Tesla Model 3 thread - V2.0

wcooba

bdogg wrote: »

They are miles ahead of any autos who currently have to oursource all their battery manufacture - this is why they can't get price and supply sorted.

As per my previous post - this competitive advantage won't last long:
https://electrek.co/2019/09/23/volkswagen-battery-cell-production-electric-cars-pilot-line/

bdogg

wcooba wrote: »

As per my previous post - this competitive advantage won't last long:
https://electrek.co/2019/09/23/volkswagen-battery-cell-production-electric-cars-pilot-line/

Call me skeptical, but when it comes to promises from VW, I'll take it with a pinch of salt. Talk is cheap. It's easy to build prototypes and small runs. Volume manufacture is where none of the big autos have ever gone with electric.

There is a Tesla battery and powertrain investor day coming up soon which will be interesting to see how close the pack are to Tesla. Maxwell capacitor acquisition and new electrolyte chemistry for a 1 million mile battery using existing cells rumoured from recent patents filed.

Anyway, back to topic - Model 3! Friday delivery person - very jealous! Happy motoring and throw up a few pics please!

dumbyearbook

ted1 wrote: »

dumbyearbook wrote: »

It’s half the price for a reason there is way less involved to make it.

Far from it. The M3P has a lot of R&D to pay back. New factories to pay for.

The others are from brands they have been building variants of the car for the past 40+ years

True but in terms of what went into it there’s not much bar the software.

soc

s8n wrote: »

Picking up on Friday

So lucky! So who did you go with for insurance?

EVGuy

dumbyearbook wrote: »

True but in terms of what went into it there’s not much bar the software.

Where do you get that idea from? Their motors alone are ahead of the competition and must have taken a lot to develop.

Go and watch a few Sandy Munroe videos about the topic and come back to us and let us know if you still think that, look at the "super bottle" specifically.

In addition, the software is absolutely critical, the battery management is software - these cars require good software, it's not optional and software takes a lot of work to make too.

Anyway, this is going off topic again - is this why V1 of the thread was closed?

unkel

Lumen wrote: »

Tesla is too expensive for that. The market cap is $43bn.

That's nothing. Apple could pay that in cash, pay back the Irish tax payer the €13 bn we are owed in cash, and still have over $100bn in cash left.

BBMcQ

unkel wrote: »

That's nothing. Apple could pay that in cash, pay back the Irish tax payer the €13 bn we are owed in cash, and still have over $100bn in cash left.

Apple topped out at nearly $300bn in cash before the buy backs and repatriation tax breaks under Trump. So at Tesla’s highest rice circa Dec 2018 Apple could had bought them 5 times over. I think Alphabet is the most cash rich company now due to Apple’s reductions.

dumbyearbook

EVGuy wrote: »

Where do you get that idea from? Their motors alone are ahead of the competition and must have taken a lot to develop.

Go and watch a few Sandy Munroe videos about the topic and come back to us and let us know if you still think that, look at the "super bottle" specifically.

In addition, the software is absolutely critical, the battery management is software - these cars require good software, it's not optional and software takes a lot of work to make too.

Anyway, this is going off topic again - is this why V1 of the thread was closed?

I'm getting it from the fact that the Model 3 is one or two turbines with some software and four wheels thats all no big deal in that.

Just saying there is a lot less going on with a model 3 than an ICE car and in particular a high end one theres way less engineering gone into them bar the software. Its why they are cheap for what you get I suppose.

jusmeig

dumbyearbook wrote: »

I'm getting it from the fact that the Model 3 is one or two turbines with some software and four wheels thats all no big deal in that.

Turbines, what u smokin junior?
One or two turbines, which is still faster than the BMW M3 and Audi RS. Ohhhhh

dumbyearbook

Seth Orange Springboard wrote: »

Do you have experiance of either of these cars?

S8N congratulations...look forward to some pics.

Not the M3 or RS4 end but plenty of normal Audi, Mercedes and BMWs, I don't have to have driven them anyway I was speaking about the interiors! the point I am making is the Model 3 is pushing people here into finance/spending cash they cannot really afford on the basis of the model 3 being a life changing piece of technology - a BMW M3 or RS4 for half price - and that it will save them "a fortune"...which is rubbish.

dumbyearbook

jusmeig wrote: »

Turbines, what u smokin junior?
One or two turbines, which is still faster than the BMW M3 and Audi RS. Ohhhhh

OK motors then so same difference.

ted1

dumbyearbook wrote: »

I'm getting it from the fact that the Model 3 is one or two turbines with some software and four wheels thats all no big deal in that.

Just saying there is a lot less going on with a model 3 than an ICE car and in particular a high end one theres way less engineering gone into them bar the software. Its why they are cheap for what you get I suppose.

You are clearly trolling

btkm8unsl0w5r4

dumbyearbook wrote: »

I'm getting it from the fact that the Model 3 is one or two turbines with some software and four wheels thats all no big deal in that.

Just saying there is a lot less going on with a model 3 than an ICE car and in particular a high end one theres way less engineering gone into them bar the software. Its why they are cheap for what you get I suppose.

Sorry now your a total waffler. Just because you think something in your head does not make it true. The tech in a tesla is immense, the battery and motor efficiency and weight are leagues ahead of the competition, the Halbach array orientation is very optimised and cannot be reversed engineered.

Just because you dont know anything about it doesnt mean there is nothing there.

dumbyearbook

ted1 wrote: »

You are clearly trolling

No I'm not. Is it not true that is what goes into an electric car Motors and Batteries.

dumbyearbook

Seth Orange Springboard wrote: »

Sorry now your a total waffler. Just because you think something in your head does not make it true. The tech in a tesla is immense, the battery and motor efficiency and weight are leagues ahead of the competition, the Halbach array orientation is very optimised and cannot be reversed engineered.

Just because you dont know anything about it doesnt mean there is nothing there.

The Tech is good but its software, motors and batteries I get that they are way ahead of everyone right now but at a basic level that is what goes into the car.

That is a fact call that waffle if you want.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

dumbyearbook wrote: »

The Tech is good but its software, motors and batteries I get that they are way ahead of everyone right now but at a basic level that is what goes into the car.

That is a fact call that waffle if you want.

Well it would be a bit stupid if it had a ICE engine wouldnt it....you are a troll.

dumbyearbook

Seth Orange Springboard wrote: »

Well it would be a bit stupid if it had a ICE engine wouldnt it....you are a troll.

I'm not a troll at all just because someone doesn't agree with you or have the same viewpoint on this is clearly upsetting you fanboys or whatever you call yourselves.

This thread was going into the topic of people who could not afford to buy these cars and are still going ahead with it. Thats my interest in this, people buying a 50K car for the first time that never bought new before because of the tech in this car.

ted1

dumbyearbook wrote: »

The Tech is good but its software, motors and batteries I get that they are way ahead of everyone right now but at a basic level that is what goes into the car.

That is a fact call that waffle if you want.

Petrol , spark plugs and pistons. Is an ICE any difference?

dumbyearbook

ted1 wrote: »

Petrol , spark plugs and pistons. Is an ICE any difference?

Look thats not what I am interested in here at all (I've a limited enough knowledge of what actually makes a Tesla go as proven above in the nicest way by a couple of people), my interest is really more what I have posted above.

This is still just a car at the end of the day and people are going to go broke getting them by the looks of it.

Gumbo

dumbyearbook wrote: »

Look thats not what I am interested in here at all (I've a limited enough knowledge of what actually makes a Tesla go as proven above in the nicest way by a couple of people), my interest is really more what I have posted above.

This is still just a car at the end of the day and people are going to go broke getting them by the looks of it.

I’m sure people are buying them because they are considering a car in the price range already.

Why spend 50k on a 520d if a Tesla M3 can be got?

ted1

dumbyearbook wrote: »

Look thats not what I am interested in here at all (I've a limited enough knowledge of what actually makes a Tesla go as proven above in the nicest way by a couple of people), my interest is really more what I have posted above.

This is still just a car at the end of the day and people are going to go broke getting them by the looks of it.

So buy a Dacia...

krissovo

dumbyearbook wrote: »

I'm not a troll at all just because someone doesn't agree with you or have the same viewpoint on this is clearly upsetting you fanboys or whatever you call yourselves.

This thread was going into the topic of people who could not afford to buy these cars and are still going ahead with it. Thats my interest in this, people buying a 50K car for the first time that never bought new before because of the tech in this car.

Your ignorance does not exclude you from being a troll I am afraid.

dumbyearbook

kceire wrote: »

I’m sure people are buying them because they are considering a car in the price range already.

Why spend 50k on a 520d if a Tesla M3 can be got?

I hope so.

ted1 wrote: »

So buy a Dacia...

I'm planning on buying a Tesla.

dumbyearbook

krissovo wrote: »

Your ignorance does not exclude you from being a troll I am afraid.

I'd not meant to offend anyone the thread was gone onto the topic of affordability which is a fair enough topic to be honest with this car in particular.

PaulRyan97

Think this thread is getting off topic. Can we get back to stalking maritime traffic?

eddhorse

PaulRyan97 wrote: »

Think this thread is getting off topic. Can we get back to stalking maritime traffic?

Agreed , wasting all our time reading some recent posts

dumbyearbook

eddhorse wrote: »

Agreed , wasting all our time reading some recent posts

Time waits for no man.

krissovo

dumbyearbook wrote: »

I'd not meant to offend anyone the thread was gone onto the topic of affordability which is a fair enough topic to be honest with this car in particular.

Ok then to give you the benefit of doubt, in summary Tesla while it may appear simple with a Battery > Battery management > Motor > Power output what they have done with the M3 is bring the technology up to the next level.

Batteries - Tesla has the highest power density output by size. Example if you compare the size of say two leaf 30kwh batteries with the Tesla 60kwh it would be much smaller & efficient. A good example is the I3 which also has a good battery, it started with a ~22kwh battery in 2015 but now in the same space has doubled in output to ~40kwh with only a small increase in weight.

The motors in the M3 are are “permanent magnet motors” rather than using induction (lots of windings) so do not need an electric “excitor” and therefor efficient but pack a punch.

Battery management - in short fast charging. Tesla with their new supper chargers are approaching speeds that could be considered as catching up with filling up with petrol. 75 miles in 5 mins for the V3 charger (250kw) which is 4 times faster than a leaf, Kia & I3, 2x faster than Audi.

unkel

BBMcQ wrote: »

Apple topped out at nearly $300bn in cash before the buy backs and repatriation tax breaks under Trump. So at Tesla’s highest rice circa Dec 2018 Apple could had bought them 5 times over. I think Alphabet is the most cash rich company now due to Apple’s reductions.

I'd say Alphabet have no interest in buying Tesla. That said, they should have done so 10 years ago

unkel

Seth Orange Springboard wrote: »

mondello need to install a supercharger

They must be listening. Tesla just installed a supercharger at the Nürburgring this week :cool:



I bet you are already planning a trip over there in your Model 3 P