Tesla Model 3 thread - V2.0

jusmeig

cnocbui wrote: »

FSD and Tesla robo taxis are simply not happening. The promotion of the prospect of these amounts to financial fraud.

They will, and it doesn't. Nobody reads the small print.

ted1

cnocbui wrote: »

https://www.sae.org/news/2019/03/2019-navigant-autonomous-leaderboard

A robo taxi requires level 5 automation. Tesla are not going from near last place L2 to first place L5 in less than a year. Musk claimed 1M Tesla robo-taxies by the end of 2020. That is simply not going to happen.

Musk himself was acknowledging the difficulties only last year, and then just a few month later, he's lying his face off and committing financial fraud.


https://www.inverse.com/article/52528-a-tale-of-two-autonomous-driving-timelines-detroit-auto-show-vs-ces

That means nothing without any content or showing the data it’s based on

EVGuy

TCP/IP wrote: »

You can’t afford this car based on what you are saying. Insane purchase don’t make the mistake of thinking you can for the love of god. I don’t care what you purchase just trying to give you finance advice. It is just a car don’t make a mistake and think otherwise. House and holidays are important not a bloody car, think what you are saying.

Why is the house more important if it's already comnfortable and the car brings us more joy than further work on the house?

I have NEVER been in debt other than a 25 year mortgage that I paid off in 11 years - the interest saving on that alone would pay for the car.

If I use the car for the holidays, how is that different to anotehr type of holiday if I enjoy it?

Believe me, I have been and am continuing to think about it.

I want to have some fun in my life before I die, I've been saving money for the last 30+ years of work, time to enjoy myself I think?

As I said, I am not in danger of starving and the savings are earning ZERO interest, so why sit on the money and be miserable if I can spend it and enjoy it?

Just putting an alternative perspective on it.

If I hadn't been riding motorcycles for the last 30 odd years I'd be in an insane asylum by now and only leave the house for work, so people have different needs and priorities.

Megan Big Goggle wrote: »

That doesn't include the grants so you can knock off 7500 off that price.

How do you mean, do they give out 7500 in grants for a BMW hybrid? I thought those were only for full EVs? And if they do, do the dealers not quote the prices after the grants the same as Tesla does?

ronan675

ted1 wrote: »

That means nothing without any content or showing the data it’s based on

Agreed. The sheer amount of data they are collecting by having Autopilot hardware in a commercially available vehicle is impressive.

https://hcai.mit.edu/tesla-autopilot-miles-and-vehicles/

TCP/IP

EVGuy wrote: »

Why is the house more important if it's already comfortable and the car brings us more joy than further work on the house?

I have NEVER been in debt other than a 25 year mortgage that I paid off in 11 years - the interest saving on that alone would pay for the car.

If I use the car for the holidays, how is that different to anotehr type of holiday if I enjoy it?

Believe me, I have been and am continuing to think about it.

I want to have some fun in my life before I die, I've been saving money for the last 30+ years of work, time to enjoy myself I think?

As I said, I am not in danger of starving and the savings are earning ZERO interest, so why sit on the money and be miserable if I can spend it and enjoy it?

Just putting an alternative perspective on it.

If I hadn't been riding motorcycles for the last 30 odd years I'd be in an insane asylum by now and only leave the house for work, so people have different needs and priorities.




How do you mean, do they give out 7500 in grants for a BMW hybrid? I thought those were only for full EVs? And if they do, do the dealers not quote the prices after the grants the same as Tesla does?

If you are purchasing for cash and you have a mortgage paid off then you are all good I did not get that impression from your previous posts. Enjoy your car sir but before you sign those papers think.

EVGuy

@TCP/IP



Out of interest, do you have one on order?

TCP/IP

ronan675 wrote: »

Agreed. The sheer amount of data they are collecting by having Autopilot hardware in a commercially available vehicle is impressive.

https://hcai.mit.edu/tesla-autopilot-miles-and-vehicles/

Imagine how much google is collecting through google maps and all the Android phones worldwide, Tesla is not even in the same ballpark data wise hence why Google is classed as a leader in self-driving autonomy.

TCP/IP

EVGuy wrote: »

@TCP/IP



Out of interest, do you have one on order?

No I dont.

EVGuy

TCP/IP wrote: »

Imagine how much google is collecting through google maps and all the Android phones worldwide, Tesla is not even in the same ballpark data wise hence why Google is classed as a leader in self-driving autonomy.

One difference there though is they only have "rough GPS" and phone IMU data presumably?

Tesla also has data from 8 cameras, radar and 12 ultrasonic sensors to use.

In addition, they have data for where a user differed in reaction from their predicted course (shadow mode driving) and what happened during incidents, edge cases seen (road works etc.) and possibly more.

In short a much larger pool of data types to draw from.

jusmeig

EVGuy wrote: »

Why is the house more important if it's already comfortable and the car brings us more joy than further work on the house?

I have NEVER been in debt other than a 25 year mortgage that I paid off in 11 years - the interest saving on that alone would pay for the car.

If I use the car for the holidays, how is that different to anotehr type of holiday if I enjoy it?

Believe me, I have been and am continuing to think about it.

I want to have some fun in my life before I die, I've been saving money for the last 30+ years of work, time to enjoy myself I think?

As I said, I am not in danger of starving and the savings are earning ZERO interest, so why sit on the money and be miserable if I can spend it and enjoy it?

Just putting an alternative perspective on it.

If I hadn't been riding motorcycles for the last 30 odd years I'd be in an insane asylum by now and only leave the house for work, so people have different needs and priorities.




How do you mean, do they give out 7500 in grants for a BMW hybrid? I thought those were only for full EVs? And if they do, do the dealers not quote the prices after the grants the same as Tesla does?

Buy that car buddy. Buy it, enjoy it. Better to burn out than to fade away.

ted1

TCP/IP wrote: »

Imagine how much google is collecting through google maps and all the Android phones worldwide, Tesla is not even in the same ballpark data wise hence why Google is classed as a leader in self-driving autonomy.

Google isn’t even listed.... Waymo is but I dint believe they can take data from google.

I’d also hazard a guess and say that GPS data isn’t to the same standard as in vehicle data, cameras sensors etc

GPS will show a car slow down. In car data will show an emergency break because a cat ran out, or that the road markings disappeared

TCP/IP

ted1 wrote: »

Google isn’t even listed.... Waymo is but I dint believe they can take data from google.

Of course they can it’s all part of Alphabet do you really think they don’t share data.

unkel

ronan675 wrote: »

Agreed. The sheer amount of data they are collecting by having Autopilot hardware in a commercially available vehicle is impressive.

https://hcai.mit.edu/tesla-autopilot-miles-and-vehicles/

That article is by Lex Fridman, a researcher and lecturer at MIT specialising in AI, autonomous vehicles and deep learning. Now there's someone who actually knows quite something about autonomous vehicles.

Linky


He also did a detailed interview with Musk on autonomous driving, well worth viewing if you are interested in this stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEv99vxKjVI

unkel

TCP/IP wrote: »

Of course they can it’s all part of Alphabet do you really think they don’t share data.

Data on where a vehicle has roughly been based on GPS logging from mobile phones in the car is completely useless as a base for deep learning. Zero help for autonomous driving. Surely you can see that?

BobbyBingo

And back to the Model 3....to persecute myself, took a quick spin by Sandyford this afternoon....

Two orphans waiting to be matched up...


One trying to escape before Brexit..


And this poor fella, says it all about Irish deliveries...

TCP/IP

unkel wrote: »

Data on where a vehicle has roughly been based on GPS logging from mobile phones in the car is completely useless as a base for deep learning. Zero help for autonomous driving. Surely you can see that?

Surely you know that Waymo aka Google is the recognised leader in autonomous driving and has been for a long time. In fact they even have government approval to take paying passengers.

Mec-a-nic

BobbyBingo wrote: »

And back to the Model 3....to persecute myself, took a quick spin by Sandyford this afternoon....

Two orphans waiting to be matched up...

Blue SR+, Black interior. That's my bloody car - come ON Tesla FFS

ted1

TCP/IP wrote: »

Surely you know that Waymo aka Google is the recognised leader in autonomous driving and has been for a long time. In fact they even have government approval to take paying passengers.

“though it may not charge riders, and a human safety driver must remain behind the wheel. ”

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2019/7/3/20680938/waymo-self-driving-cars-passengers-permit-california-pick-up

BobbyBingo

Mec-a-nic wrote: »

Blue SR+, Black interior. That's my bloody car - come ON Tesla FFS

You are right it is a SR+ ; how did you know though ? Would the LR look any different ?

un5byh7sqpd2x0

EVGuy wrote: »

How do you mean, do they give out 7500 in grants for a BMW hybrid? I thought those were only for full EVs? And if they do, do the dealers not quote the prices after the grants the same as Tesla does?

All PHEVs are entitled to both a VRT rebate and an SEAI grant, not as much as BEVs.

No, stealers don't always quote the grant inclusive prices, especially now when no one knows what the grants are going to be for next year

slave1

BobbyBingo wrote: »

You are right it is a SR+ ; how did you know though ? Would the LR look any different ?

Long range will have "Dual Motor" to the right hand side of rear number plate

jusmeig

Only these 2 outside? Sigh.

bdogg

This should be memed hard at Elon on twitter - #?IRELAND?

Sabre Man

TCP/IP wrote: »

Surely you know that Waymo aka Google is the recognised leader in autonomous driving and has been for a long time. In fact they even have government approval to take paying passengers.

Unless I'm mistaken they're geo-fenced, so it won't work unless they have extensive mapping of the area. You can drive on Autopilot almost anywhere, and it will only get better.

EVGuy

Megan Big Goggle wrote: »

All PHEVs are entitled to both a VRT rebate and an SEAI grant, not as much as BEVs.

No, stealers don't always quote the grant inclusive prices, especially now when no one knows what the grants are going to be for next year

That makes it very confusing - they should at least put a "grants may be available, please check with your dealer to confirm final pricing".

Otherwise their cars don't look as competitively priced versus others for those that are still OK with buying a more polluting and expensive to run vehicle.

The Tesla is still cheaper overall factoring in running costs and maintenance and likely future residual value, i suspect ICE car resale will plummet once pump prices etc. start increasing.

Anyway, let's try to keep on topic: Things to do with model 3 per the thread title. :)

Lumen

EVGuy wrote: »

The Tesla is still cheaper overall factoring in running costs and maintenance and likely future residual value

The idea of spending 50-60k on a car to save money is ridiculous. If you want to save money you can run a car for a few thousand a year, including depreciation.

markpb

Lumen wrote: »

The idea of spending 50-60k on a car to save money is ridiculous. If you want to save money you can run a car for a few thousand a year, including depreciation.

If you have 50k to spend, factoring in the TCO between two cars is perfectly valid.

If you don't have 50k to spend, hoping an EV will save you money is the act of a crazy person.

BobbyBingo

slave1 wrote: »

Long range will have "Dual Motor" to the right hand side of rear number plate

Yep but my pics were only of the front - so just trying to figure out how Mec-a-nic determined (quite correctly) that it was a SR+ ...

PaulRyan97

BobbyBingo wrote: »

Yep but my pics were only of the front - so just trying to figure out how Mec-a-nic determined (quite correctly) that it was a SR+ ...

The SR+ is about 150kg lighter than the LR, he must have weighed the photos you sent.

MagicBusDriver1

PaulRyan97 wrote: »

The SR+ is about 150kg lighter than the LR, he must have weighed the photos you sent.

No front fogs probably.