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Gemma not taking enforced retirement too well

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    #3452
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,460 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    recedite wrote: »
    I used it yesterday.

    And not one of us will be surprised at that.


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    #3453
    davedanon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    It's news to me, and I suspect most people, that those were originally the definitions of First, second and third worlds. So it's essentially meaningless, and now obsolete anyway. The cold war ended decades ago. Nobody thinks of Second World, and First world is the western democracies. Third World is Africa and other parts of the developing world.


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    #3454
    cookie1977
    Registered Users Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    davedanon wrote: »
    It's news to me, and I suspect most people, that those were originally the definitions of First, second and third worlds. So it's essentially meaningless, and now obsolete anyway. The cold war ended decades ago. Nobody thinks of Second World, and First world is the western democracies. Third World is Africa and other parts of the developing world.
    Language and words are powerful and have meaning. It tells us a lot about what someone thinks and feels by the language and words they use.


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    #3455
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    davedanon wrote: »
    It's news to me, and I suspect most people, that those were originally the definitions of First, second and third worlds. So it's essentially meaningless, and now obsolete anyway. The cold war ended decades ago. Nobody thinks of Second World, and First world is the western democracies. Third World is Africa and other parts of the developing world.*

    *I'm ignorant, and so, I assume everyone else is too.


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    #3456
    davedanon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    I'd say it's a reasonably good guess.


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    #3457
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,070 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Kimsang wrote: »
    This is what I said. If that means 'up in the air' you have a problem with comprehension.



    Says the person who dares to ask me questions, and purposeful avoid the bolded question asked of you 3 times which you are still yet to answer.
    Would you call the entire populations of Japan and China racist?

    ................




    It's not possible to say that, rather obviously. That doesn't mean that Chinese & Japanese racism doesn't exist.


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    #3458
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    davedanon wrote: »
    It's news to me, and I suspect most people, that those were originally the definitions of First, second and third worlds. So it's essentially meaningless, and now obsolete anyway. The cold war ended decades ago. Nobody thinks of Second World, and First world is the western democracies. Third World is Africa and other parts of the developing world.

    What term would you prefer I used for less well off countries?


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    #3459
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,070 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    What term would you prefer I used for less well off countries?




    "less well off countries" would seem to fit the bill.


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    #3460
    super_furry
    Registered Users Posts: 27,322 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    What the fcuk is this thread even about anymore?


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    #3461
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Kimsang wrote: »
    Would you call the entire populations of Japan and China racist?
    According to woke people non-whites cannot be racist.
    In fact, it's racist to think that non-whites can be racist.


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    #3462
    davedanon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    super_furry wrote: »
    What the fcuk is this thread even about anymore?

    It's jumped the shark.


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    #3463
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,609 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    davedanon wrote: »
    It's jumped the shark.

    Was probably a fcuking Great White anyway ;)

    Not that they seem to be in short supply on this thread :P


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    #3464
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Odhinn wrote: »
    "less well off countries" would seem to fit the bill.

    That's great whatever you say. Now do you think someone from a third world sorry less well off country can intergrate with ease into a better off country?


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    #3465
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,070 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    That's great whatever you say. Now do you think someone from a third world sorry less well off country can intergrate with ease into a better off country?


    Depends on the person. Certainly judging by the staff currently in hospitals from various less well off states "fairly well" would be my generalised answer.


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    #3466
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Depends on the person. Certainly judging by the staff currently in hospitals from various less well off states "fairly well" would be my generalised answer.

    So working for peanuts and undercutting Irish people is integrating fairly well now I see.


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    #3467
    gman2k
    Registered Users Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭gman2k


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    It's security risk people shouldn't be allowed hide their identity same way it's not acceptable to wear a balaclava

    Irish Nuns watch out, under Stephen's watch you can't walk the streets.
    Or those with large hoodies.
    Or motorcycle helmets.
    Or very large sunglasses.
    Or beards.
    Or a scarf around your face in the winter.

    But of course you know it's not about the hiding identity issue that means you are islamaphobic. Security risk my hole.


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    #3468
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,070 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    So working for peanuts and undercutting Irish people is integrating fairly well now I see.




    Would you care to give exact details of where foriegn national hospital staff are undercutting irish hospital staff? You might also give me the various nursing and medical unions views on this.


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    #3469
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Would you care to give exact details of where foriegn national hospital staff are undercutting irish hospital staff? You might also give me the various nursing and medical unions views on this.

    So could you please tell me why eight out of ten nursing graduates were considering emigration in 2017. Pay is better abroad and likewise so are conditions better abroad. Irish nurses are literally voting with their feet and emigrating. But yet how does our healthcare system manage to function at all with so the majority of staff emigrating becuase they are replaced by cheaper labour from abroad. The unions are clearly not doing a

    https://www.newstalk.com/news/eight-out-of-ten-nursing-graduates-considering-emigration-539134


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    #3470
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    What term would you prefer I used for less well off countries?

    Developing and least developed countries are the recognised terms. The continent of Africa is made up of a mixture of the two.


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    #3471
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    batgoat wrote: »
    Developing and least developed countries are the recognised terms. The continent of Africa is made up of a mixture of the two.

    Does it even matter what term I use you get the gist surely


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    #3472
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,070 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    So could you please tell me why eight out of ten nursing graduates were considering emigration in 2017. Pay is better abroad and likewise so are conditions better abroad. Irish nurses are literally voting with their feet and emigrating. But yet how does our healthcare system manage to function at all with so the majority of staff emigrating becuase they are replaced by cheaper labour from abroad. The unions are clearly not doing a

    https://www.newstalk.com/news/eight-out-of-ten-nursing-graduates-considering-emigration-539134



    Sorry, but that article says nothing about staff emigrating "because they are replaced by cheaper labour" - not being offered contracts seems to be the main reason.



    Again - exact details of where foriegn national hospital staff are undercutting irish hospital staff? You might also give me the various nursing and medical unions views on this.


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    #3473
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    So could you please tell me why eight out of ten nursing graduates were considering emigration in 2017. Pay is better abroad and likewise so are conditions better abroad. Irish nurses are literally voting with their feet and emigrating. But yet how does our healthcare system manage to function at all with so the majority of staff emigrating becuase they are replaced by cheaper labour from abroad. The unions are clearly not doing a

    https://www.newstalk.com/news/eight-out-of-ten-nursing-graduates-considering-emigration-539134

    There are two reasons nurses are leaving the country. **** pay, staff shortages resulting in crazy hours. Teachers face a very similar scenario and are also leaving the country. So by your rationale, migrants must also be responsible for underpaid teachers. The government is responsible, not migrants and nurses are not blaming them.


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    #3474
    Kimsang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Kimsang


    biko wrote: »
    According to woke people non-whites cannot be racist.
    In fact, it's racist to think that non-whites can be racist.

    Notice how woke types refuse to answer this question. It is lose lose for them. If they answer yes, they prove they are racists because they define characteristics based on skin colour.

    If they answer no, they are hypocrites.

    So these woke types inferring I (a non-white) am racist, is racist. Pappa Dollar, pjohnson,Joey, bagoat... are you guys white?

    Because if so inferring a non-white is racist is pretty racist of you...
    Deleted User wrote: »
    How about some other posters here who "don't consider themselves racist" answer?

    Kimsang?
    pjohnson wrote: »
    So racists continue to insist nothing is ever racist. I dont get their phobia of the word but its amusing anyway. They try to cling onto some part of the modern "PC" world.
    pjohnson wrote: »
    Fair play on the consistency of racism denial. Real shame you cant be proud and admit what you believe but hey ho.
    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Yeah it is kind of hilarious really. I wonder if some people around here are just sticking to a National Party handbook instruction of deny racism always.
    batgoat wrote: »
    Just checked, Kimsang was pretty up in the air on the being Irish stuff with the waffle about being Chinese or Japanese.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Question for Recedite, Blue shoe, Kim and Stephen.
    Do you think an immigrant of a different culture can bring any cultural or societal value to the country they're emigrating to?


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    #3475
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    batgoat wrote: »
    There are two reasons nurses are leaving the country. **** pay, staff shortages resulting in crazy hours. Teachers face a very similar scenario and are also leaving the country. So by your rationale, migrants must also be responsible for underpaid teachers. The government is responsible, not migrants and nurses are not blaming them.

    Irish teachers are the 6th highest paid in the world, ridiculous holidays and a huge pension.

    Irish nurses 9th highest paid in the world.

    The public sector is a greedy, lazy parasite


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    #3476
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Does it even matter what term I use you get the gist surely

    It does tbh, most of the world falls under developing countries rather than developed. Including the likes of Russia and most of Asia. You seem to think it's just Africa. You want to portray a continent as uncivilised savages..


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    #3477
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Kimsang wrote: »
    Notice how woke types refuse to answer this question. It is lose lose for them. If they answer yes, they prove they are racists because they define characteristics based on skin colour.

    If they answer no, they are hypocrites.

    So these woke types inferring I (a non-white) am racist, is racist. Pappa Dollar, pjohnson,Joey, bagoat... are you guys white?

    Because if so inferring a non-white is racist is pretty racist of you...

    I already stated that Japan has a pretty well established history of xenophobia. That has been called out by the likes of the UN. They're now pretty desperate for migrants due to aging population.


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    #3478
    cookie1977
    Registered Users Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Irish teachers are the 6th highest paid in the world, ridiculous holidays and a huge pension.

    Irish nurses 9th highest paid in the world.

    The public sector is a greedy, lazy parasite
    Depends on a lot.There's cost of living in a country and also rate by stage:
    https://www.businessinsider.com/teacher-salaries-by-country-2016-1?op=1&r=US&IR=T


    Starting salary is not so good.


    Re nurses:
    https://www.careeraddict.com/top-5-countries-with-the-highest-paid-salaries-for-nurses


    Not seeing what you're seeing but feel free to share evidence. I love me some evidence.

    Your comment about the public sector is beneath you.


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    #3479
    MontgomeryClift
    Registered Users Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭MontgomeryClift


    biko wrote: »
    According to woke people non-whites cannot be racist.
    In fact, it's racist to think that non-whites can be racist.

    You're being sarcastic, but you're getting to the point. Whenever you see any conservative type try to apply the word "racist" to non-whites for being ethnocentric or having a preference for their own tribe, they just laugh it off. The word has no effect on them.

    When you understand this, you understand that "racist" is an ethnic pejorative that only applies to white people, usually for the crime of wanting to be left alone in a society untroubled by multiculturalism. It's basically the white equivalent of the word "n!gg3r."

    It follows that when you're being called "racist," you are in essence being called a "n!gg3r," and very often this name-calling comes from a member of your own race.

    (I should add that I don't encourage the use of either of the above dehumanising racial epithets.)


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    #3480
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    batgoat wrote: »
    There are two reasons nurses are leaving the country. **** pay, staff shortages resulting in crazy hours. Teachers face a very similar scenario and are also leaving the country. So by your rationale, migrants must also be responsible for underpaid teachers. The government is responsible, not migrants and nurses are not blaming them.

    Exactly they are leaving becuase pay and conditions are crap. You are right in saying that the government is responsible. But why is it so that if so many nurses are leaving the health service has yet to collapse entirely becuase foreign nurses are willing to put up with the crap pay and conditions and Irish ones are not they expect better and rightly so.


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    #3481
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,070 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Exactly they are leaving becuase pay and conditions are crap. You are right in saying that the government is responsible. But why is it so that if so many nurses are leaving the health service has yet to collapse entirely becuase foreign nurses are willing to put up with the crap pay and conditions and Irish ones are not they expect better and rightly so.




    Hang on a tic - a few posts ago it was them "undercutting Irish people".....wheres the evidence?


    The majority of nurses in irish hospitals are still Irish, afaik.


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