3,140 rooms to rent & 8,500 houses to rent -what 'homeless' crisis

Eric Cartman

Sleeper12 wrote: »

You totally missed my point. I don't have a problem with landlords making a profit. I'm not having a pop at landlords. I'm a landlord myself. I'd rather not have rent pressure zones.

My point is that the reason we have 100s applying for the same property at high rent is purely because we have a housing crisis. In other words this is proof that there is a housing crisis /shortage. If there was no shortage of housing rents would be lower & tenants wouldn't have to to handstands in an attempt to be able to find somewhere to rent.

and you missed my point kind of too.
If there was more money in it, there would be more houses built to rent. Its just not a worthwhile investment for the small players now.

Eric Cartman

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Suggesting that people should live where they can afford is hardly fascism! That is what most people do surely? I know when I was buying a house I looked for the nicest area within my price range. Do most people not do that when buying?

For my starter home I lived in a God awful Midlands town for a few years as that is what I could afford at the time.

There is a marked difference between this 'crisis' and the previous boom in that people are no longer willing to travel long distances in order to own a home.

well whats long distance has changed, commuting from portlaoise or even newbridge to the city centre every single day would have been considered mad in 2006 , now newbridge has better transport to the city because many can just about barely afford to live that close and have to commute from there.

I also think the tide is turning for many irish people, many younger people cannot drive, have no interest in it and just see car ownership as another way for the government to shaft you.

Greyfox

Cyclical Apocalypse wrote: »

But of course rabid right wingers like you don't believe that anyone who is unfortunate enough to have a disability or find themselves locked out of the job market for whatever reason deserve any support and should be ferried off at the next opportunity to ghettos out of your site.

And here's the rabid left wingers

Let's shout about the person with a disability so that everyone overlooks the fact that most non workers are in good health and don't need to live in Dublin.

Eric Cartman

Greyfox wrote: »

And here's the rabid left wingers

Let's shout about the person with a disability so that everyone overlooks the fact that most non workers are in good health and don't need to live in Dublin.

its the lefts favourite tool 'lets take this less than 1% edge case, make sure theres a buzz word in there, and the person has to be black, or disabled or in some other way worthy of massive amounts of pity and use that as a justification for a policy that lets people who chose to live on welfare life long get a free x or get access to y because not doing it would hurt that edge case.

Social housing
immigration
increasing welfare
ending direct provision and letting them all stay
etc....

Cyclical Apocalypse

Greyfox wrote: »

And here's the rabid left wingers

Let's shout about the person with a disability so that everyone overlooks the fact that most non workers are in good health and don't need to live in Dublin.

I don't suppose you have any source to back up that claim?

Oh and by the way, I don't class myself as left-wing. In fact, some issues I lean to the right.

James Brown

Greyfox wrote: »

And here's the rabid left wingers

Let's shout about the person with a disability so that everyone overlooks the fact that most non workers are in good health and don't need to live in Dublin.

Should the unemployed move away from family and friends to remain unemployed in some rural backwater because they currently have no job? Should we do the same for the sick and elderly?
As is happening right now, you might be a hard working tax payer but are you earning enough to justify or afford taking up space in the city?
We lose community so those wealthier can have apartments in the city.

Eric Cartman

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Should they move away from family and friends to remain unemployed in some rural backwater because they currently have no job? Should we do the same for the sick and elderly?

working people have to move away from friends and family all the time, like can you just answer me why in this instance where space and housing in the city is limited that any unemployed person deserves what employed people currently cannot afford to have.

Sleeper12

Eric Cartman wrote:

and you missed my point kind of too. If there was more money in it, there would be more houses built to rent. Its just not a worthwhile investment for the small players now.

It's nothing to do with landlords. You seem a bit hung up on this. There aren't enough homes for sale either. I only used rentals as an example. There is a housing crisis. This covers renters and buyers. Not enough houses. If we had more homes, rent would come down and there would be fewer on the housing list. Plenty of homeless people are working. They just don't have somewhere they can afford to live in. Many have been put on the street by landlords selling up.

Pawwed Rig

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Should the unemployed move away from family and friends to remain unemployed in some rural backwater because they currently have no job?

The employed have to do it. Do we value unemployed people more than employed?

James Brown

Eric Cartman wrote: »

working people have to move away from friends and family all the time, like can you just answer me why in this instance where space and housing in the city is limited that any unemployed person deserves what employed people currently cannot afford to have.

If someone loses their job they should leave their family, friends, neighbourhood and live on the dole in the sticks?
To answer you, people with more money will always have more options than those who have less. Nicer house, nicer area etc. Taking away or refusing the chance of same to people because they are unemployed or poorer is not a society I want any part of paying towards. That's why we need social and affordable housing, coupled with a free market for those capable of paying more for something better.

James Brown

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

The employed have to do it. Do we value unemployed people more than employed?

Equally in a decent society.

Eric Cartman

Matt Barrett wrote: »

If someone loses their job they should leave their family, friends, neighbourhood and live on the dole in the sticks?
To answer you, people with more money will always have more options than those who have less. Nicer house, nicer area etc. Taking away or refusing the chance of same to people because they are unemployed or poorer is not a society I want any part of paying towards. That's why we need social and affordable housing, coupled with a free market for those capable of paying more for something better.

as you can see my suggestion was somebody who had never worked or was long term unemployed, its not a case of your p45 and bus eireann ticket to easkey showing up at the same time.

until affordable rents for everyone who needs to be in the city and a demand is met, theres no room in my head to offer housing to anyone unemployed long term.

Sleeper12

Pawwed Rig wrote:

Suggesting that people should live where they can afford is hardly fascism! That is what most people do surely? I know when I was buying a house I looked for the nicest area within my price range. Do most people not do that when buying?

So someone who has their work hours cut should pack in the job and move down the sticks? I think that is very short sighted. Keeping them close to work gives them a realistic chance of going back to full employment.

The Specialist

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Suggesting that people should live where they can afford is hardly fascism! That is what most people do surely? I know when I was buying a house I looked for the nicest area within my price range. Do most people not do that when buying?

For my starter home I lived in a God awful Midlands town for a few years as that is what I could afford at the time.

There is a marked difference between this 'crisis' and the previous boom in that people are no longer willing to travel long distances in order to own a home.

You are spot on but we also have a class of people who will never contribute to the state and have never contributed to the state with their hands out looking for taxpayer funded houses. The rest of us work out arses off week in week out just to pay rent and keep the lights on and these parasites feel they are entitled to things we have to work years for. This country is going to turn ugly before much longer because that situation is not acceptable to the majority or sustainable in the long run.

Pawwed Rig

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Equally in a decent society.

So why do those on the housing lists get to demand a house in a certain area when the working person has to move away from family and friends to where they can afford?
I am from the north side of Dublin and my immediate group of friends are scattered to Navan, Clane, Sallins x 2 and Portlaoise. All due to being unable to afford within their local area. Their neighbour's who have never done a tap of work have houses in their old estates.

James Brown

Eric Cartman wrote: »

as you can see my suggestion was somebody who had never worked or was long term unemployed, its not a case of your p45 and bus eireann ticket to easkey showing up at the same time.

until affordable rents for everyone who needs to be in the city and a demand is met, theres no room in my head to offer housing to anyone unemployed long term.

As with many other things we need fix what we already have rather than throw our hands up. We can find any fraudsters out and that should be a priority as with those behind on rent. Welfare and social housing are two great ideas.

If we don't provide social housing we are simply going to be paying for more hotels.

The Specialist

Matt Barrett wrote: »

As with many other things we need fix what we already have rather than throw our hands up. We can find any fraudsters out and that should be a priority as with those behind on rent. Welfare and social housing are two great ideas.

If we don't provide social housing we are simply going to be paying for more hotels.

Maybe we just need to stop the hotels completely? Name your closest family and friends and get them to provide an explanation why they can’t offer you a room for a few weeks until you get back on your feet. Reasonable excuses get temporary housing, the nonsensical bull****ters get told to **** off and stop and pulling a fast one. We are too soft.

end of the road

The Specialist wrote: »

Maybe we just need to stop the hotels completely? Name your closest family and friends and get them to provide an explanation why they can’t offer you a room for a few weeks until you get back on your feet. Reasonable excuses get temporary housing, the nonsensical bull****ters get told to **** off and stop and pulling a fast one. We are too soft.

we aren't too soft at all.
your idea is unworkable for the simple reason a private individual does not have to explain to anyone else as to why they can't provide accommodation to someone and nor should they have that obligation.

The Specialist

end of the road wrote: »

we aren't too soft at all.
suggesting we are is hyperbolic guff.
your idea is unworkable for the simple reason a private individual does not have to explain to anyone else as to why they can't provide accommodation to someone and nor should they have that obligation.

But the rest of us should be obligated to put these people in hotels at 100s a night on their word alone? Sorry but we are too soft - we need a much tougher system that isn’t afraid to ask hard questions of people claiming to be in these circumstances.

_blaaz

The Specialist wrote: »

But the rest of us should be obligated to put these people in hotels at 100s a night on their word alone? Sorry but we are too soft - we need a much tougher system that isn’t afraid to ask hard questions of people claiming to be in these circumstances.

We pay a ****ton of tax to pay for these hotels??


Why would we have to put people up aswell??

end of the road

The Specialist wrote: »

But the rest of us should be obligated to put these people in hotels at 100s a night on their word alone?

i do not believe we put people in hotels on their word alone. i have no doubt that things are checked out as much as is possible to do so.

The Specialist wrote: »

Sorry but we are too soft - we need a much tougher system that isn’t afraid to ask hard questions of people claiming to be in these circumstances.

we are not to soft, and i do believe we have a tough system that asks questions, but which is also realistic and understands that people will slip through however tough the system is

The Specialist

end of the road wrote: »

i do not believe we put people in hotels on their word alone. i have no doubt that things are checked out as much as is possible to do so.

I’m highly skeptical of that

we are not to soft, and i do believe we have a tough system that asks questions, but which is also realistic and understands that people will slip through however tough the system is

The problem is the media - a bunch of cowards afraid to dig in to the real reasons for 10k homeless but who perpetually bleat the figures proudly in that familiar mantra “it’s the gubbermints fault and the bankers”. **** personal responsibility in 2019 Ireland - the ones who practice it get screwed left right and centre and the ones who don’t get cooed in to nice free houses.

We are too soft on wasters and parasites in this country and reward them too well for doing **** all to better themselves.

flas

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So everyone should move to Longford , rents in Longford and house prices are on the rise due to Center Parcs. I also notice you say you pay a 400 month mortgage, easy suggestions from you to be honest.

There are currently 6 houses for rent in Longford Town, and from being from down here, not much more than that ever come up, it's really hard to try and find a place to live here, we got lucky, we knew the landlord of where we live now, place before that we were searching for weeks and weeks to find somewhere that wasn't surrounded by drugs fued participants... Me and my wife both still work in Dublin, train up and down every day, its not doable long term, we are lucky as in low on a transfer list in work closer to home, if we weren't we would not be working in Dublin anymore, it's not worth it

Nermal

It was a mistake in the first place to legislate that people have a 'right' to accommodation. If your 'right' to something can only be fulfilled by taking from others, it shouldn't be fulfilled at all. The empty houses in the country would fill up rather quickly if urban councils were not legally obliged to provide accommodation for everyone who turns up at their doors.

end of the road

The Specialist wrote: »

The problem is the media - a bunch of cowards afraid to dig in to the real reasons for 10k homeless but who perpetually bleat the figures proudly in that familiar mantra “it’s the gubbermints fault and the bankers”.

they do report the reasons where and when they can. at least tv and radio do.
now i can understand that the reasons may not fit in with your viewpoint, but that isn't the problem of the media to be fair.
the media can only report the facts, sometimes they may not be what we want to hear but that is fine and how it should be IMO.

The Specialist wrote: »

**** personal responsibility in 2019 Ireland

personal responsibility is alive in the vast vast majority of the population however it is only going to carry any of us so far before it is unable to do any more.

The Specialist wrote: »

the ones who practice it get screwed left right and centre

some do and some don't.

The Specialist wrote: »

and the ones who don’t get cooed in to nice free houses.

they generally don't.

The Specialist wrote: »

We are too soft on wasters and parasites in this country and reward them too well for doing **** all to better themselves.

we don't reward anybody as it should be. we help those in need as is right. if someone is not bettering themselves it is because it is not possible for them to do so.

end of the road

Nermal wrote: »

It was a mistake in the first place to legislate that people have a 'right' to accommodation.

it wasn't. it was absolutely necessary to insure lower costs for us all in the long term. people running riot on the streets with no where to go is not something i want to have to pay to clean up if it can be avoided.

Nermal wrote: »

If your 'right' to something can only be fulfilled by taking from others, it shouldn't be fulfilled at all.

in that case none of our rights should be fulfilled. no education, no health service, no schools or hospitals or gardai as they involve taking something from us all, money. i have a right to keep all of my money. accept when it is decided that isn't the case as we need services for the good of society as a whole.

Nermal wrote: »

The empty houses in the country would fill up rather quickly if urban councils were not legally obliged to provide accommodation for everyone who turns up at their doors.

IMO this is speculation and wishful thinking with nothing to show it to be the case in reality.

n97 mini

SusieBlue wrote: »

Exactly. I work about a 15/20 minute drive from my job. If I want to make it in for 8am, I need to get the 6:40am bus. To get that bus I need to leave home at 6:15am.
And yet I'm still late for work a few times a month, due to the bus not showing up, being too full, or being stuck in traffic.

I'm lucky that I can walk it in roughly an hour or so if the weather is good but that isn't always possible in this climate, particularly in the winter.

You really need to buy a car, or move. I used to have a 2 hour commute by public transport until i got a car, which made it a 20 minute commute. Seriously, help yourself. No-one else is goi6to solve your problems.

The Specialist

end of the road wrote: »

they do report the reasons where and when they can. at least tv and radio do.
now i can understand that the reasons may not fit in with your viewpoint, but that isn't the problem of the media to be fair.
the media can only report the facts, sometimes they may not be what we want to hear but that is fine and how it should be IMO.

The facts like Margaret Cash and Erica Fleming?? 2 poster children circle jerked over in the media as affllicted little darlings?

personal responsibility is alive in the vast vast majority of the population however it is only going to carry any of us so far before it is unable to do any more.

Only proving my point - there’s only so far hard working taxpayers will tolerate this bull**** before something snaps.

we don't reward anybody as it should be. we help those in need as is right. if someone is not bettering themselves it is because it is not possible for them to do so.

There is no such thing as impossible to do so when it comes to being on the dole - don’t give me that **** that they “can’t” better themselves to get a job. The problem is they feel even jobs like McDonald’s are beneath them and they have no reason to get out of bed once all the benefits are in on time. The likes of you are only enabling these wasters with your attitude.

end of the road

n97 mini wrote: »

You really need to buy a car, or move. I used to have a 2 hour commute by public transport until i got a car, which made it a 20 minute commute. Seriously, help yourself. No-one else is goi6to solve your problems.

we are all helping ourselves, however many have reached the limit to how much they are able to help themselves. they can't help themselves any further, they are stuck and have no viable options but what they have. any other options remove more of their income or destroy their quality of life.
no one else is going to solve your problems is a nice soundbite but that is all it is . a sound bite that does not solve anyone's situation or provide solutions.

The Specialist wrote: »

The facts like Margaret Cash and Erica Fleming?? 2 poster children circle jerked over in the media as affllicted little darlings?

yes, the facts about them were available.

The Specialist wrote: »

Only proving my point - there’s only so far hard working taxpayers will tolerate this bull**** before something snaps.

i couldn't agree more. plenty of them are effected by this housing crisis, in fact, most of those effected are tax payers i would suspect.

The Specialist wrote: »

There is no such thing as impossible to do so when it comes to being on the dole - don’t give me that **** that they “can’t” better themselves to get a job. The problem is they feel even jobs like McDonald’s are beneath them and they have no reason to get out of bed once all the benefits are in on time. The likes of you are only enabling these wasters with your attitude.

there is such thing as impossible to do. what is possible for me or you, may not always be possible for someone else. for some of those unemployed, it is not possible for them to better themselves to the high standards fussy employers expect these days.
jobs like mcdonalds don't pay a wage that is viable for one to live on in this high cost country. wages need to provide a good living and quality of life.
my attitude is enabling the worker. it is about enabling the quality of life for all to improve, insuring a happy healthy nation, which is good for all.

Graces7

end of the road wrote: »

we are all helping ourselves, however many have reached the limit to how much they are able to help themselves. they can't help themselves any further, they are stuck and have no viable options but what they have. any other options remove more of their income or destroy their quality of life.


there is such thing as impossible to do. what is possible for me or you, may not always be possible for someone else. for some of those unemployed, it is not possible for them to better themselves to the high standards fussy employers expect these days.
jobs like mcdonalds don't pay a wage that is viable for one to live on in this high cost country. wages need to provide a good living and quality of life.
my attitude is enabling the worker. it is about enabling the quality of life for all to improve, insuring a happy healthy nation, which is good for all.

For this compassionate realism, thank you.