards accounts to your own counties, are you in the same ballpark? Unlikely I'd say.

Time for part 2 of operation facts. Don't worry, there's plenty to go. This time we're going to pick a year from the Games Development history bank and do some analysis. We all know the defenders of the financial disparity like to just stick with one or two specific years. Here we go with the Games Development breakdown for 2007!




Have a look for your county and then compare it with Dublin. Cork got 89,000, Dublin got 1,603,903, Antrim only got 11,000. Many counties only 7,000. Out of just over 2 million total, Dublin got 1.6 of that.

In percentage terms, Dublin received 76% of the total Games Development Funding in 2007. I think we now know why some people want to ignore nearly 2 decades of funding!

So in a year where Dublin beat Meath in Leinster and almost made the AI final Dublin get 1.3M in development funds and Meath get 12 thousand!

Did the GAA want to purposely kill the biggest rivalry they had in football? It's no wonder we went from being competitive to losing by 20+ points.

JeffKenna wrote: »

David Moran (Kerry 2014)
Paul Murphy (Kerry 2014)
Peter Crowley (Kerry 2014)
Stephen O'Brien (Kerry 2014)
Jack Sherwood (Kerry 2014)
Paul Geaney (Kerry 2014)
James O'Donoghue (Kerry 2014)
Pa Kilkenny (Kerry 2014)
Michael Murphy (Donegal 2012)
Neil McGee (Donegal 2012)
Paddy McGrath (Donegal 2012)
Paddy McBrearty (Donegal 2012)
Eoin Cadogan (Cork 2010)
Ciarán Sheehan (Cork 2010)
Tommy Walsh (Kerry 2009)


I must admit, I never really heard of Pa Kilkenny before?

If Dublin go on and do 10 in a row this list could grow very thin.

Enquiring wrote: »

This time, we have the Games Development funding for 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014!




Good lord. As a Meath man I'll never attend a dublin meath championship match again and haven't since 2014. It's clear to see where the money from my attendance was going. It's why nobody in Leinster takes dublin seriously anymore. There's no shame in losing to them as we know we can't compete and shouldn't either when you weigh up their advantages.

And with population growth favouring them the gap will never close. The last golden era of football has officially ended. I hope you enjoyed it folks.

kilns

RoyalCelt wrote: »

So in a year where Dublin beat Meath in Leinster and almost made the AI final Dublin get 1.3M in development funds and Meath get 12 thousand!

Did the GAA want to purposely kill the biggest rivalry they had in football? It's no wonder we went from being competitive to losing by 20+ points.



If Dublin go on and do 10 in a row this list could grow very thin.

Enquiring wrote: »

This time, we have the Games Development funding for 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014!




Good lord. As a Meath man I'll never attend a dublin meath championship match again and haven't since 2014. It's clear to see where the money from my attendance was going. It's why nobody in Leinster takes dublin seriously anymore. There's no shame in losing to them as we know we can't compete and shouldn't either when you weigh up their advantages.

And with population growth favouring them the gap will never close. The last golden era of football has officially ended. I hope you enjoyed it folks.

You do know during this time, development for all counties in Leinster except Dublin came from the Leinster council. Obvioulsly Dublin still gets more but the figures for Meath for example are not the real picture in terms of their development, take 2013 for example approx EUR3.2m was spent on Games development by Leinster Council (not including funding for primary or secondary schools or Dublin funding)

Enquiring

kilns wrote: »

You do know during this time, development for all counties in Leinster except Dublin came from the Leinster council. Obvioulsly Dublin still gets more but the figures for Meath for example are not the real picture in terms of their development, take 2013 for example approx EUR3.2m was spent on Games development by Leinster Council (not including funding for primary or secondary schools or Dublin funding)

Ah the second person to make this claim. The other poster failed to provide any proof but I'm sure you'll gladly provide it for us?

You're claiming that funding for colleges, academies, development officers, etc were only made available for all the Leinster counties except Dublin?

tritium

Enquiring wrote: »

Ah the second person to make this claim. The other poster failed to provide any proof but I'm sure you'll gladly provide it for us?

You're claiming that funding for colleges, academies, development officers, etc were only made available for all the Leinster counties except Dublin?

You really are some chancer. Let me be really clear on what I’ve claimed-What I’ve claimed and what you can’t refute is that there’s an enormous sum of games development money that you can’t account for the allocation of. You can’t apportion it to dublin either because thelistee dublin spend already includes the exact same heading!!

I’ve claimed that the rest of Leinster has a level of games development personnel that couldn’t be paid for from the county allocations alone. I’ve also provided the numbers to show that

I’ve claimed that you can’t give the actual amount of money each county has benefitted from for games development and that the county allocation doesn’t do this- both are demonstrably true. What that means is that you’ve quite deliberately taken a set of figures and spun them to paint dublin funding in the worst light, much like a number of hack journalists have.

Enquiring

tritium wrote: »

You really are some chancer. Let me be really clear on what I’ve claimed-What I’ve claimed and what you can’t refute is that there’s an enormous sum of games development money that you can’t account for the allocation of. You can’t apportion it to dublin either because thelistee dublin spend already includes the exact same heading!!

I’ve claimed that the rest of Leinster has a level of games development personnel that couldn’t be paid for from the county allocations alone. I’ve also provided the numbers to show that

I’ve claimed that you can’t give the actual amount of money each county has benefitted from for games development and that the county allocation doesn’t do this- both are demonstrably true. What that means is that you’ve quite deliberately taken a set of figures and spun them to paint dublin funding in the worst light, much like a number of hack journalists have.

You couldn't back up your claims, can you come to the assistance of the other poster?

Other counties have had coaches, this is not news. No one is claiming that Dublin had every single coach. As I've said, most had about the same number, only Dublin were way out ahead. You appear to have missed a few posts also, like this one:

Enquiring wrote: »

You're not making much sense. Tripping over yourself here. What's dishonest about my argument? Every county has access to coaches, that's never been denied. Dublin have had access to far more.

For example, have Antrim and Cork had the services of half the coaches Dublin have? Not at all. Every county had below 6 while Dublin had one professional coach for nearly every club.

Are you denying Dublin spent over 50 million on games development since 2002? Are you denying they receive over 2 million in sponsorship every year? Spend 2 million on salaries, over 1.5 million on team expenses?

This is the argument for splitting Dublin. They were overfunded and got increased success from the plan that was drawn up for them. Increased sponsorship followed on and it's snowballed. The finance is obviously also available for 4 counties.

We can't let one county operate on a professional level in an amateur organisation. That's what it comes down to.

Enquiring

While we're waiting for that, you often hear the term 'getting our house in order' from defenders of the financial disparity. It's usually followed by arrogantly telling other counties that they need to work harder. Obviously, these people like to avoid the facts when it comes to just how much finance goes into 100 titles post funding for Dublin but also the fact that, Dublin didn't get their house in order, it was done for them! I'm not just talking about the millions of euros, I'm talking about the plan that was drawn up for them.

As a part of the Strategic Review Committee in 2002, the taskforce made a list of recommendations. I will insert a few excerpts from these recommendations here:














Dublin GAA obviously liked the sound of all the money and structures put in place but not the split into 2 part. Basically, Dublin had a comprehensive plan to transform standards in their county formed and funded for them. 100 titles later tells us that it was a very good plan. It was a plan based on professional structures, however. Gaelic Games are amateur sports.

tritium

Enquiring wrote: »

You couldn't back up your claims, can you come to the assistance of the other poster?

Other counties have had coaches, this is not news. No one is claiming that Dublin had every single coach. As I've said, most had about the same number, only Dublin were way out ahead. You appear to have missed a few posts also, like this one:

You have posted selective horse manure. You have claimed dublin received disproportionate funding and on the back of it posted county allocations that you claimed evidenced this. When the true, and vastly larger, spend on games development was revealed you doubled down and suggested this should be assumed to be allocated the same way- even when it was pointed out that elements of that total simply couldn’t be allocated in that manner given the headings they sit under. you don’t want to touch that with a barge pole though since it discredits you completely.

You accept every county has had coaches yet you won’t acknowledge that your figures for county allocation level cannot reflect that spend. You just keep dodging and posting the same old misleading nonsense. The rest of Leinster have around 118 games development personell assigned, far more than dublins 60-70 at this point - how many more than dublin should they have?

Enquiring

tritium wrote: »

You have posted selective horse manure. You have claimed dublin received disproportionate funding and on the back of it posted county allocations that you claimed evidenced this. When the true, and vastly larger, spend on games development was revealed you doubled down and suggested this should be assumed to be allocated the same way- even when it was pointed out that elements of that total simply couldn’t be allocated in that manner given the headings they sit under. you don’t want to touch that with a barge pole though since it discredits you completely.

You accept every county has had coaches yet you won’t acknowledge that your figures for county allocation level cannot reflect that spend. You just keep dodging and posting the same old misleading nonsense. The rest of Leinster have around 118 games development personell assigned, far more than dublins 60-70 at this point - how many more than dublin should they have?

Dublin have received disproportionate funding. Read the figures. Dublin have spent 50 million plus on games development since 2002. 25 million coming from taxpayers money. What has the next highest county received?

As I've pointed out to you, the gap from 2nd highest to 32nd highest is quite small. Most counties had in and around the same number of coaches. Dublin were provided with millions upon millions more. This is all fact backed up by evidence. I've also told you that you cannot ignore 2 decades of funding.

It's telling that you can't even acknowledge the other areas involved in all of this. The sponsorship, spend on salaries, spend on team preparations, that the whole plan was created for Dublin etc. Ignoring it might help you convince yourself that Dublin are not operating on a professional basis in an amateur sport but why should the rest of us play along with your fairytale?

Strumms

Enquiring wrote: »

Dublin have received disproportionate funding. Read the figures. Dublin have spent 50 million plus on games development since 2002. 25 million coming from taxpayers money. What has the next highest county received?

As I've pointed out to you, the gap from 2nd highest to 32nd highest is quite small. Most counties had in and around the same number of coaches. Dublin were provided with millions upon millions more. This is all fact backed up by evidence. I've also told you that you cannot ignore 2 decades of funding.

It's telling that you can't even acknowledge the other areas involved in all of this. The sponsorship, spend on salaries, spend on team preparations, that the whole plan was created for Dublin etc. Ignoring it might help you convince yourself that Dublin are not operating on a professional basis in an amateur sport but why should the rest of us play along with your fairytale?

Playing population in Dublin is significantly higher, more clubs, teams, price of everything.... money needs to travel wayyyy further.

tritium

Strumms wrote: »

Playing population in Dublin is significantly higher, more clubs, teams, price of everything.... money needs to travel wayyyy further.

Tbh it’s hard to argue given the number of people to be reached for games development that dublin historically got a fair shake. For 2002 the Leinster council spent 200k on dublin according to enquirer- that out of 1.14 million spent on games development. It sounds substantial at 17.5%, until you realise that 1.1m of Leinster s 2.1m people lived there at that point. Now I don’t mind accepting that things such as distances to travel, or relative games penetration (for which dublin back then and in some areas now would score poorly) may require a flexing of per capita allocation, but it stinks of absolute neglect of dublin by the GAA pre 2002 if you think that it’s a huge deal to give 52% of the people you’re trying to reach 17%. Of the investment and then go shouting it from the rooftops, and that’s before we get into things like access to pitches, the higher costs associated with dublin etc.

Enquiring

Strumms wrote: »

Playing population in Dublin is significantly higher, more clubs, teams, price of everything.... money needs to travel wayyyy further.

Population is an advantage! Not a disadvantage. Let's have a closer look at this though.

Cork have approximately half the population of Dublin and over 200 clubs compared to around 130 in Dublin. Dublin received the funding for nearly one coach for every club while Cork had 6 coaches or under.

How can that be justified? How come every single county received funding for between 1 to 6 coaches while Dublin received funding for many multiples of that?

Enquiring

tritium wrote: »

Tbh it’s hard to argue given the number of people to be reached for games development that dublin historically got a fair shake. For 2002 the Leinster council spent 200k on dublin according to enquirer- that out of 1.14 million spent on games development. It sounds substantial at 17.5%, until you realise that 1.1m of Leinster s 2.1m people lived there at that point. Now I don’t mind accepting that things such as distances to travel, or relative games penetration (for which dublin back then and in some areas now would score poorly) may require a flexing of per capita allocation, but it stinks of absolute neglect of dublin by the GAA pre 2002 if you think that it’s a huge deal to give 52% of the people you’re trying to reach 17%. Of the investment and then go shouting it from the rooftops, and that’s before we get into things like access to pitches, the higher costs associated with dublin etc.

This is really dishonest stuff. You're trying to claim that money for primary schools, secondary schools, universities and all development officers were for every county in Leinster except Dublin. You have been asked to provide proof for this but have provided zero evidence.

tritium

Enquiring wrote: »

This is really dishonest stuff. You're trying to claim that money for primary schools, secondary schools, universities and all development officers were for every county in Leinster except Dublin. You have been asked to provide proof for this but have provided zero evidence.

I’m not trying to claim anything, I got the 200k from your figures

You’re not saying your figures don’t give the full picture are you? Maybe you’d like to give us a correct breakdown? Maybe you could do the same for all the years you’ve given?

Enquiring

tritium wrote: »

I’m not trying to claim anything, I got the 200k from your figures

You’re not saying your figures don’t give the full picture are you? Maybe you’d like to give us a correct breakdown? Maybe you could do the same for all the years you’ve given?

We've already gone over this a number of times. The Leinster council provides money for coaches for all of Leinster. They also provide money for schools and colleges, cúl camps, development projects etc. This is for every county in Leinster.

The money for coaching provided Leinster counties with enough for between 2 to 6 coaches. This has gone up for some counties in the past few years. Dublin then get the money from elsewhere to pay for the rest of theirs.

It's the same in all provinces. The provincial council's provide money for coaches. All counties have had under 6 coaches to develop hurling and football within the county they're appointed to. All counties except 1.

tritium

Enquiring wrote: »

We've already gone over this a number of times. The Leinster council provides money for coaches for all of Leinster. They also provide money for schools and colleges, cúl camps, development projects etc. This is for every county in Leinster.

The money for coaching provided Leinster counties with enough for between 2 to 6 coaches. This has gone up for some counties in the past few years. Dublin then get the money from elsewhere to pay for the rest of theirs.

It's the same in all provinces. The provincial council's provide money for coaches. All counties have had under 6 coaches to develop hurling and football within the county they're appointed to. All counties except 1.

When you say from else where do you mean the half that the dublin clubs pay by themselves or do you mean from their county allocation. What does the dublin allocation cover under deployment of personell? What does the games development allocation cover under the same heading? Should dublin clubs be penalised or applauded for putting their hands in their own pockets to improve the coaching? If they pay for it themselves should it be counted as part of their funding? Do clubs outside dublin pay for their coaches?, if not why not?

Enquiring

tritium wrote: »

When you say from else where do you mean the half that the dublin clubs pay by themselves or do you mean from their county allocation. What does the dublin allocation cover under deployment of personell? What does the games development allocation cover under the same heading? Should dublin clubs be penalised or applauded for putting their hands in their own pockets to improve the coaching? If they pay for it themselves should it be counted as part of their funding? Do clubs outside dublin pay for their coaches?, if not why not?

You have loads of questions but you never have any answers.

To pay for the rest of the coaches, Dublin receive money from the government and the GAA. They have received about 25 million since 2002 to do this. On top of that, clubs pay half the wages of coaches so that takes it to 50 million since 2002 or thereabouts.

Now here is the important part. This was a scheme for Dublin GAA only! No other county had the option to part fund coaches, it was only available for Dublin clubs.

No one has said Dublin clubs should be punished, they're not going to be punished. In fact, as part of their new county, players at underage and senior would now have a far greater chance of playing inter county hurling and football. Splitting Dublin advantages clubs in Dublin!!

This has to happen also because not only does Dublin have the largest population by far, it has the wealth. 4 counties would not only easily survive but they'd thrive.

The alternative is to let the current situation continue where you have a county spending 3.8 million a year on games development, 2 million on salaries and 1.5 million on team preparations. It's just not feasible to let that continue.

tritium

Enquiring wrote: »

You have loads of questions but you never have any answers.

To pay for the rest of the coaches, Dublin receive money from the government and the GAA. They have received about 25 million since 2002 to do this. On top of that, clubs pay half the wages of coaches so that takes it to 50 million since 2002 or thereabouts.

Now here is the important part. This was a scheme for Dublin GAA only! No other county had the option to part fund coaches, it was only available for Dublin clubs.

No one has said Dublin clubs should be punished, they're not going to be punished. In fact, as part of their new county, players at underage and senior would now have a far greater chance of playing inter county hurling and football. Splitting Dublin advantages clubs in Dublin!!

This has to happen also because not only does Dublin have the largest population by far, it has the wealth. 4 counties would not only easily survive but they'd thrive.

The alternative is to let the current situation continue where you have a county spending 3.8 million a year on games development, 2 million on salaries and 1.5 million on team preparations. It's just not feasible to let that continue.

You say the dublin clubs aren’t being punished but I think you’ll find most would disagree. Thankfully the wishes of yourself don’t hold a lot of weight. You see there’s a certain honour playing for a team like dublin, an appeal that’s driven a group of young lads currently to be the greatest team of all time. Playing for dunnlaoghairevrathdown doesn’t have that appeal I’m afraid. By your logic the only fair solution is to split every county into blocks of about 30k to match leitrims population. After all that would be rewarding all the clubs in every county since more of their players could play inter county right? It would also fix over 100 years of imbalance in the GAA, which you seem to care about greatly so you must be in favour

And where will you get space etc for these dublin teams given the challenges in that respect dublin already faces. I don’t know if you’ve noticed but we don’t have the space of Mayo or Kerry. And the space we have costs a hell of a lot more

Did anyone else look to part fund additional coaches. Did any clubs outside dublin have to sit with the money burning a hole in their pocket. My recollection is too many were laughing at dublin for their “unleash the blue wave’ plan back then.You’ve already mentioned how some dublin clubs even went and hired their own coaches. Why can’t clubs elsewhere do that, possibly on a pooled basis.

How about instead if finance is such an issue the other counties try to maximise their wealth properly first? For example with sponsorship like cork just managed? It seems far better than just sitting with a cap out expecting your cut

ooter

The one county of Dublin does not thrive in senior hurling but if it is split in to 4 counties it will thrive.
That makes no sense at all.

Enquiring

tritium wrote: »

You say the dublin clubs aren’t being punished but I think you’ll find most would disagree. Thankfully the wishes of yourself don’t hold a lot of weight. You see there’s a certain honour playing for a team like dublin, an appeal that’s driven a group of young lads currently to be the greatest team of all time. Playing for dunnlaoghairevrathdown doesn’t have that appeal I’m afraid. By your logic the only fair solution is to split every county into blocks of about 30k to match leitrims population. After all that would be rewarding all the clubs in every county since more of their players could play inter county right? It would also fix over 100 years of imbalance in the GAA, which you seem to care about greatly so you must be in favour

And where will you get space etc for these dublin teams given the challenges in that respect dublin already faces. I don’t know if you’ve noticed but we don’t have the space of Mayo or Kerry. And the space we have costs a hell of a lot more

Did anyone else look to part fund additional coaches. Did any clubs outside dublin have to sit with the money burning a hole in their pocket. My recollection is too many were laughing at dublin for their “unleash the blue wave’ plan back then.You’ve already mentioned how some dublin clubs even went and hired their own coaches. Why can’t clubs elsewhere do that, possibly on a pooled basis.

How about instead if finance is such an issue the other counties try to maximise their wealth properly first? For example with sponsorship like cork just managed? It seems far better than just sitting with a cap out expecting your cut

Oh dear. When all else fails, the old favourites that have been busted multiple times over are dragged out.

This isn't just a one off team. Dublin have won about 100 titles across all disciplines post funding, were they all just one off greatest teams of all time? Population isn't the main issue, it's the millions upon millions of euros that you've been told about. Dublin have purchased land recently, you may have heard of spawell and hollystown golf club? They have other land also and already have a number of pitches to cater for the 4 counties. Yes, other counties looked for funding and were denied.

I could go on but I think I'll just make one post and put it in my signature to direct people to who use the same old busted myths.

Just on your last point though, it's absolutely hilarious. Cap out expecting your cut? John Bailey went running to Bertie Ahern to beg for money, Dublin have been handed millions upon millions of euros to implement a plan that was drawn up for them as they were too incompetent to do anything themselves. Through the plan, the finance and the hiring of highly paid officers to implement the plan, Dublin increased their success across the board. Consequently, their sponsorship grew off the back of the success. Dublin have been handed so much that they don't even bother with going to the effort of fundraising like every other county has to do because it's spoon fed to them.

Also, it's noted that once again you have no response to the huge finance in Dublin GAA. Throwing out the old, failed excuses tells me that you know it's wrong. You know Dublin are operating at a professional level in an amateur sport. You can't or won't admit to it, that's your decision but those of us who care about the health of Gaelic games can't let it continue.

kilns

tritium wrote: »

You really are some chancer. Let me be really clear on what I’ve claimed-What I’ve claimed and what you can’t refute is that there’s an enormous sum of games development money that you can’t account for the allocation of. You can’t apportion it to dublin either because thelistee dublin spend already includes the exact same heading!!

I’ve claimed that the rest of Leinster has a level of games development personnel that couldn’t be paid for from the county allocations alone. I’ve also provided the numbers to show that

I’ve claimed that you can’t give the actual amount of money each county has benefitted from for games development and that the county allocation doesn’t do this- both are demonstrably true. What that means is that you’ve quite deliberately taken a set of figures and spun them to paint dublin funding in the worst light, much like a number of hack journalists have.

I wouldnt bother with him if I were you, the best thing I have done on this has been put this poster on ignore.

Oh yeah I called him a chancer too and he got all upset and called it vile and abusive messages towards him lol

tikkahunter

Enquiring wrote: »

Oh dear. When all else fails, the old favourites that have been busted multiple times over are dragged out.

This isn't just a one off team. Dublin have won about 100 titles across all disciplines post funding, were they all just one off greatest teams of all time? Population isn't the main issue, it's the millions upon millions of euros that you've been told about. Dublin have purchased land recently, you may have heard of spawell and hollystown golf club? They have other land also and already have a number of pitches to cater for the 4 counties. Yes, other counties looked for funding and were denied.

I could go on but I think I'll just make one post and put it in my signature to direct people to who use the same old busted myths.

Just on your last point though, it's absolutely hilarious. Cap out expecting your cut? John Bailey went running to Bertie Ahern to beg for money, Dublin have been handed millions upon millions of euros to implement a plan that was drawn up for them as they were too incompetent to do anything themselves. Through the plan, the finance and the hiring of highly paid officers to implement the plan, Dublin increased their success across the board. Consequently, their sponsorship grew off the back of the success. Dublin have been handed so much that they don't even bother with going to the effort of fundraising like every other county has to do because it's spoon fed to them.

Also, it's noted that once again you have no response to the huge finance in Dublin GAA. Throwing out the old, failed excuses tells me that you know it's wrong. You know Dublin are operating at a professional level in an amateur sport. You can't or won't admit to it, that's your decision but those of us who care about the health of Gaelic games can't let it continue.

Seriously if you have all this great information and proof go up and present it to your county board and demand answers , no point coming on here and presenting it . Seriously off you trot . Your trying to preach to lads who are involved with Dublin clubs and can see that they are all struggling to survive no matter what outsiders think . Go on off you go and come back and let us all know how they react to your great findings. Oh one other thing just let us all know the reason they gave you for their own incompetence.

seligehgit

kilns wrote: »

I wouldnt bother with him if I were you, the best thing I have done on this has been put this poster on ignore.

Oh yeah I called him a chancer too and he got all upset and called it vile and abusive messages towards him lol

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kilns do not post on this thread again.

Enquiring

tikkahunter wrote: »

Seriously if you have all this great information and proof go up and present it to your county board and demand answers , no point coming on here and presenting it . Seriously off you trot . Your trying to preach to lads who are involved with Dublin clubs and can see that they are all struggling to survive no matter what outsiders think . Go on off you go and come back and let us all know how they react to your great findings. Oh one other thing just let us all know the reason they gave you for their own incompetence.

Do you have any arguments against the evidence backed posts I've made?

It's up to all of us to make representations to our clubs and county boards etc. I believe protests will be needed to highlight this further. The continuation of the status quo where 1 county is operating with massive levels of finance against counties living off scraps can't continue.

tritium

Enquiring wrote: »

Do you have any arguments against the evidence backed posts I've made?

It's up to all of us to make representations to our clubs and county boards etc. I believe protests will be needed to highlight this further. The continuation of the status quo where 1 county is operating with massive levels of finance against counties living off scraps can't continue.

Why would anyone bother discussing this with you

You ignore anything that doesn’t fit your narrative

Your evidence has been soundly discredited and you’re still spouting on as if it was gospel. It’s like watching some sort of religious zealotry in action.

Thankfully you represent a tiny minority of the gaa, most are gracious enough to understand that this dublin team is the result of a combination of talent and hard work

Enquiring

tritium wrote: »

Why would anyone bother discussing this with you

You ignore anything that doesn’t fit your narrative

Your evidence has been soundly discredited and you’re still spouting on as if it was gospel. It’s like watching some sort of religious zealotry in action.

Thankfully you represent a tiny minority of the gaa, most are gracious enough to understand that this dublin team is the result of a combination of talent and hard work

Some serious projection going on in your posts.

What have I ignored? What has been discredited?

The only things I can see that have been discredited have been the myths created by the defenders of the financial disparity.

The myth that the money was just for primary school kids - busted.
The myth that the funding imbalance only occurred between 2007-2017 - busted.
The myth that this is only a one off team - busted.
The myth that it's all down to volunteers - busted.
The myth that it was just down to Dublin getting their house in order - busted.

Again, I could go on but the comments of ignore him and telling me to trot off and your comment above tells me that you all know the myths have been busted. You all know that the funding disparity is a major issue and it's wrong. It won't stop you peddling the same myths, lies and deflection but that's not the point.

The point is for others who are unaware of just how bad the situation is to learn the facts and maybe do something about it. Contact your clubs and county boards. This process is ongoing and the more publicity it gets the better. Spread the word. Let's end the farce of Dublin operating on a professional basis in an amateur sport.

Strumms

tritium wrote: »

Why would anyone bother discussing this with you

You ignore anything that doesn’t fit your narrative

Your evidence has been soundly discredited and you’re still spouting on as if it was gospel. It’s like watching some sort of religious zealotry in action.

Thankfully you represent a tiny minority of the gaa, most are gracious enough to understand that this dublin team is the result of a combination of talent and hard work

Yep, as I said previously, when I go back to the gym , several Dublin players using the same equipment, as the like of joe soap me, two Mayo all stars, one Tipperary footballer... those are just the ones I recognize... doesn’t seem like any difficultly all to get along, have a laugh..

SheepsClothing

The clear issue is that Dublin has a quarter of the countries population and growing. Every other advantage stems from that. Sooner or later, the GAA are going to be forced to pull the trigger on a split in 4 or face into a reality where nobody bothers going to games or watching on TV anymore. It's boring.

Strumms

SheepsClothing wrote: »

The clear issue is that Dublin has a quarter of the countries population and growing. Every other advantage stems from that. Sooner or later, the GAA are going to be forced to pull the trigger on a split in 4 or face into a reality where nobody bothers going to games or watching on TV anymore. It's boring.

So we’ve gone from two to four now. Marvelous . Sure why not have a team per postcode at this rate. Mad stuff . I can’t wait for the clubs to be at the... split ballymun kickhams debate if they won a couple of club All Ireland’s on the bounce.... ‘ ahhh but they have a population center of... ‘ .

jmayo

SheepsClothing wrote: »

The clear issue is that Dublin has a quarter of the countries population and growing. Every other advantage stems from that. Sooner or later, the GAA are going to be forced to pull the trigger on a split in 4 or face into a reality where nobody bothers going to games or watching on TV anymore. It's boring.

This is what is going to happen.

Competitions based on county boundaries are doomed.
In fact they have always been unfair and most small counties bar a few have always struggled.

Kilkenny is truly an outlier, but then again they are in hurling with maybe 6 to 8 other teams and they didn't even bother fielding a football team for years.

The only other small counties in terms of size and/or population that have an odd moment in the sunshine in football have been Louth, Armagh, Cavan and Offaly.
Cavan did brilliant for years in Ulster, but they had no one to compete against.
It is now decades since Louth or Offaly have done anything.

But because you normally had a few counties vying for success at one time with all of them having a good chance of winning it papered over the cracks.
Now it is a nailed on definite who is going to win Leinster at a stroll and it is nearly as much a certainty who will win Sam.

Dubs keep on about the great Kerry team and nobody complaining about them, but that team were beaten or run close by Heffo's Dubs on many occasions.
Offaly and Cork scuppered them and caused a break in their run.

Mayo had a good chance a few years ago to stop Dublin, but between one thing and another didn't manage it.
Kerry were only close last year because they had extra man.
Mayo were not that close this year and once 50 minutes came it was game over.

Dublin is pulling away not getting closer as opposed to what happened to Dwyer's Kerry team.

Competition is necessary to keep interest.
And one or two dominant teams cause disinterest except from the supporters or fans of those teams.
And one dominant team just scuppers the whole thing.

dobman88

jmayo wrote: »

It is now decades since Louth or Offaly have done anything.

Louth were robbed in a leinster final in 2010. Its not that long ago and definitely not decades.