Gemma not taking enforced retirement too well

Eric Cartman

Deleted User wrote: »

Firstly, this point seems relevant. Secondly, can you point to an increase in crimes as a result of direct provision centers? Cause last time I checked we're in Ireland rather than Germany. You're pushing a claim that you can't prove at all... Blind to your own hate tbh.

literally that was their only counter point, 'yeah they do lots more crimes, but not all of them are criminals' so its only 'mostly true'

AndrewJRenko

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Non-EU migrants are over represented in crime statistics (particularly of a sexual nature) whether you want to believe it or not.

Would you care to show these statistics please?

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

literally that was their only counter point, 'yeah they do lots more crimes, but not all of them are criminals' so its only 'mostly true'

Weird, you're dodging providing proof that direct provision centers are responsible for an increase in crime in the locality in Ireland... If you're not gonna provide any, we can conclude you were pushing nonsense...

Eric Cartman

Deleted User wrote: »

Weird, you're dodging providing proof that direct provision centers are responsible for an increase in crime in the locality in Ireland... If you're not gonna provide any, we can conclude you were pushing nonsense...

yet again, its a well considered fact that asylum seekers over represent in crime, non EU nationals over represent in prison stats.

So how can you explain that taking a bunch of non EU asylum seekers and putting them in Ireland would not increase crime around where they live, especially in rural Ireland.

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

yet again, its a well considered fact that asylum seekers over represent in crime, non EU nationals over represent in prison stats.

So how can you explain that taking a bunch of non EU asylum seekers and putting them in Ireland would not increase crime around where they live, especially in rural Ireland.

It's incredible that they've increased crime in locality but nobody ever noticed.... You can't find stats, studies or anything to back it up for Ireland. That's pretty strange. But I'm inclined to say you're pushing nonsense that you assumed was true and are pushing it in spite of the fact that you can't prove it.

Eric Cartman

Deleted User wrote: »

It's incredible that they've increased crime in locality but nobody ever noticed.... You can't find stats, studies or anything to back it up for Ireland. That's pretty strange. But I'm inclined to say you're pushing nonsense that you assumed was true and are pushing it in spite of the fact that you can't prove it.

see heres the issue, if I got together 1, 5, 50, 100 people who had noticed , the evidence would be dismissed as anecdotal, Im not going to find a college in the land who would allow the result to pass as a thesis, the CSO aren't going to give me a table that directly correlates 'what ethnicities/nationalities do the most crime, so I had to use multiple reference points and build the conclusion from the well sourced tables above.

There are lots of publications in Germany, the UK, Sweden, Norway who have the balls to call it out for what it is, but you won't accept that either. Our asylum seekers, despite originating from the same countries are magically different and won't over represent in crime like they have in the rest of europe.

There a lot of different factors that come into play in each country I imagine. You can't back up the claim, this is the reality... Perhaps some locations do have a minor increase in crime as a result of a tiny number of people but you can't even establish that. Whatever the case, you made out the Asylum seekers are dreadful for localities due to crimes.. This pretty clearly isn't the case.

It's a tad sad to argue a point where you have a complete absence of evidence

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

So how can you explain that taking a bunch of non EU asylum seekers and putting them in Ireland would not increase crime around where they live, especially in rural Ireland.

Because it doesn't and it hasnt. There is no proof or evidence to your crazy ideas.

You believe that non EU nationals are over represented in the Irish prison system, yes? Now, even if that is true, that does not mean that any crime has increased. Do you understand that?

Annasopra

Eric Cartman wrote: »

https://eufactcheck.eu/factcheck/mostly-true-asylum-seekers-and-refugees-are-clearly-over-represented-in-both-sexual-assaults-and-aggression-offences/

https://www.irishprisons.ie/wp-content/uploads/documents_pdf/NATIONALITY-GROUP-Year-2007-to-Year-2019.pdf


from : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Republic_of_Ireland
Ethnic groups
Irish 82.2%, Irish travellers 0.7%, other white 9.5%, Asian 2.1%, black 1.4%, other 1.5%, unspecified 2.6% (2016 est.)[20]

so Africans are over representing more than 2x in prisons,
Asians 1.5x more
Irish people under representing by stats.

That is not evidence that non EU migrants increase crime.

Beasty

Eric Cartman wrote: »

yet again, its a well considered fact that asylum seekers over represent in crime, non EU nationals over represent in prison stats.

If it's a "well considered fact" provide some link/evidence

If not, it's purely your opinion

Just because it occurs there doesn’t mean it with here or other places.

TaurenDruid

Eric Cartman wrote: »

https://eufactcheck.eu/factcheck/mostly-true-asylum-seekers-and-refugees-are-clearly-over-represented-in-both-sexual-assaults-and-aggression-offences/

https://www.irishprisons.ie/wp-content/uploads/documents_pdf/NATIONALITY-GROUP-Year-2007-to-Year-2019.pdf


from : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Republic_of_Ireland
Ethnic groups
Irish 82.2%, Irish travellers 0.7%, other white 9.5%, Asian 2.1%, black 1.4%, other 1.5%, unspecified 2.6% (2016 est.)[20]

so Africans are over representing more than 2x in prisons,
Asians 1.5x more
Irish people under representing by stats.

Ah, right, so,
a) you're assuming all black people are African;

b) you're ignoring the fact that the prison population of people of African origin has fallen for the last three years; and

c) if we were to apply your warped logic, we'd look for more Muslims to immigrate, as they're far less likely to end up in prison, per head of population.

/golfclap

riffmongous

I started this thread only 18 months and 10k posts ago and now I can't even remember the time when she wasn't totally wacko

Hellotonever

Eric Cartman wrote: »

https://eufactcheck.eu/factcheck/mostly-true-asylum-seekers-and-refugees-are-clearly-over-represented-in-both-sexual-assaults-and-aggression-offences/

https://www.irishprisons.ie/wp-content/uploads/documents_pdf/NATIONALITY-GROUP-Year-2007-to-Year-2019.pdf


from : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Republic_of_Ireland
Ethnic groups
Irish 82.2%, Irish travellers 0.7%, other white 9.5%, Asian 2.1%, black 1.4%, other 1.5%, unspecified 2.6% (2016 est.)[20]

so Africans are over representing more than 2x in prisons,
Asians 1.5x more
Irish people under representing by stats.

I always wonder why Asians are an umbrella term that include primarily muslim nations. I dont know any Koreans or Japanese migrants committing crime here.

Beasty

New thread here