jmayo wrote: » This is what is going to happen. Competitions based on county boundaries are doomed. In fact they have always been unfair and most small counties bar a few have always struggled. Kilkenny is truly an outlier, but then again they are in hurling with maybe 6 to 8 other teams and they didn't even bother fielding a football team for years. The only other small counties in terms of size and/or population that have an odd moment in the sunshine in football have been Louth, Armagh, Cavan and Offaly. Cavan did brilliant for years in Ulster, but they had no one to compete against. It is now decades since Louth or Offaly have done anything. But because you normally had a few counties vying for success at one time with all of them having a good chance of winning it papered over the cracks. Now it is a nailed on definite who is going to win Leinster at a stroll and it is nearly as much a certainty who will win Sam. Dubs keep on about the great Kerry team and nobody complaining about them, but that team were beaten or run close by Heffo's Dubs on many occasions. Offaly and Cork scuppered them and caused a break in their run. Mayo had a good chance a few years ago to stop Dublin, but between one thing and another didn't manage it. Kerry were only close last year because they had extra man. Mayo were not that close this year and once 50 minutes came it was game over. Dublin is pulling away not getting closer as opposed to what happened to Dwyer's Kerry team. Competition is necessary to keep interest. And one or two dominant teams cause disinterest except from the supporters or fans of those teams. And one dominant team just scuppers the whole thing.
dunnerc wrote: » Mayo had 2 , 1 point defeats to Dublin ,and a couple of draws in recent years This year Mayo had how many new players starting ? Kerry had a 2 point and a 3 point defeat to Dublin in recent years , Drew with Dublin last year " should have won " Donegal master class v Dublin in 2014 Serious competition there
jmayo wrote: » This is what is going to happen. Competitions based on county boundaries are doomed.In fact they have always been unfair and most small counties bar a few have always struggled.
Enquiring wrote: » I agree that it is quite embarrassing for Dublin footballers to be run so close by these teams given their advantages. For instance, imagine if Kerry footballers were given 25 million since 2002, their own special development plan costing 3.8 million a year, millions on wages and team preparation costs, nearly every single championship game played at home since 2006 and so on. They'd be destroying every single team. And then they'd have to be split because one county receiving that level of funding above everyone else shouldn't be allowed to happen. I'd say Kerry men and women wouldn't get any satisfaction from winning under those circumstances anyway.
dobman88 wrote: » Louth were robbed in a leinster final in 2010. Its not that long ago and definitely not decades.
Tombo2001 wrote: » There's a lot of tradition in the all Ireland, and in the provincial championships. It would be a shame to walk away from that. Its not that long since Dublin were perrenial chokers. This whole thing is overblown.
Tombo2001 wrote: » And thats why they are going to give up their lucrative sponsorhip and state of the art training facility, and compete on similar terms to Leitrim and Longford. Right?
jmayo wrote: » One Leinster final in how many years ? I am talking about when Louth were a real force back in the 50s. And yes we know they were robbed by Meath and very very poor reffing. Funny how many times Meath have won things due to very poor reffing :rolleyes: Lads did you read what I said. Mayo were very close, but that was 2016, 2017. They were not really close this year. And yes they had new players, but some of the older lads can't be replaced that easily. The likes of Donie, Seamie, Zippy, Boyler, Parsons in their prime a few years ago have not been replaced. Leeroy some would say is not near his best anymore, granted his position this year didn't help. Yes there have been a few greats finds this year, but there isn't almost a like for like or better replacement like with the Dublin team. Mayo ran out of steam and the subs did not add to Mayo unlike the Dublin subs who really made the difference. Kerry were only close because Dublin were down to 14 so don't talk about how they nearly beat Dublin. They were hockeyed in the replay. BTW someone earlier highlighted how the winning margins are getting bigger not narrower, but carry on talking up how easy Dublin can be to beat. There were only nearly beaten a few years ago, not now.
Enquiring wrote: » How is any of that giving them an advantage?
dunnerc wrote: » Did you read the part were it was asked how many new comers started for Mayo ?Mayo are in transition , it will take a few years to get to the level of 2016/2017 Kerry also have a very young team and without doubt are improving BTW who are you to say what should be talked about ? The fact is they drew with Dublin and should have won Disagree that they were hockeyed in the replay
jmayo wrote: » Ah now that was nasty and uncalled for. And the dubs wonder why people don't like them. BTW this thread is going nowhere. Round and round in circles. Dubs will never admit they got huge funding and huge sponsorship which definitely has helped. FFS you don't need to be an Einstein to know money always helps. And when you put that money with proper structures and proper planning, well hey presto you get growth and success. And Dublin has already got the numbers to tap into with their well financed proper plans and structures. What p*sses off me, and I bet a fair others, is this shyte that the money made no difference, that it was all for kids in schools that by the arguments here must never have grown up (must go look for these eternal children next time in Dublin) and it is down to the volunteers who are just so much better and more hardworking. Lads that pile of shyte is insulting to everyone else. The latest one I have seen offered is that the Dublin players are just so much more hardworking and less interested in anything else. That last point was well alluded to in the recent interview by hickey and parroted by that gobdaw from Derry that spends too much time in Ballina. It is a fooking insult to players around the country, especially those that travel the length and breath of the country to train and play with their teams. As some has said the bedrock of the GAA has always been club and I think that is the future. PS #Enquiring you have ploughed a long and lonely furrow at times, but you might as well give up - life is too short.
tritium wrote: » You’ve already told us for about a billion pages that money structures and facilities give an advantage A poster highlights that Kerry have all of these compared to another team You ask how that gives Kerry an advantage.... Either you don’t believe it does, and you’ve wasted all our time for a billion pages or you do believe it does and you need to address how to balance other counties too. Doesn’t matter what other posters may have said, this is about the consistency of your own argument. Do we split every county for example? How much of a gap is too much? Quite baffling indeed...
StupidLikeAFox wrote: » So as a tennis fan, did the International Tennis Federation: 1. Say "Hey, Pete Sampras deserves to be no 1, let's focus the vast majority of our resources into making sure we get the absolute best out of Pete Sampras, and to hell with the other players 2. Devise and fund a special plan for Pete Sampras (and only Pete Sampras) to implement a professional coaching system that is unavailable to all other players? 3. Think that it would make sense to give the richest guy in the game the most amount of resources to pay for professional development, way above what other players could afford (despite Pete Sampras' ability to generate many multiples in sponsorship compared to any other player) If you answered no to any of the above I think your analogy is pretty weak I mean Pete Sampras was a great player and a joy to watch. He also lost about a quarter of the games he played in so there was at least some competition during his time. If it "boiled your piss" that he won 75% of the time, I wonder how you, as a tennis fan, would have felt if the ITF had been giving Pete Sampras all this special treatment for many years and any competition was being sucked out of the game completely. Also (and I get that the analogy goes a bit weird here) you would no doubt be concerned that there was a conveyor belt of Pete Samprases coming down the tracks. You'd surely say, (as a tennis fan) that maybe Andre agassi, Boris Becker and the other lads got a bit of a raw deal here and perhaps this isn't in the best interests of the game (of tennis)
Tombo2001 wrote: » A classic "this argument is going nowhere, because you lot wont agree with me" post.....
jmayo wrote: » Does your club have full time coaching resource ? Why do people involved with Dublin football seem to think the rest of us think they just got wads of cash and hey presto they were winning all round them without any effort? We all know it took proper planning, it took hiring good people and setting up good structures. And it took volunteers to do the hard yards in the evenings and at weekends. They had to give up their time for free.What we are saying though is the volunteers got resources others could not afford and could only dream of.And depending on clubs the volunteers mightn't have huge issues of having to spend time fundraising like in a lot of poorer clubs round the country. It is like some eejit saying that the only reasons Dublin senior team win is because they play all big matches at home, don't have to travel and because they are so well resourced with huge sponsorship. That would all come to nought if they didn't put in the long hours training, planning, working on their game and pushing themselves to stay at the top.
Tombo2001 wrote: » Like what? Given that there are clubs in Dublin that dont even have a pitch. What types of resources? And dont forget on the latter point - fees in Dublin clubs are wayyyyyy higher than in country clubs. Maybe that would be one way to even up the balance - pay more for your club membership. EDIT - my only issue in this debate is that people make out its some sort of financial doping, that Dublin is given an unfair amount of investment. I dont believe that is the case. Yes, more is invested in Dublin GAA - in the same way that more is invested in hospitals in Dublin for example, compared to other counties - because more people live there. That creates an unbalanced championship yes. Is there some sort of pro Dublin bias. No. Are other counties being ripped off. No.
Enquiring wrote: » Dublin GAA were drawn up a plan by a specially appointed panel. They were then granted huge resources to implement that plan. This was a Dublin only scheme. No other county had access. Nearly every club had access to their own dedicated games development officer. That is a huge resource to have. It's already been pointed out the areas these officers worked on and improved. It's made a massive difference to Dublin GAA. Across the board. People inside Dublin GAA openly admit this. And the thing is, it would have been great, seeing Gaelic games develop is something all of us want. But, why was this scheme only made available for Dublin? Is the health of Gaelic games not important in other counties? By giving Dublin special treatment, the GAA caused this mess. It's spiralled out of control. Dublin now spend close to 4 million on games development alone. No one can live with that. The wealth in Dublin on top of the Dublin only program for nearly 2 decades means that we have to split Dublin. It's unfortunate but there is no other option.
