Fine Gael TD sues Dublin Hotel after falling off swing

Shefwedfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

What are you waffling about?

Who is talking about a politician, this country is a joke is someone goes to a rugby match and think it’s ok to sue because a ball hit her on the head

Genuine question, are you hung over. The entire thread is based on politicians, you're the one who diverted it. Yes, two people (if you've read what you posted) are suing the IRFU. You can't stop people from suing, and 2 out of 5 million people is statistically irrelevant. And then we have the article saying that the courts are likely to throw out the case because of its previous stance on sporting events. But, you say the entire country is a joke. Hyperbole much?

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Your list of politicians seem to forget a few FG pals

Lowry was FG.


Are you sure you're not better off going back to bed for another while?

WishUWereHere

ChikiChiki wrote: »

More lies exposed in the Independent today.

The game is up ffs. If MB had an ounce of integrity she would resign.

This leech MB is putting a whole new meaning to the phrase “the more I have, the more I want”.

Shame on you, Bailey.

Shefwedfan

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Genuine question, are you hung over. The entire thread is based on politicians, you're the one who diverted it. Yes, two people (if you've read what you posted) are suing the IRFU. You can't stop people from suing, and 2 out of 5 million people is statistically irrelevant. And then we have the article saying that the courts are likely to throw out the case because of its previous stance on sporting events. But, you say the entire country is a joke. Hyperbole much?






Lowry was FG.


Are you sure you're not better off going back to bed for another while?

You seem incapable of reading so I will leave you to it

mike_cork

mikemac2 wrote: »

What’s changed at the Independent group? New ownership?

From terrible reporting and property shilling they now have their staff doing proper investigative journalism

Probably not a coincidence that a change in ownership has lead to a change in tone from the indo towards fg/the govt.
https://www.independent.ie/business/media/inm-agrees-sale-for-146m-to-belgian-media-group-38063594.html

Idbatterim

Was mb a fg td at the time of the fall? If she was age probably thought that was enough, to get them to write a five figure Cheque sharpish!

Shefwedfan

mike_cork wrote: »

Probably not a coincidence that a change in ownership has lead to a change in tone from the indo towards fg/the govt.
https://www.independent.ie/business/media/inm-agrees-sale-for-146m-to-belgian-media-group-38063594.html

It was dying with the old regime....at least now they seem to be actually doing journalist work

salmocab

Idbatterim wrote: »

Was mb a fg td at the time of the fall? If she was age probably thought that was enough, to get them to write a five figure Cheque sharpish!

Pretty sure she wasn’t at the time. Possibly a councilor though.

rafatoni

mikemac2 wrote: »

What’s changed at the Independent group? New ownership?

From terrible reporting and property shilling they now have their staff doing proper investigative journalism

Uncle Dinny has sold most of his share. No more protecting his FG buddies and INM is now majority owned by a belgian group.

Great stuff and long over due. Keep up the good reporting.

Dammo

If she put a request for €20k in writing to the Dean and then went on national radio to claim she “only” wanted €6k/€7k, then that’s another blatant lie.

Her position as a TD is untenable.

Shefwedfan

Idbatterim wrote: »

Was mb a fg td at the time of the fall? If she was age probably thought that was enough, to get them to write a five figure Cheque sharpish!

She was part of FG, so was Madigan but they where not part of the government....according to what I read

It was later both of them got promoted, that was when Madigan dropped the legal role.



No excuse, she still carried on with legal case after the promotion, so if she was concerned about it she could have cancelled it at anytime.....


Also why Madigan didnt give her advice to drop it? they both are stuck in the middle of it looking for a quick pay day

kingstevii

Drip, drip drip...

You gotta be thinking the indo hasn't even begun to release the juicy stuff!

Every week, new revelations.

The week before the polling day we'll see the cctv. There was no GDPR then, i reckon there's loads of copies..

ChikiChiki

Dammo wrote: »

If she put a request for €20k in writing to the Dean and then went on national radio to claim she “only” wanted €6k/€7k, then that’s another blatant lie.

Her position as a TD is untenable.

Correct. Should not even be up for debate.

This brass neck culture in Irish politics has to go. Accountability is our major downfall.

ILoveYourVibes

Maria Bailey initially asked hotel for €20,000 to cover her swing fall expenses claim
Fine Gael TD later said she wanted just €7,000 from Dean Hotel to cover medical costs after fall

This in the news today.

lawred2

Dammo wrote: »

If she put a request for €20k in writing to the Dean and then went on national radio to claim she “only” wanted €6k/€7k, then that’s another blatant lie.

Her position as a TD is untenable.

Her position as TD is a matter for her constituents.

Her membership of FG is an entirely different matter. She should be dropped from FG and sent to the other side of house.

McMurphy

One of two things has obviously happened here,

Either the internal report that leo tried to bury, (and his press adviser apparently tried to stop the independent asking him if he'd publish) and gave different versions as to if/why he'd not publish has been leaked to the Indo.

Or, they've had access to all the correspondence between Madigans solicitors/the Dean hotel, and possibly even the CCTV.

Regardless, if Leo insists on presiding over this, I think he's going to fall on his sword too, and he'll end up a lot more hurt than Bailey will from it.

How can he claim him or his party are serious about tackling a compo culture in the state if he has a TD within his own party wanting 20k by letter from a company, while prepared to go to court with them for up to 60k, but telling us via Sean O'Rourke show she was only after six grand?

Looks to me like this happened.

Bailey fell off the swing because she was drinking with both hands, rather than holding the swing.

Seeks damages of the Dean, who send her a cheque for 600.

Bailey sends cheque back, with a demand for 20k to cover past and future health costs.....

Dean say nope, and we're now going to seek legal advice.

Bailey says will fcuk yas anyway, if you're not going to throw twenty grand my way, I'll see ye in court where I might end up getting 60......

At that point the Dean might have been thinking that 20k might not have sounded that steep in comparison.

But they had the CCTV......

Lol.

mike_cork

Sunday business post joining in with the indo. The pressure continues to ratchet up (both below articles posted today)

https://www.businesspost.ie/news/bailey-still-whip-td-face-fallout-swing-injury-claim-449077

https://www.businesspost.ie/news/lawyers-say-maria-bailey-fallout-leading-abuse-legitimate-claimants-449133

sydthebeat

As an aside, if you make a premises aware of an incident.... Are they in anyway beholden to pass on any cctv to you??

ddarcy

lawred2 wrote: »

Her position as TD is a matter for her constituents.

Her membership of FG is an entirely different matter. She should be dropped from FG and sent to the other side of house.

Agree she should be dropped, but Leo is in between the proverbial rock and a hard place and it’s of his own making. If he dumps her, he essentially has to call an election as the numbers are no longer there for the minority government. He can’t call an election do to Brexit, as it will make him a hypocrite on the issue and he will rightly be called out on it. So, his spin team has essentially said this is the best option.

I agree that Leo will come out worse in all this in the end. I’ve a feeling he only has a few months left as leader of FG.

Plumbthedepths

So Bailey was trying to shake down the Dean for 20k? Yet she told SOR she was only looking for her medical expenses if 7 k which she also admitting to having medical insurance.
Loving the new direction the Indo is taking. Squeaky bum time for a few clowns in FG.

sydthebeat

sydthebeat wrote: »

As an aside, if you make a premises aware of an incident.... Are they in anyway beholden to pass on any cctv to you??

No. The gardai can request it though.

Re bailey, if the request for compensation (20k?) is larger than what she said hopefully that'll be enough to have the whip taken away from her. I don't agree that the Dail arithmetic would necessitate a GE. With FF's continued support there's no reason for that.

Snow Garden

Ah ffs, this story just gets worse and worse as far as FG/IFP are concerned.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/maria-bailey-initially-asked-hotel-for-20000-to-cover-her-swing-fall-expenses-claim-38351916.html

It is probably the worst handled political scandal I have ever seen.
After Leo's very murky and contradictory statement, he is now looking like a complete and utter clown. He should have taken the whip off her and ended the story. He is toothless now unless Liar Bailey herself resigns from the party. Unlikely because she comes across as a stubborn greedy gob****e.

If Bailey, Madigan and Farrell are a reflection of the rest of the Dail, we should be very very concerned. The TDs in PBP, AAA and the Independents seem to be way more in touch with reality and the electorate than these FG crooks.

Again, fair play to the Independent. Having a neutral and probing media is our only hope to sort out a dysfunctional political system.

Snow Garden

I mean look at the brazen greed here. It's sickening.

The Dean acted very honourably here. They knew Bailey was at fault for her fall and still offered her 600 Euro. Immediately she saw an opportunity and asked for 20,000 Euro to cover past and future medical expenses.

The letter was sent by Ms Bailey after she received a €600 cheque from the hotel to the cover medical costs she incurred arising from the fall.

The Dun Laoghaire TD, who was last week sacked as chair of the Oireachtas Housing Committee, returned the cheque and requested €20,000 to cover past and future medical expenses.

The Dean Hotel decided to challenge Ms Bailey's compensation claim on foot of receiving this letter and handed the case over to their solicitors.

Resign you absolute charlatan!

Snow Garden

Snow Garden wrote: »

The TDs in PBP, AAA and the Independents seem to be way more in touch with reality and the electorate than these FG crooks.

It's a lot easier to hurl from the ditch, SF for example have made great strides doing just that. It's also easier to make promises (again SF are taskmasters at this) when you're in opposition.

Snow Garden

Deleted User wrote: »

It's a lot easier to hurl from the ditch, SF for example have made great strides doing just that. It's also easier to make promises (again SF are taskmasters at this) when you're in opposition.

I am not talking about promises. I am talking about insurance fraud. 3 Fine Gael government TDs are up to their necks in insurance fraud in recent years. They are arrogantly abusing their positions.

Snow Garden

Snow Garden wrote: »

I am not talking about promises. I am talking about insurance fraud. 3 Fine Gael government TDs are up to their necks in insurance fraud in recent years. They are arrogantly abusing their positions.

What Fraud? Bailey's case was reviewed by a barrister and no fraud was found. What are the other 2 cases?

Re Bailey, it's looking like she lied (she's definitely coming across as a bit thick (in the head and skinned)) when stating the amount she requested. But, that's not fraud.

pablo128

Deleted User wrote: »

What Fraud? Bailey's case was reviewed by a barrister and no fraud was found. What are the other 2 cases?

Re Bailey, it's looking like she lied (she's definitely coming across as a bit thick (in the head and skinned)) when stating the amount she requested. But, that's not fraud.

Overstating the the extent of one's injuries in the quest for compensation is the same as fraud.

Snow Garden

Deleted User wrote: »

What Fraud? Bailey's case was reviewed by a barrister and no fraud was found. What are the other 2 cases?

Re Bailey, it's looking like she lied (she's definitely coming across as a bit thick (in the head and skinned)) when stating the amount she requested. But, that's not fraud.

Earlier this month, Deputy Commissioner John Twomey, Chief Superintendent Pat Lordan and Andrew McLindon, director of communications at An Garda Síochána attended a meeting of the Joint Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform.

During the meeting, Sinn Féin TD Pearse Doherty asked those present about the difference between fraud and exaggerated claims.

Chief Superintendent Lordan said he believes there is no difference and also went on to say that claims believed to be exaggerated and defined as fraud should, by law, be reported to the gardai by people in the know.

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2019/07/24/reporting-exaggerated-claims/

pablo128

pablo128 wrote: »

Overstating the the extent of one's injuries in the quest for compensation is the same as fraud.

Did she, is it? If she did she would be prosecuted. Fraud is a very serious offense. So, why hasn't that happened?* The review concluded she didn't perpetrate fraud.

* Don't say it's because she's a TD. The reason this is in the national newspapers and getting so much coverage is because she's a TD. If Mary from down the road did it it might have made page 2 for a day. So, being a TD is offering her no protection, the opposite if anything.

Snow Garden

Snow Garden wrote: »

Earlier this month, Deputy Commissioner John Twomey, Chief Superintendent Pat Lordan and Andrew McLindon, director of communications at An Garda Síochána attended a meeting of the Joint Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform.

During the meeting, Sinn Féin TD Pearse Doherty asked those present about the difference between fraud and exaggerated claims.

Chief Superintendent Lordan said he believes there is no difference and also went on to say that claims believed to be exaggerated and defined as fraud should, by law, be reported to the gardai by people in the know.

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2019/07/24/reporting-exaggerated-claims/

Are police making the laws now, I thought it was down to the judiciary and the Dail. A lawyer reviewed her case and said it wasn't fraud.

salmocab

If FG have all the paperwork and the tape then as things are leaked there are 2 possible sources which would make it a lot easier to get things out there by the leaker from a not being sued point of view for breaches of privacy