cookie1977 wrote: » They cannot stand on their own two feet unless they are assisted. Will you assist? Explain the following phrase "compatible with our society" What skills do you see are in demand? I dont see a high demand among the Irish for certain jobs (Childcare, nursing, construction, service industry). So who will do those?
Blueshoe wrote: » People with degrees or a trade don't need a hand. They apply for a job and build a life for themselves. Like we do when we go to Australia, the Us or Canada Compatible with our society is a general western world mindset. Ie equality of the sexes Every country has a skills and occupation shortage list. We don't need unskilled labour. We need tradesmen, nurses, consultants etc How do you think Ireland should handle inevitable immigration?
Stephen15 wrote: » Controlled immigration Immediate deportation of asylum seekers who's claims are rejected and no appeals allowed No migrants taken at the request of the EU Deportation of all forgein criminals Ban on the Burka Priority given to people from other first world countries Visas only given out to people with qualifications
Blueshoe wrote: » People with degrees or a trade don't need a hand. They apply for a job and build a life for themselves. Like we do when we go to Australia, the Us or Canada
Blueshoe wrote: » Compatible with our society is a general western world mindset. Ie equality of the sexes
Blueshoe wrote: » Every country has a skills and occupation shortage list. We don't need unskilled labour. We need tradesmen, nurses, consultants etc
Blueshoe wrote: » How do you think Ireland should handle inevitable immigration?
batgoat wrote: » So your logic is, only help those who you can use. Abandon any other refugees, you're a great humanitarian..
cookie1977 wrote: » Controlled immigration - Define/What system do you propose??Immediate deportation of asylum seekers who's claims are rejected and no appeals allowed - No right to appeal? What is this communist China? No migrants taken at the request of the EU - We're a member of a club that wont fly. Deportation of all forgein criminals - We do that already, can you elaborate? What if the country they came from "claims" they are a criminal and tehy are not? Ban on the Burka - Not much to do with immigration to be hones. Why, does it scare you? Priority given to people from other first world countries - Why? Sounds discriminatory/racist depending on your answer. Visas only given out to people with qualifications - define qualifications? Would a high school diploma do?Take your time replying.
Blueshoe wrote: » Why don't you offer your own policy or ideas. Still zero from any of you.
cookie1977 wrote: » Controlled immigration - Define/What system do you propose??
Immediate deportation of asylum seekers who's claims are rejected and no appeals allowed - No right to appeal? What is this communist China?
No migrants taken at the request of the EU - We're a member of a club that wont fly.
Deportation of all forgein criminals - We do that already, can you elaborate? What if the country they came from "claims" they are a criminal and tehy are not?
Ban on the Burka - Not much to do with immigration to be hones. Why, does it scare you?
Priority given to people from other first world countries - Why? Sounds discriminatory/racist depending on your answer.
Visas only given out to people with qualifications - define qualifications? Would a high school diploma do?
Stephen15 wrote: » Australian style points system would be a good start No they're claims are found bogus hence they should be deported. They are not Irish citizens and they should be afforded the same rights as Irish citizens. Coming to think maybe I will change my stance and allow them to appeal as long as they are willing to pay for their own solictor as they should not be entitled to free legal aid. Hungary, Poland, Slovakia and Czech Republic all do it and they are all EU members so what's stopping us Once they are out they will not be getting back in regardless of what other countries think It's security risk people shouldn't be allowed hide their identity same way it's not acceptable to wear a balaclava Definitely not racist as people from the third world are not a race maybe discriminatory. Put it this way would you feel more comfortable moving to Australia or Bangladesh? No they must have a qualification which we have a shortage of. Eg if there is a shortage of 20 doctors and no other qualifications then only give visas to 20 doctors. That's a purely hypothetical example btw
"Stephen wrote: It's security risk people shouldn't be allowed hide their identity same way it's not acceptable to wear a balaclava
cookie1977 wrote: » [*]I'd like to see migrants allowed to work while they are awaiting the results of their case. Already the casehttps://www.thejournal.ie/asylum-seeker-working-4095315-Jun2018/ [*]I'd like to see proper housing for all (not just migrants) and the abolishing of DP. Easier said than done. Supply is always going to be limited and with the limited supply that will always be there in my opinion the Irish who have lived here all their lives should be given first preference ahead of migrants who have only been here a short anount of time [*]I'd like to see some compassion when it comes to migrants fleeing what they deem as persecution. And consideration in their case (following as much of an investigation as possible). Anyone can say they are fleeing some sort of persecution. How much will all these investigations cost even if it's bloody obivious they are telling lies [*]I'd like to hear from the CSO as to the numbers of young people they feel we need to support our aging population and link that to the numbers of migrants accepted. This should also be linked to FAS/IDA/Enterprise Ireland data on skills shortages. Surely it would be easier just to encourage Irish women to have more children [*]I'd like to see a support system to allow the migrants to adjust/integrate (Integration plans for another thread) put in place. This would also need to help the local population adjust too. Sweden has a model which could be examined and improved upon. Sweden where intergration has highly sucessful despite the fact there has been an Islamic terrorist attack there, majority of convicted rapists are foreigners and has fallen victim to riots by migrants.https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45181321https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45269 [*]I'd like to see a grants system put in place (perhaps from Local enterprise board) to assist migrants start up enterprises. How much do you think it will cost and how sucessful do you think it will be? Also what sort of enterprises should they be encouraged to set up kebab shops? halal butchers? ethnic food shops? ethnic clothes shops? African hairdressers? All of the above would require more more money so yes that means increasing taxes which can be spread out amongst the tax paying population (and again for another discussion). Industry might also be willing to give towards this too. I'not going to harp on about the benefits of migration. You either believe there is or believe there isn't (there is!) but here's a link:https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/why-migration-to-ireland-should-be-encouraged-1.3157810 It will require money but what reward would it bring compared to improving our infrastructure, public services and paying our own better wages such as Nurses who are forced to emigrate. Also link is behind a paywall.
[*]I'd like to see migrants allowed to work while they are awaiting the results of their case.
[*]I'd like to see proper housing for all (not just migrants) and the abolishing of DP.
[*]I'd like to see some compassion when it comes to migrants fleeing what they deem as persecution. And consideration in their case (following as much of an investigation as possible).
[*]I'd like to hear from the CSO as to the numbers of young people they feel we need to support our aging population and link that to the numbers of migrants accepted. This should also be linked to FAS/IDA/Enterprise Ireland data on skills shortages.
[*]I'd like to see a support system to allow the migrants to adjust/integrate (Integration plans for another thread) put in place. This would also need to help the local population adjust too. Sweden has a model which could be examined and improved upon.
[*]I'd like to see a grants system put in place (perhaps from Local enterprise board) to assist migrants start up enterprises.
All of the above would require more more money so yes that means increasing taxes which can be spread out amongst the tax paying population (and again for another discussion). Industry might also be willing to give towards this too. I'not going to harp on about the benefits of migration. You either believe there is or believe there isn't (there is!) but here's a link:https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/why-migration-to-ireland-should-be-encouraged-1.3157810
Stephen15 wrote: » Google racism this is what you'll find Racism: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. I haven't see any racism from him or the National party anti immigration views are not racist as racism is directed at a race and immigrants are not a race
Stephen15 wrote: » cookie1977 wrote: » Already the casehttps://www.thejournal.ie/asylum-seeker-working-4095315-Jun2018/ Easier said than done. Supply is always going to be limited and with the limited supply that will always be there in my opinion the Irish who have lived here all their lives should be given first preference ahead of migrants who have only been here a short anount of time Anyone can say they are fleeing some sort of persecution. How much will all these investigations cost even if it's bloody obivious they are telling liesSurely it would be easier just to encourage Irish women to have more children Sweden where intergration has highly sucessful despite the fact there has been an Islamic terrorist attack there, majority of convicted rapists are foreigners and has fallen victim to riots by migrants.https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45181321https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45269 How much do you think it will cost and how sucessful do you think it will be? Also what sort of enterprises should they be encouraged to set up kebab shops? halal butchers? ethnic food shops? ethnic clothes shops? African hairdressers? It will require money but what reward would it bring compared to improving our infrastructure, public services and paying our own better wages such as Nurses who are forced to emigrate. Also link is behind a paywall. Groannnnn. I dont have the energy anymore. But I am going to put that to the wife!!
cookie1977 wrote: » Already the casehttps://www.thejournal.ie/asylum-seeker-working-4095315-Jun2018/ Easier said than done. Supply is always going to be limited and with the limited supply that will always be there in my opinion the Irish who have lived here all their lives should be given first preference ahead of migrants who have only been here a short anount of time Anyone can say they are fleeing some sort of persecution. How much will all these investigations cost even if it's bloody obivious they are telling liesSurely it would be easier just to encourage Irish women to have more children Sweden where intergration has highly sucessful despite the fact there has been an Islamic terrorist attack there, majority of convicted rapists are foreigners and has fallen victim to riots by migrants.https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45181321https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45269 How much do you think it will cost and how sucessful do you think it will be? Also what sort of enterprises should they be encouraged to set up kebab shops? halal butchers? ethnic food shops? ethnic clothes shops? African hairdressers? It will require money but what reward would it bring compared to improving our infrastructure, public services and paying our own better wages such as Nurses who are forced to emigrate. Also link is behind a paywall.
cookie1977 wrote: » Ok I'll bite.I'd like to see migrants allowed to work while they are awaiting the results of their case. I'd like to see proper housing for all (not just migrants) and the abolishing of DP. I'd like to see some compassion when it comes to migrants fleeing what they deem as persecution. And consideration in their case (following as much of an investigation as possible). I'd like to hear from the CSO as to the numbers of young people they feel we need to support our aging population and link that to the numbers of migrants accepted. This should also be linked to FAS/IDA/Enterprise Ireland data on skills shortages. I'd like to see a support system to allow the migrants to adjust/integrate (Integration plans for another thread) put in place. This would also need to help the local population adjust too. Sweden has a model which could be examined and improved upon. I'd like to see a grants system put in place (perhaps from Local enterprise board) to assist migrants start up enterprises. All of the above would require more more money so yes that means increasing taxes which can be spread out amongst the tax paying population (and again for another discussion). Industry might also be willing to give towards this too. I'm not going to harp on about the benefits of migration. You either believe there is or believe there isn't (there is!) but here's a link:https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/why-migration-to-ireland-should-be-encouraged-1.3157810 Ok bring it on.
cookie1977 wrote: » https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/why-migration-to-ireland-should-be-encouraged-1.3157810 Ok bring it on.
Sweetemotion wrote: » The first comment on that article puts your delusion of the benefits of migration up in smoke.
cookie1977 wrote: » :rolleyes: I'll just say compare our population density to countries with a similar population.
Blueshoe wrote: » Well fair play to you. Well written and reasonable mostly I don't agree that refugees should be allowed to work while waiting for their case to be heard as they may "disappear" and stay illegally. I do think that their cases should be seen far quicker though with one appeal and if refused then deported. Living for years in a direct provision centre is unacceptable. I don't understand your point about housing for all. I'm guessing that you want the government to supply housing for everyone in the country? If so I strongly disagree. It's would be a definite move toward a welfare state and I feel there would be too many people who wouldn't bother working anymore if they are just handed a house. I agree with the CSO and migrants required part 100% Small amounts of migrants could in theory be placed into smaller pieces towns where it would be easier for them to connect with the local community and fit in. No shock to the system for anyone. Would suit a few families rather than a group of young men. I don't see a real issue with grants to help start businesses as they will be contributing to the economy and might even provide employment. Ie more contributers. I don't think an increase in general taxation would be required to finance any of that but would be against any rise. My sticking point is numbers. There are a certain amount needed for the benefit of the country's future but taking in too many or too quickly benifits nobody and will build resentment. But fair enough.
Sweetemotion wrote: » You can say what you want :rolleyes:
Eric Cartman wrote: » Be careful, many people would call you an islamaphobe for a statement like that
Stephen15 wrote: » Also please explain why Andy Ngo a conservative journalist who is of Vietnamese Armerican origin.
Blueshoe wrote: » Who is stopping them? Haven't met too many women in the trades jobs either. Trades are making big money again. Who is stopping the women from becoming plumbers etc? It's down to choice. They prefer to work in an office for average pay 9-5 while many men are outside doing construction work 7-6. The pay will be vastly different as the job is different. I'd like to see the stats of how many women are working in the trades. What would you imagine it is ? 2 or 3% maybe. That's one example Different industries pay different amounts. If Hours worked , qualifications held and job type were exactly the same there would be no gap What percentage of office admin staff are women?
Blueshoe wrote: » How will you do this? By dilution of Catholics with Islam? Is that the grand plan
Stephen15 wrote: » Do you support Islamic immigration?
pinkyeye wrote: » I'd like to ask the racists why they haven't watched the video of the poisonous dwarf ranting about Hazel Chu?
Stephen in particular who is a keen supporter of the midget. Why wouldn't you watch a video with your favourite person in?
Stephen15 wrote: » Ok I've watched the speech now. I'm guessing Hazel Chu made some point about the Irish emigrating to America during the famine am I right. When she referred to the Irish emigrating she referred to the Irish as 'we'. Justin was merely asking did her ancestors emigrate to America during the famine. Watched it now, happy?
pinkyeye wrote: » And you still think Justin is totally reasonable and not at all racist? He wants to get the power to deport Hazel Chu!!!!
Stephen15 wrote: » when I heard his interviews with Gemma he came out the saner of the two.
Stephen15 wrote: » Well I don't agree with everything he says. However I agree with a lot of what he says everyone has viewpoints that I do not agree with and others I do agree with. I have listened to a lot of his speeches and I agree with a lot of his points certainly when I heard his interviews with Gemma he came out the saner of the two. I don't agree that Hazel Chu should be deported perhaps he agrees she should be but that would be one of his views I don't agree with if it actually is one of his views.
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