ISIS people returning thread - no Lisa Smith talk (21/12/19)

biko

This conversation is really just a rehash of one I had in February in this very thread.

I said it then and I'll say it now. Send them Saudi Arabia for housing there.
They get to be in the closest thing there is to a caliphate and we don't have to worry about them radicalising immigrants and Irish people.

Im sure the Saudis will welcome them with open arms.

WrenBoy

cfuserkildare wrote: »

The first line of your comment may not be entirely accurate,


To become a member of ISIS isn't a person required to recind the citizenship of their home country?


Ie giving up theyre passports, and Right to a Passport?

Ya they did but the world doesn't recognise "i.s" as a nation state and they have no land so its like saying Im not Irish anymore Im a member of Galway Anglers State (no offence G.A.S) unfortunately there is no place to send them, I'd be happy to send them to the moon myself.

jmreire

biko wrote: »

This conversation is really just a rehash of one I had in February in this very thread.

I said it then and I'll say it now. Send them Saudi Arabia for housing there.
They get to be in the closest thing there is to a caliphate and we don't have to worry about them radicalising immigrants and Irish people.

Im sure the Saudis will welcome them with open arms.

Sending them to Saudi Arabia would be the ideal solution, as the Wahhabi version of Islam is one of the most fundamentalist in the World, but even that was not extreme enough for isis. And the last thing that the Saudis want is any even more extreme version of Islam threatening their own monopoly of that religion. They even disowned Osama Bin Laden and withdrew his citizenship. So as far as isis goes, No Thanks' ..There are factions within Islam world wide who are questioning the Saudi Family's right to be the sole guardians of Islam just because Mecca is located in Saudi Arabia. If isis was successful, they would have been a serious threat to the House of Saud. So, No, they would not be welcome there.

end of the road

cfuserkildare wrote: »

The first line of your comment may not be entirely accurate,


To become a member of ISIS isn't a person required to recind the citizenship of their home country?


Ie giving up theyre passports, and Right to a Passport?

isis is not a state and is quite rightly not recognised as such.
a person can only become a citizen of a state, not a terrorist group.
therefore their citizenship of their home country remains.

biko wrote: »

This conversation is really just a rehash of one I had in February in this very thread.

I said it then and I'll say it now. Send them Saudi Arabia for housing there.
They get to be in the closest thing there is to a caliphate and we don't have to worry about them radicalising immigrants and Irish people.

Im sure the Saudis will welcome them with open arms.

that is not possible.
a country cannot be forced to take on citizens of another country.
saudi arabia cannot be forced to take foreign isis members and they will not do so.

skooterblue2

Boggles wrote: »

How do you "eject" an Irish Citizen living here?

The same way Muslim countries treated Jihadis after the Afghanistan war ended in the 1980's.
"The door is closed, you arent welcome".

Sawduck

Ya we really shouldn't take any former isis members back to Ireland, they will just be free within a week, we live in a weak country who parden terrorists

Boggles

skooterblue2 wrote: »

The same way Muslim countries treated Jihadis after the Afghanistan war ended in the 1980's.
"The door is closed, you arent welcome".

Yeah in the scenario mentioned they are all ready in, but you are half right the door is closed.

ohnonotgmail

cfuserkildare wrote: »

The first line of your comment may not be entirely accurate,


To become a member of ISIS isn't a person required to recind the citizenship of their home country?


Ie giving up theyre passports, and Right to a Passport?

that question has been asked and answered at least 20 times already

biko

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

that question has been asked and answered at least 20 times already

There are three and a half thousand posts in this thread.
Are you telling the user they have to read all those posts because you don't want to give them the answer?

ohnonotgmail

biko wrote: »

There are three and a half thousand posts in this thread.
Are you telling the user they have to read all those posts because you don't want to give them the answer?

there is nothing stopping you giving the answer

jmreire

cfuserkildare wrote: »

The first line of your comment may not be entirely accurate,


To become a member of ISIS isn't a person required to recind the citizenship of their home country?


Ie giving up theyre passports, and Right to a Passport?

Standing in the middle of the isis welcoming committee for new member's in Raqqa and ritually throwing your passport on the fire, while declaring publicly your forever rejection of your " former " country's citizenship, doe's not in fact end your citizenship of that Country. Destroying the document does not change the fact that you are still it's citizen. A Country can only reclaim citizenship from some one who already has or is entitled to citizenship of a second Country. You cannot be made stateless. The UK Government tried to remove UK citizenship from their isis girl Begum, as her parents were originally from Bangladesh. So in theory she would not be stateless ( despite the fact that she had never lived in Bangladesh.) But the Bangladeshi Government point blank refused to grant her citizenship , and so the UK have to accept her back in England.
Here in Ireland each year 100's of passport's are lost,,, but that does not make them stateless.....It need's a replacement passport / travel document, and that's that.

Beasty

More posts deleted. Any more Lisa Smith talk and we'll have to close the thread

Any questions PM me. Do not respond to this post in-thread

biko

How another country does things differently

Norway's governing coalition collapses over ISIS repatriation
Norway's ruling coalition has disbanded after the populist Progress Party (FRP) left the government, partly due to the repatriation of a mother with suspected ISIS links from Syria.
Siv Jensen, leader of the Progress Party, said she would take the party out of the right-wing coalition government Monday.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/20/europe/norway-government-collapse-isis-intl/index.html