ISIS people returning thread - no Lisa Smith talk (21/12/19)

Danzy

DelaneyIn wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/irish-fighters-travel-to-north-africa-foreign-terrorist-fighters-go-from-ireland-to-libya-say-eu-police-agency-934052.html

Lovely stuff. Any of them who are naturalized Irish citizens should have their new Irish citizenship rescinded immediately.

People don't like to talk about it but we have a significant Jihadi problem here.

The main Mosques are more Hard line than average ones in Europe and it shows in the very high per capita rate of Jihadi in the Islamic Community.

mad muffin

I guess they don’t want to stay here and hug and kiss Leo.

Beechwoodspark

That awful awful bitch Lisa Smith on RTÉ news

Lies upon lies.

She denies training isis members in firearms. Even though many accuse her of it.

Never ever should she be allowed back into Ireland.

Let her stay over there with her isis degenerates.

Patrick2010

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

That awful awful bitch Lisa Smith on RTÉ news

Lies upon lies.

She denies training isis members in firearms. Even though many accuse her of it.

Never ever should she be allowed back into Ireland.

Let her stay over there with her isis degenerates.

What people should remember about Lisa Smith is she went to join ISIS in 2015 when they were at their strongest and controlled large areas in Iraq and Syria. Back then they were posting regular videos of beheadings of journalists, aid workers and christians in Libya, gays being thrown off roofs, Yazidis men being slaughtered and women taken as sex slaves.


Its irrelevant whether she trained anyone or not, she knew exactly what an evil organisation she was joining. She was in her thirties, not an impressionable 15 year old.


She probably believed ISIS were so strong they could never be defeated. Even as they were being pushed back she stayed with them right to their final stand. She can stay there as far as I'm concerned.
Why would she want to come back here anyway? , in one of her earlier interviews one of the things she liked about that "paradise" of Racqua was that there were no gays there.

Patrick2010

You can see the BBC interview here

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-middle-east-48871393/is-bride-lisa-smith-denies-training-girls-to-become-fighters

Accepts there was torture and brutality but doesn't know if the perpetrators deserve punishment. Heard about the treatment of the Yazidis but doesn't know if its true. Says she wants to live in a Caliphate.

ChikiChiki

Based on Lisa Smith's latest comments, we would be extremely foolish to take her back. I cannot see any remorse in her.

mynamejeff

Thats some interview , she is like a traveller caught shoplifting , deny deny deny and when confronted with evidence blame some one else ,

she is a criminal and should be treated as such and left to face the consequences of her actions ,


anything else would be a insult to the victims of IS

end of the road

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

That awful awful bitch Lisa Smith on RTÉ news

Lies upon lies.

She denies training isis members in firearms. Even though many accuse her of it.

Never ever should she be allowed back into Ireland.

Let her stay over there with her isis degenerates.

both aren't possible.
she has to be allowed back into ireland as she is an irish citizen, ireland doesn't even get a choice in that.
she can't be left wherever she is as she is not a citizen of there and they don't want her, + they can play the same game with us.

gw80

Hang on, hang on, you mean to tell me all these cockroaches are still hold up together in the one place and nobody has dropped any napalm yet,
Wheres a mysteryous chemical attack when you need it?

Tea drinker

end of the road wrote: »

both aren't possible.
she has to be allowed back into ireland as she is an irish citizen, ireland doesn't even get a choice in that.
she can't be left wherever she is as she is not a citizen of there and they don't want her, + they can play the same game with us.

The trouble with this is the Irish Gov are unwilling or unable to see the role of Islam, and who it has previously allowed into Ireland as having caused the issue. The horse has bolted with radical Islam, that's how this idiot Lisa got radicalized I assume. The Irish and all western Gov have to keep that under wraps as even talking about that is deemed racist (a handy way to shut down debate.)
The disaster here is it is going to cost millions over the coming years to "mind" Lisa when she comes back. She could radicalise people herself.
Meanwhile the Gov is virtue signalling at a mad rate as it costs them nothing to collect those virtue points. Us plebs on the other hand....stuck with a 200 billion euro bill for the bailout, retirement at age 68 , 70? who knows when it comes to it. All these moronic politicians can't really deal with problems, they simply aren't equipped beyond soundbites.

Ulysses Gaze

Tea drinker wrote: »

The trouble with this is the Irish Gov are unwilling or unable to see the role of Islam, and who it has previously allowed into Ireland as having caused the issue. The horse has bolted with radical Islam, that's how this idiot Lisa got radicalized I assume. The Irish and all western Gov have to keep that under wraps as even talking about that is deemed racist (a handy way to shut down debate.)
The disaster here is it is going to cost millions over the coming years to "mind" Lisa when she comes back. She could radicalise people herself.
Meanwhile the Gov is virtue signalling at a mad rate as it costs them nothing to collect those virtue points. Us plebs on the other hand....stuck with a 200 billion euro bill for the bailout, retirement at age 68 , 70? who knows when it comes to it. All these moronic politicians can't really deal with problems, they simply aren't equipped beyond soundbites.

Politicians don't give a **** about you working until you are 70 because they will not be.

They have gold plated pensions waiting for them whenever they **** up and retire. Then if they want, a place on some board somewhere or even aboard the EU gravy train.

They don't give a **** about you, they don't give a **** about you.

At all.

And as for this scumbag Isis member, Varadkar said we need to treat her with "compassion".

Anyone that thinks that, knowing what we know about Isis, is not fit to lead the country.

mad muffin

end of the road wrote: »

both aren't possible.
she has to be allowed back into ireland as she is an irish citizen, ireland doesn't even get a choice in that.
she can't be left wherever she is as she is not a citizen of there and they don't want her, + they can play the same game with us.

Has she been arrested, detained, tried, and is now facing deportation?

jmreire

The Germans are on the ball though.....


https://eyeonislamism.com/2019/07/05/german-islamic-state-bride-jailed-for-5-years/

Calhoun

I see two scenarios when she gets home, either she will be ostracized or will be a little bit of cult hero as people gather around her and pat themselves on the back for being so accepting.

Feisar

end of the road wrote: »

both aren't possible.
she has to be allowed back into ireland as she is an irish citizen, ireland doesn't even get a choice in that.
she can't be left wherever she is as she is not a citizen of there and they don't want her, + they can play the same game with us.

Plenty of deep water between there and here to get rid, failing that, plenty of bog holes in Offaly.

Feisar

Calhoun wrote: »

I see two scenarios when she gets home, either she will be ostracized or will be a little bit of cult hero as people gather around her and pat themselves on the back for being so accepting.

The group wankathon will be a thing to behold!

jmreire

mad muffin wrote: »

Has she been arrested, detained, tried, and is now facing deportation?

Neither the Kurds nor the Syrian's want anything to do with "Foreign" isis fighter's they have captured...they want them gone... ASAP. Iraqi isis member's have been repatriated to Iraq, with the agreement of the Iraqi Government. Syrian isis member's or any isis members who have been proved to have carried out atrocities....for sure, I do not give much for their chances of survival. But European isis members, are a hot potato, and they want them gone. For any Country that has anti-isis Law's, it's not a problem...they come home, and answer for their crimes, but we don't have any such law's yet. And that's the problem.

ChikiChiki

Calhoun wrote: »

I see two scenarios when she gets home, either she will be ostracized or will be a little bit of cult hero as people gather around her and pat themselves on the back for being so accepting.

A late late show appearance and magazine deals await. Knowing how ****ed up society has become she will probably end up a millionaire.

jmreire

ChikiChiki wrote: »

A late late show appearance and magazine deals await. Knowing how ****ed up society has become she will probably end up a millionaire.

It's quite possible that it will play out like that here in Ireland ( more than likely, maybe ) But from other Country's where isis members have returned home,aside from reporting of the trial and sentencing, you don't hear too much more about them. Could be that there is an unofficial "blanking" of any publicity which isis could turn to their advantage, plus People are still in a state of shock and horror from the atrocities committed by isis and don't want to hear any more about them. I for one, would not buy a book about isis written by one of their adherents.

end of the road

Feisar wrote: »

Plenty of deep water between there and here to get rid, failing that, plenty of bog holes in Offaly.

that isn't going to happen. you will need to be realistic and come up with realistic ideas and solutions.

jmreire

end of the road wrote: »

that isn't going to happen. you will need to be realistic and come up with realistic ideas and solutions.

When this issue first became public, a few months ago, and most people thought that Lisa would be home within a few days or at the latest, a week or two, I made the point that until she actually arrived back in Ireland, nothing could be taken for granted. Its still the same IMHO...there are still many "steps" to be carried out, and I would not be taking any bet's on it. If the Irish Government really wanted her home, she would already be back,,,but it does not look like that, does it? To the best of my knowledge, the Syrian / Kurdish Authorities have not yet received ant official request from the Irish Government to repatriate Lisa. Given the Syrian /Kurdish wish to repatriate all foreign fighters back to their homeland, they would not refuse such a request. The best we are hearing from the government is that, as it's still a War Zone ( true ) they don't have any Consular presence there, and are relying on the Red Cross to investigate the possibilities of returning Lisa home.
True, it's back in the news again just now, but as the song say's " It's a long long way from there to here".....and many potholes on the road.....

skooterblue2

jmreire wrote: »

When this issue first became public, a few months ago, and most people thought that Lisa would be home within a few days or at the latest, a week or two, I made the point that until she actually arrived back in Ireland, nothing could be taken for granted. Its still the same IMHO...there are still many "steps" to be carried out, and I would not be taking any bet's on it. If the Irish Government really wanted her home, she would already be back,,,but it does not look like that, does it? To the best of my knowledge, the Syrian / Kurdish Authorities have not yet received ant official request from the Irish Government to repatriate Lisa.

The Irish State are a sly lot (I mean the mechanisms that exist between the civil service, industry, banks and elected officials). On one hand when someone like Brendan Keenan goes missing they drag it out for years to get trade deals out of it, when he was really someone elses problem. When an NGO Aid worker goes missing they try the softly softly approach and then send the Army Ranger Wing in. And when an little Egyptian boy gets lost in the Mosque because he lets go of the big sisters hand, well then they just wait for a big ole bag of money out of Daddys war chest.

mad muffin

jmreire wrote: »

The Germans are on the ball though.....


https://eyeonislamism.com/2019/07/05/german-islamic-state-bride-jailed-for-5-years/

They should be passing legislation here to do the same tootsweet.

Gunmonkey

mad muffin wrote: »

They should be passing legislation here to do the same tootsweet.

Thye wont bother even trying, you will have opposition parties shrieking its an attack on religious freedoms or some dross.

As for her life after coming back, would probably see her being heralded as a new "face of Islam in Ireland" by the media: not the Muslim community, mind, who would see her as an extremist nut who only discredits their name, but would see RTE or the likes treat her as a more "approachable" Muslim. Probably give her a 6 part TV special about "Life as a Muslim woman in Ireland" :rolleyes:

Boggles

skooterblue2 wrote: »

On one hand when someone like Brendan Keenan goes missing they drag it out for years to get trade deals out of it, when he was really someone elses problem.

What trade deal did they get out of it?

Keenan was a British and Irish citizen.

Thatcher let him rot, the Irish eventually got him out.

What's your point again?

skooterblue2

Boggles wrote: »

What trade deal did they get out of it?

Keenan was a British and Irish citizen.

Thatcher let him rot, the Irish eventually got him out.

What's your point again?

Well you would want to read "Accidental Diplomat" by Sean Delaney.

Keenan was a CIA asset. Why do you think they held on to an "innocent maaa-an" for so long? Its difficult to ask back for property that isnt yours. Obviously he was a bit more than a innocent "Photo journalist" from a neutral country. If the intelligence services had an interest with him.
There was no thanks from Brian Keenans sisters for efforts from the Irish department of Foreign affairs. They accused the the DFA of dragging their heels. According to the book the Irish would set up a meeting with Lebanese government, make weak efforts as he was really a CIA asset but then say lets sell some beef while we are at it.


Sean Delaney was a 3rd secretary in the Department of Foreign affairs at the Eastern European Desk, the US Embassy and others. I didnt finish the whole book but there is a lot in it.

You should also look at members of NGO's who get into trouble. I am curious of why the Irish Government sent the ARW into Somalia (I think) a few years back to retrieve an Irish NGO who was held hostage and usual lines of communications had failed. I am often am suspicious that they are surveying sites or providing intelligence for Industry/Banking/Military backers.

mynamejeff

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Well you would want to read "Accidental Diplomat" by Sean Delaney.

Keenan was a CIA asset. Why do you think they held on to an "innocent maaa-an" for so long? Its difficult to ask back for property that isnt yours. Obviously he was a bit more than a innocent "Photo journalist" from a neutral country. If the intelligence services had an interest with him.
There was no thanks from Brian Keenans sisters for efforts from the Irish department of Foreign affairs. They accused the the DFA of dragging their heels. According to the book the Irish would set up a meeting with Lebanese government, make weak efforts as he was really a CIA asset but then say lets sell some beef while we are at it.


Sean Delaney was a 3rd secretary in the Department of Foreign affairs at the Eastern European Desk, the US Embassy and others. I didnt finish the whole book but there is a lot in it.

You should also look at members of NGO's who get into trouble. I am curious of why the Irish Government sent the ARW into Somalia (I think) a few years back to retrieve an Irish NGO who was held hostage and usual lines of communications had failed. I am often am suspicious that they are surveying sites or providing intelligence for Industry/Banking/Military backers.

everything in this post is wrong incorrect and or misunderstood as usual :-)

Phoebas

Brian Keenan was a CIA asset... and a photo journalist!?

You learn something new every day.

skooterblue2

mynamejeff wrote: »

everything in this post is wrong incorrect and or misunderstood as usual :-)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Accidental-Diplomat-Years-Foreign-Service/dp/1902602390

Feel free to take it up with Author.

Its a fantastic book. Telling about Iraqi ministers brought into a room with beef salesmen and Larry Goodman sitting in the corner.
100 Irish Passports disappeared about the same time we got 5000 Morrison Visas. Soon after Col. Ollie North entered Iran on an Irish passport.

volchitsa

Phoebas wrote: »

Brian Keenan was a CIA asset... and a photo journalist!?

You learn something new every day.

Dunno about the CIA thing but since he was a teacher at the American University in Beirut and not a photo journalist, I think the poster may be confusing him with someone else. Or with a character in a fiction they have read.