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Gemma not taking enforced retirement too well

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    #3482
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,982 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Irish teachers are the 6th highest paid in the world, ridiculous holidays and a huge pension.

    Irish nurses 9th highest paid in the world.

    The public sector is a greedy, lazy parasite

    Sure everyone is a parasite in your eyes (apart from you of course cause you work hard to fund all the parasites)

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #3483
    Kimsang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Kimsang


    batgoat wrote: »
    I already stated that Japan has a pretty well established history of xenophobia.

    Thank you for your honesty. You did already answer this question. Notice your woke brethren that refuse to answer this question.


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    #3484
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Sure everyone is a parasite in your eyes (apart from you of course cause you work hard to fund all the parasites)

    Exactly. Private sector is keeping the party going


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    #3485
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    batgoat wrote: »
    Developing and least developed countries are the recognised terms. The continent of Africa is made up of a mixture of the two.
    But how do we decide which is which?

    "Third World" conveniently covers both.


    In order to avoid falling into this pc trap in future, maybe we should just use the White House terminology - $hithole countries.


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    #3486
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    cookie1977 wrote: »
    Depends on a lot.There's cost of living in a country and also rate by stage:
    https://www.businessinsider.com/teacher-salaries-by-country-2016-1?op=1&r=US&IR=T


    Starting salary is not so good.


    Re nurses:
    https://www.careeraddict.com/top-5-countries-with-the-highest-paid-salaries-for-nurses


    Not seeing what you're seeing but feel free to share evidence. I love me some evidence.

    Your comment about the public sector is beneath you.

    Starting salaries are supposed to be low. It's the start. Public sector sees regular increases.


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    #3487
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,982 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Exactly. Private sector is keeping the party going

    Yep. We're all parasites.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #3488
    cookie1977
    Registered Users Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Starting salaries are supposed to be low. It's the start. Public sector sees regular increases.
    Ye think? It's the time you spend on the low salary I'm talking about.
    If you're going to spout rubbish at least give a modicum of evidence.


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    #3489
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    cookie1977 wrote: »
    Ye think? It's the time you spend on the low salary I'm talking about.
    If you're going to spout rubbish at least give a modicum of evidence.

    6th highest for teachers
    9th highest for nurses

    Source: take your pick.


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    #3490
    cookie1977
    Registered Users Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    6th highest for teachers
    9th highest for nurses

    Source: take your pick.
    Hey if you dont want to discuss things that's fine.


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    #3491
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    cookie1977 wrote: »
    Hey if you dont want to discuss things that's fine.

    There is nothing to discuss. The figures are there for all to see


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    #3492
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users Posts: 20,929 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    What term would you prefer I used for less well off countries?

    Savages:)


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    #3493
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Starting salaries are supposed to be low. It's the start. Public sector sees regular increases.

    So are the top salaries, €29,609 to €49,960 for a level 2 IT engineer, you also start at the low end regardless of experience.


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    #3494
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Kimsang wrote: »
    Notice how woke types refuse to answer this question. It is lose lose for them. If they answer yes, they prove they are racists because they define characteristics based on skin colour.

    If they answer no, they are hypocrites.

    So these woke types inferring I (a non-white) am racist, is racist. Pappa Dollar, pjohnson,Joey, bagoat... are you guys white?

    Because if so inferring a non-white is racist is pretty racist of you...

    So where are you planning to emigrate to when Justin gets into power?


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    #3495
    Kimsang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Kimsang


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    So where are you planning to emigrate to when Justin gets into power?

    Are you white? I need to know in case I need to call you a racist.


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    #3496
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Kimsang wrote: »
    Are you white? I need to know in case I need to call you a racist.

    Can't answer my question?


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    #3497
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    recedite wrote: »
    But how do we decide which is which?

    "Third World" conveniently covers both.


    In order to avoid falling into this pc trap in future, maybe we should just use the White House terminology - $hithole countries.
    Generalise to the point where it suits your agenda. Even when you're using your own made up definition of the term third world.


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    #3498
    knipex
    Registered Users Posts: 2,018 ✭✭✭knipex


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Sure everyone is a parasite in your eyes (apart from you of course cause you work hard to fund all the parasites)


    That does not take away from the point that despite the hype Nurses in Ireland are not badly paid.

    An entry grade staff nurse, just qualified and registered starts on just under 30k basic, plus allowances, shift, over time etc. That is straigth out of college rising within 5 years to 36k and going all the way to just under 46K.

    That a staff nurse with no promotions.

    the INMO publish pay rates here

    Conditions on the other hand are a different matter but that also goes back to working practices which the unions are notoriously resistant to changing.

    Blaming the government for the problems in nursing ignores half the problem. Nursing unions have badly let down their members.

    Also the way nurses enter the profession needs to be looked at. A significant portion of the unhappiness in nursing can be traced back to the introduction fo the nursing degree and application through CAO. People entered training with unrealistic expectations and people whole unsuited to nursing who would never previously have been weeded out at the interview stage started entering the profession.

    I am not a HR person but interviews, psychometric testing, etc need to be looked at with the potential in bring them in as part of the selection process.


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    #3499
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,586 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    So could you please tell me why eight out of ten nursing graduates were considering emigration in 2017. Pay is better abroad and likewise so are conditions better abroad. Irish nurses are literally voting with their feet and emigrating. But yet how does our healthcare system manage to function at all with so the majority of staff emigrating becuase they are replaced by cheaper labour from abroad. The unions are clearly not doing a

    https://www.newstalk.com/news/eight-out-of-ten-nursing-graduates-considering-emigration-539134

    I'm not sure why you bother quoting the other question above when you then ignore it completely and and shift the goalposts to answer a different question that you weren't asked.


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    #3500
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Hang on a tic - a few posts ago it was them "undercutting Irish people".....wheres the evidence?

    The majority of nurses in irish hospitals are still Irish, afaik.

    Yes if Irish workers are not willing to put up with crap pay and conditions and foreign workers are willing to put up with crap pay and conditions then yes that is the very definition of being undercut. Put it I have heard people who are pro immigration say that our health service would collapse if it were not for foreign staff which is true.

    However the reason that is because foreign healthcare professionals are willing to work for less than Irish healthcare professionals. If foreign healthcare staff were not there the government would either have to commit political suicide and allow the healthcare system collapse or start paying Irish healthcare staff decent wages and improving conditions.


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    #3501
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    I'm not sure why you bother quoting the other question above when you then ignore it completely and and shift the goalposts to answer a different question that you weren't asked.

    Sure it's your side that completely ignores simple common sense surrounding third world countries


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    #3502
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,033 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Yes if Irish workers are not willing to put up with crap pay and conditions and foreign workers are willing to put up with crap pay and conditions then yes that is the very definition of being undercut. Put it I have heard people who are pro immigration say that our health service would collapse if it were not for foreign staff which is true.

    However the reason that is because foreign healthcare professionals are willing to work for less than Irish healthcare professionals. If foreign healthcare staff were not there the government would either have to commit political suicide and allow the healthcare system collapse or start paying Irish healthcare staff decent wages and improving conditions.




    Bit odd the unions don't drag the foriegners into it, don't you think? They blame the HSE/Government.


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    #3503
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,033 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Sure it's your side that completely ignores simple common sense surrounding third world countries


    Do please expand on this.


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    #3504
    pjohnson
    Registered Users Posts: 23,291 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Kimsang wrote: »
    Notice how woke types refuse to answer this question. It is lose lose for them. If they answer yes, they prove they are racists because they define characteristics based on skin colour.

    If they answer no, they are hypocrites.

    So these woke types inferring I (a non-white) am racist, is racist. Pappa Dollar, pjohnson,Joey, bagoat... are you guys white?

    Because if so inferring a non-white is racist is pretty racist of you...

    What is a "woke type" I'm not that familiar with whatever buzzwords ye use?

    Bikos definition off it seems like some kind of daft rubbish.


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    #3505
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Bit odd the unions don't drag the foriegners into it, don't you think? They blame the HSE/Government.

    That's why being anti immigration is actually a left wing position. Unfortunately the traditional left and the unions have abandoned the working class. Foreign staff are members of their inept union so they're hardly going to offend a fair chunk of their members are they and the unions main goal is getting subs in not looking out for workers right, pay + conditions etc.


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    #3506
    Kimsang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Kimsang


    pjohnson wrote: »
    What is a "woke type" I'm not that familiar with whatever buzzwords ye use?

    People like you that infer I am a racist because ....reasons.
    pjohnson wrote: »
    Fair play on the consistency of racism denial. Real shame you cant be proud and admit what you believe but hey ho.
    pjohnson wrote: »
    So racists continue to insist nothing is ever racist. I dont get their phobia of the word but its amusing anyway. They try to cling onto some part of the modern "PC" world.

    Do you believe Japanese people are racist?
    Are you white? Because if so you are calling an asian in the above quotes a racist. Which by woke logic is racist. Everything is racist!!


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    #3507
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Do please expand on this.

    Certain people on here seem to think that someone from a third world country eg. Nigeria could intergrate into Irish society just as easily as someone from a first world country eg. Italy


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    #3508
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,033 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    That's why being anti immigration is actually a left wing position. Unfortunately the traditional left and the unions have abandoned the working class. Foreign staff are members of their inept union so they're hardly going to offend a fair chunk of their members are they and the unions main goal is getting subs in not looking out for workers right, pay + conditions etc.




    So you're saying it's a conspiracy?


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    #3509
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,033 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Certain people on here seem to think that someone from a third world country eg. Nigeria could intergrate into Irish society just as easily as someone from a first world country eg. Italy


    That would depend on the individual.


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    #3510
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Odhinn wrote: »
    So you're saying it's a conspiracy?

    No my opinion thought this was a place to give your opinion


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    #3511
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,033 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Kimsang wrote: »

    Do you believe Japanese people are racist?
    Are you white? Because if so you are calling an asian in the above quotes a racist. Which by woke logic is racist. Everything is racist!!




    It would be nice if you could target and quote anyone posting here that's using or has used "woke logic" in such a manner.


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