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3,140 rooms to rent & 8,500 houses to rent -what 'homeless' crisis

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  • 10-07-2019 9:17am
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    Registered Users Posts: 5,323 ✭✭✭


    July 2019 & today there are 3,140 house share rooms and over 8,500 houses to rent on daft.ie
    Isn't it about time journalists started quoting these figures when reporting 'homeless' figures.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,406 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    It's not a homeless crisis or a housing crisis, it's an "I want a free/heavily taxpayer subsidized house next to mummy" crisis.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Ah good the daily outrage thread has been started. Care to throw up some of the rents being sought OP? First three houses that came up in my search for Dublin the first was 2800 a month the next was 15000 ( not a typo) a month and the third was 5700+ a month. You pulling the proverbial lad?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    July 2019 & today there are 3,140 house share rooms and over 8,500 houses to rent on daft.ie
    Isn't it about time journalists started quoting these figures when reporting 'homeless' figures.

    People will need to spend money to get those houses. They aren't free you know. Where am I supposed to live if I have to pay for it? Ergo, I am homeless... :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    ELM327 wrote: »
    It's not a homeless crisis or a housing crisis, it's an "I want a free/heavily taxpayer subsidized house next to mummy" crisis.

    Thats it , loads of people living in their ma’s or in a hotel prepared to turn on the waterworks and say its a disgrace and hold out till FG magically authorises the building of 3 bed semi’s with a back garden inside the m50


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,519 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    ELM327 wrote: »
    It's not a homeless crisis or a housing crisis, it's an "I want a free/heavily taxpayer subsidized house next to mummy" crisis.

    There is an element of this, yes, but there’s also no denying that rents are exorbitantly high in Dublin, this putting homes out of reach of many people. This rental crisis is impacting lower paid employees, but is also reaching upwards and impacting salaried people who wouldn’t previously have experienced this.

    When you see Daft ads showing rooms crammed full of bunk beds, you have to despair. This is a far more complex problem than “forever homes”


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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,406 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    dudara wrote: »
    There is an element of this, yes, but there’s also no denying that rents are exorbitantly high in Dublin, this putting homes out of reach of many people. This rental crisis is impacting lower paid employees, but is also reaching upwards and impacting salaried people who wouldn’t previously have experienced this.

    When you see Daft ads showing rooms crammed full of bunk beds, you have to despair. This is a far more complex problem than “forever homes”
    in dublin.


    They can however move elsewhere.
    There is no crisis, just an excess in demand for dublin properties which does not exist elsewhere. Plenty of houses in Longford. Cheap too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,895 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    People will need to spend money to get those houses. They aren't free you know. Where am I supposed to live if I have to pay for it? Ergo, I am homeless... :rolleyes:

    The average net income in Ireland is 2500 a month. How is someone on that salary supposed to afford between 2800 and 15000 a month for rent?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,573 ✭✭✭cfuserkildare


    ELM327 wrote: »
    in dublin.


    They can however move elsewhere.
    There is no crisis, just an excess in demand for dublin properties which does not exist elsewhere. Plenty of houses in Longford. Cheap too.

    So let me see,

    I work in Dublin and make €2500 a month,
    If I move out of Dublin it will cost me €800 a month travel.
    Plus 4 hours per day in traffic.
    And still paying €1500 a month rent.

    Where do you suggest the extra money required will come from??


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,406 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Stark wrote: »
    The average net income in Ireland is 2500 a month. How is someone on that salary supposed to afford between 2800 and 15000 a month for rent?
    Who is forcing them to?
    Plenty of 3+ bed houses outside dublin for sub 100k, meaning the mortgage would be below 500p/m.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,406 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    So let me see,

    I work in Dublin and make €2500 a month,
    If I move out of Dublin it will cost me €800 a month travel.
    Plus 4 hours per day in traffic.
    And still paying €1500 a month rent.

    Where do you suggest the extra money required will come from??


    Not everyone rents alone.
    I live in north meath, 45 mins from work in Dublin.
    Mortgage 400 pm on a 3 bed.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Where do you suggest the extra money required will come from??


    I believe the answer you will be furnished with is, upskill get a better paying job. Easy to say but not so easy to do.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,406 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I believe the answer you will be furnished with is, upskill get a better paying job. Easy to say but not so easy to do.
    No, just use realistic figures not screeched nonsense to rent 1500 per month 2 hours from Dublin


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,837 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    You never have to work
    Fill out a form and post it off
    Go on a list
    Wait on list until you receive a house or an apartment

    A monster was always going to be created.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    ELM327 wrote:
    No, just use realistic figures not screeched nonsense to rent 1500 per month 2 hours from Dublin


    I live in Athlone several properties achieving 1500 a month, are figures nonsense if you don't like them ? Athlone to Dublin is easily a 1.30 hr possibly more drive depending on which part of the city you work in.


  • Registered Users Posts: 39,600 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    July 2019 & today there are 3,140 house share rooms and over 8,500 houses to rent on daft.ie

    Just did that search and it came back as
    Found 1,512 properties. Houses to rent in Ireland
    Isn't it about time journalists started quoting these figures when reporting 'homeless' figures.

    I'm not so sure they should, where and how did you get them? :confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,519 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    ELM327 wrote: »
    in dublin.


    They can however move elsewhere.
    There is no crisis, just an excess in demand for dublin properties which does not exist elsewhere. Plenty of houses in Longford. Cheap too.

    That simply does not suit everyone. If you take for example people employed in the services/hospitality industry generally poorly paid and working long/unsocial hours. They simply can’t afford the commute (timewise or coastwise).

    It’s easy to say people should move further out, and that makes sense for some people, but not all. Dublin is a capital city and requires lots of people to work here to provide all the services we take for granted. They also have to live here. It’s not just for the denizens of leafy D4.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,406 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I live in Athlone several properties achieving 1500 a month, are figures nonsense if you don't like them ? Athlone to Dublin is easily a 1.30 hr possibly more drive depending on which part of the city you work in.


    Longford is closer and cheaper?


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,406 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    dudara wrote: »
    That simply does not suit everyone. If you take for example people employed in the services/hospitality industry generally poorly paid and working long/unsocial hours. They simply can’t afford the commute (timewise or coastwise).

    It’s easy to say people should move further out, and that makes sense for some people, but not all. Dublin is a capital city and requires lots of people to work here to provide all the services we take for granted. They also have to live here. It’s not just for the denizens of leafy D4.


    These people should get jobs elsewhere.
    It is not realistic to expect someone on 24k to be able to afford to rent in dublin alone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    ELM327 wrote:
    Longford is closer and cheaper?


    So everyone should move to Longford , rents in Longford and house prices are on the rise due to Center Parcs. I also notice you say you pay a 400 month mortgage, easy suggestions from you to be honest.


  • Registered Users Posts: 39,600 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    ELM327 wrote: »
    These people should get jobs elsewhere.
    It is not realistic to expect someone on 24k to be able to afford to rent in dublin alone.

    You completely missed point.

    But i'll put it to you this way, if everyone who does a job for 24k or less in Dublin moves out.

    Who then does those jobs?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,207 ✭✭✭bullpost


    ELM327 wrote: »
    These people should get jobs elsewhere.
    It is not realistic to expect someone on 24k to be able to afford to rent in dublin alone.

    You do realise the economy in Dublin would collapse if that were to happen?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    I'm on 25k at the minute, luckily got an apartment 3 years ago and haven't been given the boot by the landlord yet, so it's only 1500 pm (Sharing so 750 each).

    The same apartments in my complex if rented now all exceed 2000, which would be impossible for me.

    When it comes to it, I'll most likely have to move out and commute (finding another job isn't an option for me).

    Anywhere within a decent commute is now feeling the pressure of the move outs from Dublin, so the rent is increasing by the month in areas like Meath, Kildare, Wicklow.

    Of course, if I was on the brink of becoming homeless, a 3 hour bus journey to Wexford would be the preference but it will severely affect my quality of life.

    If I could move my job out of Dublin, i'd be gone with it in a heartbeat but as someone has nodded to already, Dublin is full to the brim with 24 - 32k jobs, which just about allow for renting in the place, as long as you don't plan on doing anything else.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,406 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Boggles wrote: »
    You completely missed point.

    But i'll put it to you this way, if everyone who does a job for 24k or less in Dublin moves out.

    Who then does those jobs?
    bullpost wrote: »
    You do realise the economy in Dublin would collapse if that were to happen?




    People would not rent alone and be able to stay. 2*24k is 48k, 3*24k is 72k etc..



    How many service industry workers can afford to live in the centre of london alone? None.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,406 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    So everyone should move to Longford , rents in Longford and house prices are on the rise due to Center Parcs. I also notice you say you pay a 400 month mortgage, easy suggestions from you to be honest.


    yes because I moved to north meath as I realised we could not easily afford to live in dublin, despite us being what most "bang the drum socialists" would describe as well off.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    ELM327 wrote:
    yes because I moved to north meath as I realised we could not easily afford to live in dublin, despite us being what most "bang the drum socialists" would describe as well off.


    What works for you personally is not a blueprint for everyone else, shocking I know but reality .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    ELM327 wrote: »
    People would not rent alone and be able to stay. 2*24k is 48k, 3*24k is 72k etc..



    How many service industry workers can afford to live in the centre of london alone? None.

    London has a functional public transport sector though......dublin has a horriffic quality of life for its citizens....i wouldnt live/work there


  • Registered Users Posts: 39,600 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    ELM327 wrote: »
    How many service industry workers can afford to live in the centre of london alone? None.

    How many can afford to live in the centre of Dublin?

    Also just because you are a service industry worker, doesn't mean you are single with no kids.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    dudara wrote: »
    There is an element of this, yes, but there’s also no denying that rents are exorbitantly high in Dublin, this putting homes out of reach of many people. This rental crisis is impacting lower paid employees, but is also reaching upwards and impacting salaried people who wouldn’t previously have experienced this.

    When you see Daft ads showing rooms crammed full of bunk beds, you have to despair. This is a far more complex problem than “forever homes”

    That has nothing to do with homelessness. I don't agree with the crazy rental prices, but "I can't afford to live where I desire" does not a homeless crisis make.

    Homelessness has completely lost it's meaning in our society, it has such a broad meaning these days.
    Stark wrote: »
    The average net income in Ireland is 2500 a month. How is someone on that salary supposed to afford between 2800 and 15000 a month for rent?

    What's the average asking rent? Why did you pick 2800 and 15000? 2800 is not the lowest, not by a long shot. Agenda?

    You could easily argue your point without exaggeration, the point will still be clear ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,406 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    What works for you personally is not a blueprint for everyone else, shocking I know but reality .


    "is not a blueprint for everyone else" =/= free taxpayer funded houses in dublin


    Boggles wrote: »
    How many can afford to live in the centre of Dublin?

    Also just because you are a service industry worker, doesn't mean you are single with no kids.
    It should be also none.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    ELM327 wrote:
    "is not a blueprint for everyone else" =/= free taxpayer funded houses in dublin


    Yawn. Usual nonsense.


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