Nora Quoirin. [Read mod note in post #1 - updated 14/08]

splinter65

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If she was my daughter I’d just bring her home and lay her to rest in Ireland and stop this horrific ordeal . What peace will it bring her family to put her poor deceased body through another autopsy? Just to prove that something sinister happened when it was just likely to be down to her being lost and wandering alone for days ?

Respectfully, until you’ve actually been in one of these situations, it’s impossible for any of us to “imagine” how you would react or feel.
So there’s really no point in declaring what you think you’d do or say if you were Nora’s parents.
Nora’s parents and extended family have to live the rest of their lives, and it would make that a little less painful if they could never, ever have to have that little nagging doubt ...”was she abducted? Did somebody hurt her? “.
An independent autopsy would bring them closer to closure.

Shop40

splinter65 wrote: »

Respectfully, until you’ve actually been in one of these situations, it’s impossible for any of us to “imagine” how you would react or feel.
So there’s really no point in declaring what you think you’d do or say if you were Nora’s parents.
Nora’s parents and extended family have to live the rest of their lives, and it would make that a little less painful if they could never, ever have to have that little nagging doubt ...”was she abducted? Did somebody hurt her? “.
An independent autopsy would bring them closer to closure.

Absolutely, they need to be sure of the truth.

Eddie B

fits wrote: »

So desperately desperately sad. They were so unlucky they didn’t find her.

So true.

Ann22

Dreadful..very soon to die from hunger, even dehydration but she might've worked herself up into a state and her poor heart couldn't cope.

ebbsy

All today there will be the usual " it's not Ireland so they cant be doing it right".

The usual crap spouted out then.

Flippyfloppy

That's such sad news the poor little pet. RIP Nora.

Some more detail below- the poor soul survived 1 week - along with the immediate family- the searchers and rescue teams must be heartbroken also.



May she Rest In Peace.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7359151/Nora-Quoirin-Schoolgirl-died-intestinal-rupture-caused-starving.html

SteelyDanJalapeno

That is so so desperately sad to know she was alive alone for 6 days, only 1.5 miles away, you'd have to wonder how effective the sniffer dogs were? How come the lost the scent so soon? Nora hardly knew where she was going so I doubt it was a straight line in any direction, so I don't understand how the dogs would lose the scent after 100ft.

It's a pity they didn't bring in any heat mapping technology.

Ann22

Thst is heartbreaking! She was in a sleeping position..poor little lamb! How frustrating for the family to know she could've been saved. Wonder did she hear her mam's voice? How in the world did she get so far on her own in that terrain...but she must've done! My God all the nights that passed...The poor child! Well the family did everything they could. Just can't fathom how they didn't find her with all the searchers they had.

screamer

To be fair that jungle was dense, and tough terrain to search. It is heartbreaking, there’s no other word for it, and nothing will lessen that for her family. We all love our kids and can’t imagine the pain of losing them, worse in such circumstances, where she was in touching distance for days.
It’s just so very tragic.

Beechwoodspark

This is awful

Story in Irish times saying Her grandfather is suspicious there’s been a cover up

odyssey06

ebbsy wrote: »

All today there will be the usual " it's not Ireland so they cant be doing it right". The usual crap spouted out then.

Our police aren't that great, and you can remind anyone who starts their post that way of same.

But are we not allowed to post reasonable queries about the course of an investigation just because it happened abroad?
Or would you also shut down queries if it happened here because the guards are the salt of the earth?

fred funk }{

Eddie B wrote: »

Yes can, but not always. I know my little boy wouldnt last many days if he were lost out in the elements. Even the thought of drinking from a stream would not register with him.

If he was desperate enough then he'd drink it, I assure you.

Darc19

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

This is awful

Story in Irish times saying Her grandfather is suspicious there’s been a cover up

It's natural for a family member to look at every possible alternative before accepting that it was simply a tragic incident.

Of course, they will then be asking themselves what else they could have done.

But they should look at how much love they gave her and how they included her in everything the family did including exotic holidays to a rainforest resort which must have been wonderful.

RIP.

Eddie B

I'm gonna unfollow this thread now that we have the answer to this tragic story. Rest in peace little angel.

Knine

fred funk }{ wrote: »

I ain't no doctor or medical professional so I don't know how hunger and stress causes internal bleeding. There's the rule of "3's", 3 minutes without air, 3 days without water and 30 days without food.

As a mother of a child with Complex Special Needs, you have to remember these kids are not typical. She was not your average 15 year old & likely had poor muscle tone. This causes bowel issues which are very common in people with a disability. You can't compare her to the average child. A few days of stress can land my daughter in A & E. Nora was also very slightly built. I can understand completely how it ended. I'm just very sad she was not found in time.

jaykay74

Everyone is an expert on everything these days. I mean in terms of definitive statements rather than curious speculation/wonderings.

SteelyDanJalapeno

SteelyDanJalapeno wrote: »

That is so so desperately sad to know she was alive alone for 6 days, only 1.5 miles away, you'd have to wonder how effective the sniffer dogs were? How come the lost the scent so soon? Nora hardly knew where she was going so I doubt it was a straight line in any direction, so I don't understand how the dogs would lose the scent after 100ft.

It's a pity they didn't bring in any heat mapping technology.

I did read somewhere throughout the last week that heat seeking equipment via helicopter was used throughout the search- however, with so many people on site in the early days and thick jungle i imagine it would have made such a search challenging.

While I might have been skeptical in the early days of the Malaysian authorities, I don't think I can fault them at present- 4km's radius of thick dense forrest searched by hundreds of troops and volunteers; a key focus on this as a missing person who wandered off which meant as much resources as possible were used on this assumption-

While I'd be interested to hear how much International expert advice was taken on board by the authorities in terms of conducting the search because it was certainly offered- I did think it odd that they cast the net so wide. In my own mind, I was thinking more like 1-2 miles max given the terrain and the person-but we can all be critics after the event and you could argue the Malaysians know their jungle best and they did use specialist troops as well as lay volunteers.

Not all volunteers would have had the experience to know what to be looking out for- maybe not all crevices or tracks were fully walked and searched. But there's no doubting that an awful lot of effort was put in by an awful lot of people.

The post-mortem appears to be thorough. If an independent one is completed back in Ireland, I'm hoping that they come to similar conclusions.

At some stage in the months or years ahead we may hear from the family themselves to hear their perspective but until then.....

Darc19

Now that all the private detective sleuths have gone (God, they were soooo wrong in every way), this thread is now full of medical experts.

Alun

There's a huge body of historical statistical data on the behaviour of people who go missing, where they go, how far, where they might hide etc. All taking into account age, sex, medical conditions etc. Thus stuff is second nature to SAR teams across the world, and they'll base their search strategy on this plus their own local knowledge.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

I did read somewhere throughout the last week that heat seeking equipment via helicopter was used throughout the search- however, with so many people on site in the early days and thick jungle i imagine it would have made such a search challenging.

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Heat seeking equipment works very differently in a jungle environment. If she had gotten into relatively thick cover it probably wouldn't find her.

shesty

Her grandfather is in the IT today, saying she was kidnapped and murdered.

I admit even before I read that I struggled with it a.I can understand how she might have died due to hunger/stress, but I cannot understand how she left the house and got as far as she did, given the fact that her family were so certain that she would not do that, or be capable of doing it.

I don't know will it ever be solved.Poor family.So hard.

fits

It might have been as simple as her stepping outside the window and going to look at something outside and getting disoriented and unable to find her way back in unfamiliar surroundings. We will never know unfortunately.

splinter65

Darc19 wrote: »

Now that all the private detective sleuths have gone (God, they were soooo wrong in every way), this thread is now full of medical experts.

If you’ve watched every episode of CSI then you’re a qualified coroner it seems.

iamwhoiam

fits wrote: »

It might have been as simple as her stepping outside the window and going to look at something outside and getting disoriented and unable to find her way back in unfamiliar surroundings. We will never know unfortunately.

Or being let lagged , disorientated , looking for the bathroom and thought the window was a door . Poor little pet might have then got lost and went deeper into the jungle

Be right back

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Or being let lagged , disorientated , looking for the bathroom and thought the window was a door . Poor little pet might have then got lost and went deeper into the jungle

Fair point. Was there any security cameras in the resort?

MarkY91

Be right back wrote: »

Fair point. Was there any security cameras in the resort?

No. According to loads of reviews I've read of the resort. Lack of security too.

iamwhoiam

Do you know Nóras medical history ? NO ? So you cannot rule anything out .This little girl had special medical needs to we cannot for one minute contradict anything without the full knowledge

Stevieluvsye

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Do you know Nóras medical history ? NO ? So you cannot rule anything out .This little girl had special medical needs to we cannot for one minute contradict anything without the full knowledge

I am questioning the verdict, as will most people.

I see the grandfather has even more outlandish ideas

fred funk }{

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Do you know N medical history ? NO ? So you cannot rule anything out .This little girl had special medical needs to we cannot for one minute contradict anything without the full knowledge

This is a discussion forum and I dont see what the problem is disagreeing with the findings as there are clearly some parts that dont make sense (at the moment).