3,140 rooms to rent & 8,500 houses to rent -what 'homeless' crisis

JustAThought

July 2019 & today there are 3,140 house share rooms and over 8,500 houses to rent on daft.ie
Isn't it about time journalists started quoting these figures when reporting 'homeless' figures.

ELM327

It's not a homeless crisis or a housing crisis, it's an "I want a free/heavily taxpayer subsidized house next to mummy" crisis.

Plumbthedepths

Ah good the daily outrage thread has been started. Care to throw up some of the rents being sought OP? First three houses that came up in my search for Dublin the first was 2800 a month the next was 15000 ( not a typo) a month and the third was 5700+ a month. You pulling the proverbial lad?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

JustAThought wrote: »

July 2019 & today there are 3,140 house share rooms and over 8,500 houses to rent on daft.ie
Isn't it about time journalists started quoting these figures when reporting 'homeless' figures.

People will need to spend money to get those houses. They aren't free you know. Where am I supposed to live if I have to pay for it? Ergo, I am homeless... :rolleyes:

Eric Cartman

ELM327 wrote: »

It's not a homeless crisis or a housing crisis, it's an "I want a free/heavily taxpayer subsidized house next to mummy" crisis.

Thats it , loads of people living in their ma’s or in a hotel prepared to turn on the waterworks and say its a disgrace and hold out till FG magically authorises the building of 3 bed semi’s with a back garden inside the m50

dudara

ELM327 wrote: »

It's not a homeless crisis or a housing crisis, it's an "I want a free/heavily taxpayer subsidized house next to mummy" crisis.

There is an element of this, yes, but there’s also no denying that rents are exorbitantly high in Dublin, this putting homes out of reach of many people. This rental crisis is impacting lower paid employees, but is also reaching upwards and impacting salaried people who wouldn’t previously have experienced this.

When you see Daft ads showing rooms crammed full of bunk beds, you have to despair. This is a far more complex problem than “forever homes”

ELM327

dudara wrote: »

There is an element of this, yes, but there’s also no denying that rents are exorbitantly high in Dublin, this putting homes out of reach of many people. This rental crisis is impacting lower paid employees, but is also reaching upwards and impacting salaried people who wouldn’t previously have experienced this.

When you see Daft ads showing rooms crammed full of bunk beds, you have to despair. This is a far more complex problem than “forever homes”

in dublin.


They can however move elsewhere.
There is no crisis, just an excess in demand for dublin properties which does not exist elsewhere. Plenty of houses in Longford. Cheap too.

Stark

Giovanna High Income wrote: »

People will need to spend money to get those houses. They aren't free you know. Where am I supposed to live if I have to pay for it? Ergo, I am homeless... :rolleyes:

The average net income in Ireland is 2500 a month. How is someone on that salary supposed to afford between 2800 and 15000 a month for rent?

cfuserkildare

ELM327 wrote: »

in dublin.


They can however move elsewhere.
There is no crisis, just an excess in demand for dublin properties which does not exist elsewhere. Plenty of houses in Longford. Cheap too.

So let me see,

I work in Dublin and make €2500 a month,
If I move out of Dublin it will cost me €800 a month travel.
Plus 4 hours per day in traffic.
And still paying €1500 a month rent.

Where do you suggest the extra money required will come from??

ELM327

Stark wrote: »

The average net income in Ireland is 2500 a month. How is someone on that salary supposed to afford between 2800 and 15000 a month for rent?

Who is forcing them to?
Plenty of 3+ bed houses outside dublin for sub 100k, meaning the mortgage would be below 500p/m.

ELM327

cfuserkildare wrote: »

So let me see,

I work in Dublin and make €2500 a month,
If I move out of Dublin it will cost me €800 a month travel.
Plus 4 hours per day in traffic.
And still paying €1500 a month rent.

Where do you suggest the extra money required will come from??

Not everyone rents alone.
I live in north meath, 45 mins from work in Dublin.
Mortgage 400 pm on a 3 bed.

Plumbthedepths

cfuserkildare wrote:

Where do you suggest the extra money required will come from??

I believe the answer you will be furnished with is, upskill get a better paying job. Easy to say but not so easy to do.

ELM327

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I believe the answer you will be furnished with is, upskill get a better paying job. Easy to say but not so easy to do.

No, just use realistic figures not screeched nonsense to rent 1500 per month 2 hours from Dublin

Sweet.Science

You never have to work
Fill out a form and post it off
Go on a list
Wait on list until you receive a house or an apartment

A monster was always going to be created.

Plumbthedepths

ELM327 wrote:

No, just use realistic figures not screeched nonsense to rent 1500 per month 2 hours from Dublin

I live in Athlone several properties achieving 1500 a month, are figures nonsense if you don't like them ? Athlone to Dublin is easily a 1.30 hr possibly more drive depending on which part of the city you work in.

Boggles

JustAThought wrote: »

July 2019 & today there are 3,140 house share rooms and over 8,500 houses to rent on daft.ie

Just did that search and it came back as

Found 1,512 properties. Houses to rent in Ireland

JustAThought wrote: »

Isn't it about time journalists started quoting these figures when reporting 'homeless' figures.

I'm not so sure they should, where and how did you get them?

dudara

ELM327 wrote: »

in dublin.


They can however move elsewhere.
There is no crisis, just an excess in demand for dublin properties which does not exist elsewhere. Plenty of houses in Longford. Cheap too.

That simply does not suit everyone. If you take for example people employed in the services/hospitality industry generally poorly paid and working long/unsocial hours. They simply can’t afford the commute (timewise or coastwise).

It’s easy to say people should move further out, and that makes sense for some people, but not all. Dublin is a capital city and requires lots of people to work here to provide all the services we take for granted. They also have to live here. It’s not just for the denizens of leafy D4.

ELM327

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I live in Athlone several properties achieving 1500 a month, are figures nonsense if you don't like them ? Athlone to Dublin is easily a 1.30 hr possibly more drive depending on which part of the city you work in.

Longford is closer and cheaper?

ELM327

dudara wrote: »

That simply does not suit everyone. If you take for example people employed in the services/hospitality industry generally poorly paid and working long/unsocial hours. They simply can’t afford the commute (timewise or coastwise).

It’s easy to say people should move further out, and that makes sense for some people, but not all. Dublin is a capital city and requires lots of people to work here to provide all the services we take for granted. They also have to live here. It’s not just for the denizens of leafy D4.

These people should get jobs elsewhere.
It is not realistic to expect someone on 24k to be able to afford to rent in dublin alone.

Plumbthedepths

ELM327 wrote:

Longford is closer and cheaper?

So everyone should move to Longford , rents in Longford and house prices are on the rise due to Center Parcs. I also notice you say you pay a 400 month mortgage, easy suggestions from you to be honest.

Boggles

ELM327 wrote: »

These people should get jobs elsewhere.
It is not realistic to expect someone on 24k to be able to afford to rent in dublin alone.

You completely missed point.

But i'll put it to you this way, if everyone who does a job for 24k or less in Dublin moves out.

Who then does those jobs?

bullpost

ELM327 wrote: »

These people should get jobs elsewhere.
It is not realistic to expect someone on 24k to be able to afford to rent in dublin alone.

You do realise the economy in Dublin would collapse if that were to happen?

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I'm on 25k at the minute, luckily got an apartment 3 years ago and haven't been given the boot by the landlord yet, so it's only 1500 pm (Sharing so 750 each).

The same apartments in my complex if rented now all exceed 2000, which would be impossible for me.

When it comes to it, I'll most likely have to move out and commute (finding another job isn't an option for me).

Anywhere within a decent commute is now feeling the pressure of the move outs from Dublin, so the rent is increasing by the month in areas like Meath, Kildare, Wicklow.

Of course, if I was on the brink of becoming homeless, a 3 hour bus journey to Wexford would be the preference but it will severely affect my quality of life.

If I could move my job out of Dublin, i'd be gone with it in a heartbeat but as someone has nodded to already, Dublin is full to the brim with 24 - 32k jobs, which just about allow for renting in the place, as long as you don't plan on doing anything else.

ELM327

Boggles wrote: »

You completely missed point.

But i'll put it to you this way, if everyone who does a job for 24k or less in Dublin moves out.

Who then does those jobs?

bullpost wrote: »

You do realise the economy in Dublin would collapse if that were to happen?

People would not rent alone and be able to stay. 2*24k is 48k, 3*24k is 72k etc..



How many service industry workers can afford to live in the centre of london alone? None.

ELM327

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So everyone should move to Longford , rents in Longford and house prices are on the rise due to Center Parcs. I also notice you say you pay a 400 month mortgage, easy suggestions from you to be honest.

yes because I moved to north meath as I realised we could not easily afford to live in dublin, despite us being what most "bang the drum socialists" would describe as well off.

Plumbthedepths

ELM327 wrote:

yes because I moved to north meath as I realised we could not easily afford to live in dublin, despite us being what most "bang the drum socialists" would describe as well off.

What works for you personally is not a blueprint for everyone else, shocking I know but reality .

_blaaz

ELM327 wrote: »

People would not rent alone and be able to stay. 2*24k is 48k, 3*24k is 72k etc..



How many service industry workers can afford to live in the centre of london alone? None.

London has a functional public transport sector though......dublin has a horriffic quality of life for its citizens....i wouldnt live/work there

Boggles

ELM327 wrote: »

How many service industry workers can afford to live in the centre of london alone? None.

How many can afford to live in the centre of Dublin?

Also just because you are a service industry worker, doesn't mean you are single with no kids.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

dudara wrote: »

There is an element of this, yes, but there’s also no denying that rents are exorbitantly high in Dublin, this putting homes out of reach of many people. This rental crisis is impacting lower paid employees, but is also reaching upwards and impacting salaried people who wouldn’t previously have experienced this.

When you see Daft ads showing rooms crammed full of bunk beds, you have to despair. This is a far more complex problem than “forever homes”

That has nothing to do with homelessness. I don't agree with the crazy rental prices, but "I can't afford to live where I desire" does not a homeless crisis make.

Homelessness has completely lost it's meaning in our society, it has such a broad meaning these days.

Stark wrote: »

The average net income in Ireland is 2500 a month. How is someone on that salary supposed to afford between 2800 and 15000 a month for rent?

What's the average asking rent? Why did you pick 2800 and 15000? 2800 is not the lowest, not by a long shot. Agenda?

You could easily argue your point without exaggeration, the point will still be clear

ELM327

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

What works for you personally is not a blueprint for everyone else, shocking I know but reality .

"is not a blueprint for everyone else" =/= free taxpayer funded houses in dublin

Boggles wrote: »

How many can afford to live in the centre of Dublin?

Also just because you are a service industry worker, doesn't mean you are single with no kids.

It should be also none.

Plumbthedepths

ELM327 wrote:

"is not a blueprint for everyone else" =/= free taxpayer funded houses in dublin

Yawn. Usual nonsense.

Boggles

ELM327 wrote: »

It should be also none.

So people who work in jobs which pay 24k or less, should not be allowed get married / co-habit or have kids?

Unless i picked you up wrong. Did I?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Boggles wrote: »

So people who work in jobs which pay 24k or less, should not be allowed get married / co-habit or have kids?

Unless i picked you up wrong. Did I?

Not one, not two, but 3 strawmen in the same sentence? The poster didn't say that at all and you know it...

Boggles

Giovanna High Income wrote: »

Not one, not two, but 3 strawmen in the same sentence? The poster didn't say that at all and you know it...

I don't. That's why asked him.

But I am sure of one thing, I didn't ask you anything.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Boggles wrote: »

I don't. That's why asked him.

But I am sure of one thing, I didn't ask you anything.

You don't need to ask me anything, I am free to argue your "point" if I so wish.

What makes you think somebody on 24K should be entitled to live in the city center? It's still possible if your only ambition in life is to live in the city center :rolleyes:

What has marriage, kids or co-habiting got to do with the thread?

SusieBlue

ELM327 wrote: »

"is not a blueprint for everyone else" =/= free taxpayer funded houses in dublin

Its not about taxpayer funded houses.
I don't expect a free house. I don't want a free house.
I would like to live within a commutable distance to my job, and not have to spend 65% of my take home pay on rent.
I don't even expect to live alone, because that's so far beyond my reach I know its not realistic and it'll be a house share.

I don't think I'm asking for a lot here, and I don't think I have high expectations.

Boggles

Giovanna High Income wrote: »

You don't need to ask me anything, I am free to argue your "point" if I so wish.

I asked a very specific question to a very specific member.

But you answered.

Amazing.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Boggles wrote: »

I asked a very specific question to a very specific member.

But you answered.

Amazing.

And? It's a public forum, or haven't you noticed?

Also, deflection, unable to answer questions put to you. I have no doubt in my mind that you have an agenda

Pawwed Rig

House prices seem to have stableised and are definitely more affordable than previous boom time. I think I would agree with posters who described it as a social housing crisis rather than a housing crisis.
In the late 19th century a congested district board was established in Ireland to redistribute the population more appropriately. This would fix the 'crisis' in Dublin very quickly but would politically unpalatable.

For example, I work in the north inner city and there are huge areas housing people who have no necessity to live in a city centre. These spaces would be much better utilised sorting out working people with accommodation and redistributing the current residents around the country where populations have fallen.

Never happen though unfortunately

Boggles

Giovanna High Income wrote: »

And? It's a public forum, or haven't you noticed?

Public doesn't mean Borg.

I asked him to clarify what he meant.

Short of getting the crayons out I don't think I can explain it to you anymore.

So as you were.

whisky_galore

How many of these are affordable on an average wage and how many are in the arse end of nowhere?

ELM327

Boggles wrote: »

I don't. That's why asked him.

But I am sure of one thing, I didn't ask you anything.

The below poster answers you far more capably than I could, and furthermore I agree wholeheartedly with him.

Giovanna High Income wrote: »

Not one, not two, but 3 strawmen in the same sentence? The poster didn't say that at all and you know it...

ELM327

SusieBlue wrote: »

Its not about taxpayer funded houses.
I don't expect a free house. I don't want a free house.
I would like to live within a commutable distance to my job, and not have to spend 65% of my take home pay on rent.
I don't even expect to live alone, because that's so far beyond my reach I know its not realistic and it'll be a house share.

I don't think I'm asking for a lot here, and I don't think I have high expectations.

And if the free market cannot sustain these wants?
Do you expect a socialist government to fund your want to live in dublin, from the pockets of others (who may not be able to afford to live there either, like me) or should you move and pay your own way in society?


You dress it up very well and make some reasonable points. I don't expect nor want a free house, I would like to live within a reasonable commute and I am not living alone. I moved to somewhere that met this threshold and did not expect the taxpayer to fund my want to live in Dublin, as opposed to my need to live somewhere.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Boggles wrote: »

Public doesn't mean Borg.

No idea what that means. Public means public. If you post here, anybody can reply. Crazy, I know.

I asked him to clarify what he meant.

Is ELM327 the only person authorized to reply to your posts here? You think you are being immune from opposition here?

Short of getting the crayons out I don't think I can explain it to you anymore.

How ironic, lol. You are throwing a strop because somebody quoted on on boards.ie. No need to throw your toys out of your pram.

So as you were.

Oh, ending on a condescending tone I see. More deflection

@ELM327 could you ask Boggles why he think's people who are on 24K or less should be entitled to prime real estate in our capital? And what has marriage, kids or co-habiting got to do with the thread?

He seems to have a very strange complex preventing him from engaging with anybody but you. Maybe he's not capable of arguing and this is his way of deflecting. Odd.

What is more important to people?
1. Where they live?
2. What they work as?

If it is 1, then you need to find a job that allows you to afford this luxury, which may involve re-training, and may take some time.
If it is 2, then they need to consider where they can afford to live based on the salary that they earn, and whether the job exists in an affordable location.

If you work in a niche market, that pays very little, and work only exists in a limited area, then you need some compromise. Such as long commutes, house sharing, etc. Realistically, very few people should be in this position.

If you work in a job, that requires very little training, experience, know-how, you are not going to be earning much more than the minimum wage.If you are earning just above the minimum wage, then generally, you are going to massively impacted with regards to having choice in where you live.
You can't have an easy job (low paid) and an ideal place to live (expensive)

I really struggle to see why people look down on the idea of living and working outside of the M50, especially those who haven't tried it. A lot of these places are actually fantastic places to live and work. I've done so, and the work life balance is so much more relaxing.

thenightman

Giovanna High Income wrote: »

People will need to spend money to get those houses. They aren't free you know. Where am I supposed to live if I have to pay for it? Ergo, I am homeless... :rolleyes:

Myself and partner work full time and whatever overtime available and cannot afford to rent together and cover bills/food/health insurance and save for a permanent home (which is required due to the ****eness of landlords here who **** you out on premise of selling the house or letting to a family member then re-list house for rent at 50% rent increase or let it on Airbnb, which has happened us twice)

Your condescending attitude is half the problem with this country. I also work with vulnerable people and I tell you, if you had to experience a day being thrown out of a manky hostel in the morning, walk the streets all day sun/rain/shine and then desperately ring the homeless free phone each evening in order to just have a roof over your head ("sorry full, do you want a sleeping bag?" is common response) you wouldn't be so sneering.

Boggles

Giovanna High Income wrote: »

@ELM327 could you ask Boggles why he think's people who are on 24K or less should be entitled to prime real estate in our capital?

Could you point out where I thought that?

I'll give you a clue, I didn't.

Very weird. Answering for people and now posting for people.

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

I really struggle to see why people look down on the idea of living and working outside of the M50

Quite simply not everyone are in the position to do it, also I don't think it is a case of people Looking down on it.

SusieBlue

ELM327 wrote: »

And if the free market cannot sustain these wants?
Do you expect a socialist government to fund your want to live in dublin, from the pockets of others (who may not be able to afford to live there either, like me) or should you move and pay your own way in society?


You dress it up very well and make some reasonable points. I don't expect nor want a free house, I would like to live within a reasonable commute and I am not living alone. I moved to somewhere that met this threshold and did not expect the taxpayer to fund my want to live in Dublin, as opposed to my need to live somewhere.

As an educated working single woman on a relatively low income with no children, I receive absolutely no government assistance whatsoever, despite paying tax. No medical card, FIS, or council house for me.
So I have no idea where your getting that BS about paying my way. I already do and always have.
I don't expect or want anything for free.

My commute to work is presently 1hr and 20 minutes, and I don't live/work in Dublin. How much further away should I move?

The capital (and indeed other big cities such as Cork) needs low income staff to function. Its not reasonable to expect these people to travel 3hrs each way every day to go to work. The cities would collapse without them.

Those who do not work, by choice or otherwise, get many forms of government assistance as it is.
I don't think its unreasonable to suggest that those who actually do work should be able to enjoy a decent standard of living.
Paying €800 a month for a box room in a house with 5 strangers 90 minutes from your job is not something that is sustainable or acceptable long term.

How does one save for a mortgage when paying that kind of money on rent? And so the cycle continues.

Not denying there is probably some decently priced rentals in Longford and Laois, but those are typically areas of poor employment opportunities. Hence people move to Dublin to have a better shot at a well paying job. Or indeed any job at all, if they aren't that skilled or experienced.
Do you not see the flaw in your logic?

Pawwed Rig

thenightman wrote: »

Myself and partner work full time and whatever overtime available and cannot afford to rent together and cover bills/food/health insurance and save for a permanent home (which is required due to the ****eness of landlords here who **** you out on premise of selling the house or letting to a family member then re-list house for rent at 50% rent increase or let it on Airbnb, which has happened us twice

Did you take a case to RTB? If not why not?

Your post comes across as very entitled. You seem to think you have a right to earn enough money to rent aswell as save significant amounts. Why are you entitled to this exactly?

Blackcurrent Lemsip

OP instead of running with a few figures of properties which might already be let, maybe try find out how easy it is to get one of them rooms or properties.

Our daughter is starting college in Galway (well CAO pending) and we will be paying accommodation for her. She/we have contacted numerous properties and even though she has our financial backing there is always a reason for rejection. Rooms are being let in the space of hours.

Rooms are anything from 400 to 800 in Galway for a small room big enough for a desk