Fine Gael TD sues Dublin Hotel after falling off swing

Odyssey 2005

Yet another one. 3 years at 0% interest !


https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/senator-finally-repays-30000-golden-handshake-three-years-on-38268538.html

Snow Garden

Mr Butler signed a declaration indicating that he would not subsequently consent to being nominated to the Seanad.
However, he accepted the nomination of Taoiseach Enda Kenny and was appointed to the Upper House on May 27, 2016, just three months after losing his Dáil seat.

Ah lovely...How is Enda's Seanad reform going anyway?

Another utter waste of money.

Fine Gael are making Fianna Fail look like the girl guides now. Well done lads and lassies. All FF need to do it stay quiet and smile from the sidelines.
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tayto lover

Snow Garden wrote: »

The ostriches that believe this story is going away are very naïve.

I met a man with two pints last night who was very eager to discuss it.
It won’t go away imo.

McMurphy

tayto lover wrote: »

I met a man with two pints last night who was very eager to discuss it.
It won’t go away imo.

I wanted to withdraw a fifty spot from the ATM in Templebar on Saturday evening, couldn't get near the bloody thing because sub machine gun toting soldiers had it surrounded.

Darc19

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Yet another one. 3 years at 0% interest !


https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/senator-finally-repays-30000-golden-handshake-three-years-on-38268538.html

In fairness, that's less than €1300 in interest being waived at the 4%.

If you read near the end (media have a habit of putting the real information at the end of the article) he paid €1,000 a month via salary deduction from late 2016 and all but a balancing amount was paid by last November - 2 years from when he started repayment.

Even that would be considered high as interest on a court judgment is now just 2% and interest on savings is zero or near zero.

McMurphy

Darc19 wrote: »

In fairness, that's less than €1300 in interest being waived at the 4%.

If you read near the end (media have a habit of putting the real information at the end of the article) he paid €1,000 a month via salary deduction from late 2016 and all but a balancing amount was paid by last November - 2 years from when he started repayment.

Even that would be considered high as interest on a court judgment is now just 2% and interest on savings is zero or near zero.

Not voluntarily by the looks of things.

Internal records show the Houses of the Oireachtas had to write to Senator Ray Butler four times in an effort to recoup the final instalment, and ultimately resorted to deducting it from his salary.

Odyssey 2005

Darc19 wrote: »

In fairness, that's less than €1300 in interest being waived at the 4%.

If you read near the end (media have a habit of putting the real information at the end of the article) he paid €1,000 a month via salary deduction from late 2016 and all but a balancing amount was paid by last November - 2 years from when he started repayment.

Even that would be considered high as interest on a court judgment is now just 2% and interest on savings is zero or near zero.

Are you having a laugh ?.

Ash.J.Williams

Would be funny if the "mole" was in Fg ...how can they punish them without making them a martyr.

Auguste Comte

Darc19 wrote: »

In fairness, that's less than €1300 in interest being waived at the 4%.

If you read near the end (media have a habit of putting the real information at the end of the article) he paid €1,000 a month via salary deduction from late 2016 and all but a balancing amount was paid by last November - 2 years from when he started repayment.

Even that would be considered high as interest on a court judgment is now just 2% and interest on savings is zero or near zero.

You are completely missing the point. He signed a declaration that he wouldn't accept a nomination and then in true FG money grabbing, pleb shafting style ignored the declaration, accepted a nomination and done his best to keep the money.

Have any of them ever heard of ethics?

Odyssey 2005

These payments are made on the basis that the recipient is no longer a member of the Oireachtas, and Mr Butler signed a declaration indicating that he would not subsequently consent to being nominated to the Seanad.


I wonder what would happen to us more mortals if we made a false declaration and profited to the tune of 30k.? We'd hardly be given 3 years to return the ilgotten gain at 0%.;)

Stop moaning ffs

'Whatever the rights and wrongs of the Bailey case, the public has the right to know what the Fine Gael report throws up. It is our business and @LeoVaradkar should know.' Leo's refusal to publish is not about privacy - it's all about embarrassment. His own. #SwingGate pic.twitter.com/TSLQ3CAvTe — Mick Caul (@caulmick) June 30, 2019 Blaine Gaffney, who lost out on a seat in Sligo in the local elections, said he was being asked on doorsteps and through social media what his position was on the controversy and on rising insurance costs. [ 55 more words ]
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2019/07/01/twisting-in-the-wind/

Plumbthedepths

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

'Whatever the rights and wrongs of the Bailey case, the public has the right to know what the Fine Gael report throws up. It is our business and @LeoVaradkar should know.' Leo's refusal to publish is not about privacy - it's all about embarrassment. His own. #SwingGate pic.twitter.com/TSLQ3CAvTe — Mick Caul (@caulmick) June 30, 2019 Blaine Gaffney, who lost out on a seat in Sligo in the local elections, said he was being asked on doorsteps and through social media what his position was on the controversy and on rising insurance costs. [ 55 more words ]
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2019/07/01/twisting-in-the-wind/

I have seen some of Blaine Gaffneys social media comments down through the years, if ever an individual deserves to be kept from public office he qualifies. He is a detestable individual who believes the plebs should know their place.

Stop moaning ffs

I’ve never heard of him

Darc19

Auguste Comte wrote: »

You are completely missing the point. He signed a declaration that he wouldn't accept a nomination and then in true FG money grabbing, pleb shafting style ignored the declaration, accepted a nomination and done his best to keep the money.

Have any of them ever heard of ethics?

From an ethical point of view, definitely an issue, but the indo is very much trying to make it out as a huge financial benefit which it wasn't.

Sort of like last week's headline €160k for gym instructor for one politician. - end of article, 160k over 4 years and over 400 oireachtas staff using it on a regular basis.

Beware of how the media will skew a story to match a headline

Auguste Comte

Darc19 wrote: »

From an ethical point of view, definitely an issue, but the indo is very much trying to make it out as a huge financial benefit which it wasn't.

Sort of like last week's headline €160k for gym instructor for one politician. - end of article, 160k over 4 years and over 400 oireachtas staff using it on a regular basis.

Beware of how the media will skew a story to match a headline

Im not really getting your point, are you saying that it's not too bad because the state is only at the loss of the cost of a couple of cataract surgeries and not a scoliosis surgery. Or that it's all the fault of the press.

There really is a whiff of nothing to see here from your posts.

boombang

boombang wrote: »

For those who think this thread is no longer relevant

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fg-grassroots-call-for-publication-of-report-into-bailey-compensation-claim-1.3942215?mode=amp

Excuse my ignorance but surely politician's salary comes from the state? Who's funding the internal investigation if not money provided by the tax payer?

“What I say on this, and I’ve said it before, is it’s never been the practice for a political party carrying out an internal investigation – it’s not a public inquiry, not funded by public money, it’s an internal investigation being carried out by the party.”

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

Excuse my ignorance but surely politician's salary comes from the state? Who's funding the internal investigation if not money provided by the tax payer?

the party is paying for it from their own funds.

marieholmfan

Deleted User wrote: »

Excuse my ignorance but surely politician's salary comes from the state? Who's funding the internal investigation if not money provided by the tax payer?

Fine Gael have donors and the donors are funding this.

JeffKenna

marieholmfan wrote: »

Fine Gael have donors and the donors are funding this.

Donors who made their fortune by bribing FG TD's and gaining cheap state contracts as a result?

JPCN1

_blaaz wrote: »

Tbh local FG members where i am...are asking serious questions as to why this now infamous report isnt being diatributed to them


They out doing the work,canvassing at elections,putting up posters etc,and being treated like mushrooms

marieholmfan wrote: »

Fine Gael have donors and the donors are funding this.

And one of Leo's many problems is that those donors won't like being treated like mushrooms. (Kept in the dark and fed sh1t).

Auguste Comte

marieholmfan wrote: »

Fine Gael have donors and the donors are funding this.

That could turn into a had donors very quickly.

WishUWereHere

Snow Garden wrote: »

Ah lovely...How is Enda's Seanad reform going anyway?

Another utter waste of money.

Fine Gael are making Fianna Fail look like the girl guides now. Well done lads and lassies. All FF need to do it stay quiet and smile from the sidelines.
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No wonder mehole won't pull the effing plug!

Muahahaha

Deleted User wrote: »

And when you have to pay your next insurance premium, and the one after that and the one after that...

Just imagine all those FG legal families who would suffer financially if their party got serious about tackling the Maria Baileys and Alan Farrells of Ireland. And we know how FG have rejected repeated OECD and IMF warnings that Irish legal services badly need reform, along with repeated warnings from our own competition authorities that they do, and instead got the Irish barrister and solicitor organisations to essentially rewrite the proposed reform of their own professions so that it doesn't actually undermine their closed-shop industry (more on this incredible FG "reform" of barristers and solicitors here).

Nothing surprising in FG brushing this under the carpet asap as the Maria Baileys of Ireland keep this uniquely protected magic money tree for barristers and solicitors alive. Corrupt as fúck, but with delusions of ethical and moral superiority over other political parties.

The Legal Services bill was supposed to be a root and branch reformation of the legal industry led by 'reformist' Minister Shatter. Instead it turned out that the legislation was more or less entirely written by the barristers themselves- they tabled over 200 admendments to the bill and our so called 'reformist' Minister Shatter allowed them at it

Documents released under the Freedom of Information Act show that the proposed Bill was given to the Bar Council for review and, in effect, agreement before it was presented to the Cabinet, never mind the Oireachtas.

Instead of reform of the legal industry Shatter basically let them write the legislation to govern themselves and as we all know turkeys dont vote for Christmas. So at the end of this amazing reformation what we ended up with was the same as before- some of the highest legal fees anywhere in the western world and a legal system where justice is only available to the extremely wealthy and the extremely broke. We are paying way over the odds for legal services in this country because Fine Gael made it that way.

Odyssey 2005

Muahahaha wrote: »

The Legal Services bill was supposed to be a root and branch reformation of the legal industry led by 'reformist' Minister Shatter. Instead it turned out that the legislation was more or less entirely written by the barristers themselves- they tabled over 200 admendments to the bill and our so called 'reformist' Minister Shatter allowed them at it



Instead of reform of the legal industry Shatter basically let them write the legislation to govern themselves and as we all know turkeys dont vote for Christmas. So at the end of this amazing reformation what we ended up with was the same as before- some of the highest legal fees anywhere in the western world and a legal system where justice is only available to the extremely wealthy and the extremely broke. We are paying way over the odds for legal services in this country because Fine Gael made it that way.

Very difficult to argue with any of this post.

poppers

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Yet another one. 3 years at 0% interest !


https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/senator-finally-repays-30000-golden-handshake-three-years-on-38268538.html

has a bit of form the bould ray

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/mystery-ofthe-td-the-festival-and-unpaid-bills-to-local-bands-31153865.html

Suckit

marieholmfan wrote: »

Fine Gael have donors and the donors are funding this.

Are the donors okay with their money being wasted on such a menial task?
Surely the cctv footage would have shown everything they needed to know.

More importantly, are the donors going to be made privy to the results?

ohnonotgmail

Suckit wrote: »

Are the donors okay with their money being wasted on such a menial task?
Surely the cctv footage would have shown everything they needed to know.

More importantly, are the donors going to be made privy to the results?

well i suppose you could ask Leo if...oh wait

Odyssey 2005

poppers wrote: »

has a bit of form the bould ray

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/mystery-ofthe-td-the-festival-and-unpaid-bills-to-local-bands-31153865.html

The dirty sleeveen basquat.

Shemale

Nobelium wrote: »

he's about 100 times more modest, civil, honest and capable than Leo, but that's not a very high bar.
The look written all over his face is "how long can I stick these scumbags in FG" . . he's not going to last.
Decent honest people never do.

Garbage, there is nothing decent or honest about anyone who attends Bilderberg.

McMurphy

poppers wrote: »

has a bit of form the bould ray

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/mystery-ofthe-td-the-festival-and-unpaid-bills-to-local-bands-31153865.html

As already mentioned, these lads have no morals whatsoever, it's all about money, the easier they can obtain it the better.