Calls for Graham Linehan to be removed from Prime Debate on transgender issues!

AndrewJRenko

Sittingpretty wrote: »

I don’t, no.

Obtuse questions don’t detract from biological fact.

Do you generally feel the need to align others’ opinions with your own?

Isn't it the same though? The facts show there is no god. Some people choose to believe in it, so why do you let them on with their thing, while insisting on on 'the truth' for transgender people?

sabat

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I'm told that if you head to Thailand, you might find some pretty confusing scenarios arising there that might challenge your certainty about being able to tell one from other.

I lived in Bangkok for a year-I could spot a transexual quite easily after a few weeks. There are certain lines and ratios associated with the male body that just can't be fixed through surgery, even if their face is very pretty (I have no problem acknowledging that.)
Seeing as you raised the subject of Thailand, is the preponderance of transsexualism there (and to a lesser extent in other South East Asian countries) not prima-facie evidence that there is a strong social contagion element to the phenomenon? Otherwise it would have to be genetic or environmental, neither of which is the case.

Sittingpretty

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Isn't it the same though? The facts show there is no god. Some people choose to believe in it, so why do you let them on with their thing, while insisting on on 'the truth' for transgender people?

I do though, I’ve said that a thousand times.

If you’re asking me do I believe they are biologically equivalent to born women/men then no, I don’t.

I’m not sure I can articulate that in a way to make it better understood. You appear to find me in some way deficient because I won’t say that a trans man/woman is the same as a person that was born in a man/woman’s body.

I’ve yet to see any evidence even approaching a convincing argument from you, or anyone else in this thread to make me question fact.

fattymuatty

BBFAN wrote: »

Nope, I'm a woman and I put no initials or anything else before what I am either.

As is a transsexual woman. She's a woman, what's the difference?

And believe me I know from experience men don't give two fcuks as long as there's a vagina involved.

I defy any man to tell me different.

I'm really confused about the fact you seem to have so much to say but don't even know the basics of biology. Trans women can't have vaginas or birth canals as they are also called. So as you say yourself if men don't give two fcuks as long as there is a vagina, then it follows some men won't want to have sex with transwomen even post op as they don't have vaginas.

AllForIt

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Transgender people exist. Literally no one has said otherwise. But they are not the same as a person who is not transgender. They don't magically literally become the opposite sex. Some people are not attracted to a person who has transitioned for various reasons and that's ok. Some people are, that's ok too. Whatever.

Unfortunately this is what they *think* can happen through so called transitioning.

The problem is they know full well it's not the same and that is why they continue to have mental problems even when medical intervention has done as much as it can.

From all accounts some ppl feel better about themselves to a degree but like that trans man on Prime Time the other day he still seems to be struggling. And I doubt that's because he feels non acceptance in society, it's because of his own problems that he knows will never go away. Not that I think that's not possible given the right treatment.

MUFC91CS

One eyed Jack wrote: »

How does that work for people who’s preferred gender pronouns are non-binary? Nobody is denying they exist, they’re saying themselves that they are neither man nor woman.

It’s very simple alright - gender and sex are two completely different concepts. Humans are a biologically dichotomous species - male and female. As regards gender, there can be an infinite number of genders, it still wouldn’t have any impact on biology.

The argument against the whole biological debate is always that sex and gender are two different things and that gender exists on spectrum but I'm full sure if a trans person was filling out a form and was presented with a question relating to sex they would fill it in as there chosen gender identity or simply be offended by it.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

I think when it comes to children under the age of 18 anyone allowing and/or encouraging them to take extreme life changing drugs is tantamount to child abuse/wilful neglect. I think it is such a dangerous road to go down as a society.

Remember hearing about Fallon Fox a few years ago and how she is a transgender MMA fighter. Anybody that said, that looks like a man trying to kick the sh1t out of woman in a cage for money was put on 'Twitter blast'. That's when I knew this was a bad road.

kowloon

mcmoustache wrote: »

Care to explain 1488 to those of us who don't frequent nazi sites?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words

Will I Am Not

BBFAN wrote: »

I never called anyone any names. Just wondering why a man wouldn't have sex with a woman he found extremely attractive and was having a lovely time with?

Please explain?

Simple. A woman and a trans woman are not the same. I’ve no issue with an adult man transitioning to a woman, I’ll go along with whatever they want to be called and all the rest that goes with it but I’ve no interest in anything sexual with someone that used to be a man.

Franz Von Peppercorn

BBFAN wrote: »

A transsexual who has had the operation is a woman, suggesting that they're not suggests that they don't exist.

Very simple.

What if they transition the other way?

In any case you are wrong on this substantive point. Under Irish law you just need self id. No transition needed to be a woman.

Hotblack Desiato

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

I think it's suggested the Unisex facilities are more commonplace/opening to mostly appease transgenders unless I'm reading incorrectly.

They're bloody handy if you're a parent bringing child(ren) who are not the same sex/gender as you to a swimming pool.

Hotblack Desiato

technics121O wrote: »

lol the left is literally eating itself
us right wingers can relax and take over every government in europe, and the usa, and brazil

1488

Brazil? Bit brown for you, no?

90210

Cartroubles

Are there really people attacking posters that said they wouldn't want to have sex with a trans woman?

I'm all for live and let live, and that includes allowing people to have their sexual preferences.

suicide_circus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D_lK8cwmgg

HandsomeBob

^I think most of that crap is just born out of trolls on social media....and young people on the same platform who haven't a clue.

If you follow the stories of these women who have shared their story, it's clear the pain and stress that is caused by having not fully transitioned yet. I've never seen anyone ever get a chip on their shoulder about dating pre op and the limitations it causes.

I'd argue that making a video about this is actually more dangerous because it gives legitimacy to what's clearly only a thing on social media designed to wind people up. The video only serves to peddle further that every day fear of those "whack job trannies trying to manipulate us all."

All that being said I agree with the woman's general sentiment about how dating is down to preference and finding a partner - no one should get a chip on their shoulder about that.

crustyjuggler

Has Graham Linehan been knocked off his pedal stool yet ?

ohnonotgmail

crustyjuggler wrote: »

Has Graham Linehan been knocked off his pedal stool yet ?

Knocked off his what?

crustyjuggler

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Knocked off his what?

His ' pedal stool ' or for want of a better word his ' perch '

branie2

I think the poster means pedestal

ohnonotgmail

crustyjuggler wrote: »

His ' pedal stool ' or for want of a better word his ' perch '

One of these?

mazcon

crustyjuggler wrote: »

Has Graham Linehan been knocked off his pedal stool yet ?

This pedal stool? https://www.google.com/search?q=pedal+stool&safe=strict&client=ms-android-huawei&prmd=isvn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjG8c2Rl4bgAhUyRxUIHSLsCT8Q_AUoAXoECA0QAQ&biw=360&bih=524

Bluefoam

crustyjuggler wrote: »

His ' pedal stool ' or for want of a better word his ' perch '

Pedestal?

ELM327

branie2 wrote: »

I think the poster means pedestal

I think in his/her rush to be offended they forgot the correct word.
#2019 folks.

ohnonotgmail

ELM327 wrote: »

I think in his/her rush to be offended they forgot the correct word.
#2019 folks.

Due to my extensive reading of the Facebook thread i knew exactly what they meant.

crustyjuggler

The debate was a bit of a damp squid .

Bluefoam

crustyjuggler wrote: »

The debate was a bit of a damp squid .

*Squib

Yay, I get to be the grammar Nazi!

EdgeCase

Well, just be thankful it didn't have Jen Barber (IT Crowd) on the panel to give her insightful views.

mazcon

Would anyone know where I could get a nice chester draws?

ELM327

crustyjuggler wrote: »

The debate was a bit of a damp squid .

For all intensive porpoises.

Bannasidhe

mazcon wrote: »

Would anyone know where I could get a nice chester draws?

If you are looking for Chester drawers there are loads of designer clothes shops in The Rows on Watergate st.