38kWh Ioniq

slicedpanman

Any other confirmations of this
https://pushevs.com/2019/01/19/2020-hyundai-ioniq-electric-arrives-this-september-with-more-range/

Can't seem to correct my spelling in the thread title... I'll leave that for a mod

Mike9832

Range is nice but 118bhp

Needed a good power increase

BigAl81

Ah Jasus, just bought the 28kWh one last week

I wonder what the upgrade cost on a 191 28kWh for the 201 38kWh would be... Hmmmm??

gunnerfitzy

Press release from Hyundai here

https://www.hyundai.news/eu/model-news/new-2019-hyundai-ioniq-hybrid-and-plug-in-maximise-connectivity/

Describes hybrid and PHEV but one would imagine relevant upgrades will apply to electric also.

Liking the optional 10.25" infotainment display!

Considering there will be an emergency call function a built-in sim is going to be installed. So I wonder will we see a fully functioning app for the electric version?

Mike9832

BigAl81 wrote: »

Ah Jasus, just bought the 28kWh one last week

I wonder what the upgrade cost on a 191 28kWh for the 201 38kWh would be... Hmmmm??

Don't fret

For sure it's going to be 5k more expensive and no scrappage

listermint

Mike9832 wrote: »

Don't fret

For sure it's going to be 5k more expensive and no scrappage

Why no scrappage

BigAl81

Mike9832 wrote: »

Don't fret

For sure it's going to be 5k more expensive and no scrappage

I'd hope they wouldn't scrap my 191 :eek:

Mike9832

listermint wrote: »

Why no scrappage

They won't do scrappage on a new model like this imo

Like the Kona 64kWh

I would guess this model will be 33k, Kona 38k

Slots in nicely

Mike9832

BigAl81 wrote: »

I'd hope they wouldn't scrap my 191 :eek:

Its not a Leaf 😂

listermint

Mike9832 wrote: »

They won't do scrappage on a new model like this imo

Like the Kona 64kWh

I would guess this model will be 33k, Kona 38k

Slots in nicely

They did scrappage on the original ioniq. So that dispels your guess.

Mike9832

listermint wrote: »

They did scrappage on the original ioniq. So that dispels your guess.

Times have changed

Wanna bet?

Mike9832

listermint wrote: »

They did scrappage on the original ioniq. So that dispels your guess.

I hope they do btw and would love if it's priced similar

Ioniq is the best affordable EV out there

With this upgrade its a Limerick to Dublin motorway cruiser @ 120

Will be my poor man's Tesla if if price is 30k or below

Mike9832

Anyone know German?

https://youtu.be/lqMcFkPsaXI

Zenith74

Mike9832 wrote: »

Anyone know German?

https://youtu.be/lqMcFkPsaXI

If you turn on subtitles, then go into Settings you can Auto-Translate them to English, works quite well actually!


I'd be surprised if the new Ioniq went up by €5k, Leaf40 didn't really increase from Leaf30 or Leaf30 from Leaf24. I can see a 50/60kWh Ioniq being that €5k more expensive, but I'd assume the upgrade to 40kWh is just battery tech improvements. Right?

listermint

Mike9832 wrote: »

Times have changed

Wanna bet?

Why would I bet.

Plenty of manufacturers offer scrappage and yes times have changed brexit is on the way and shock to the EU economy too. Dealers aren't having a fabulous time at the moment either

Mike9832

listermint wrote: »

Why would I bet.

Plenty of manufacturers offer scrappage and yes times have changed brexit is on the way and shock to the EU economy too. Dealers aren't having a fabulous time at the moment either

Your right

Bet was stupid thing to say

We will see, hopefully they will do scrappage and Nissan follow with Leaf scrappage etc

slave1

Just a 10kWh increase, disappointing, just as disappointing as the L30 to L40, we should be making greater strides than that, this car was crying for a larger battery, 64 would be just super range

Mike9832

slave1 wrote: »

Just a 10kWh increase, disappointing, just as disappointing as the L30 to L40, we should be making greater strides than that, this car was crying for a larger battery, 64 would be just super range

I wouldn't go that far

It will still do 280km regional roads and 225km on the motorway all year

If it's the same price that's unrivalled

Leaf62 won't do much better at motorway speeds

I am just disappointed it's still 118bhp

That's pathetic, especially as it will be heavier with the bigger battery

150bhp motor from the Kona 39kWh would have been perfect

slave1

I get your point but I'm waiting on a second EV for the household and a 40+ Ioniq would do it, if it was a 64 then range would likely be at the 350km motorway/450km regional/town which is game changer territory.
I38 with 225km motorway just would not get me to Dublin and back on a single charge which is a personal benchmark

Mike9832

slave1 wrote: »

I get your point but I'm waiting on a second EV for the household and a 40+ Ioniq would do it, if it was a 64 then range would likely be at the 350km motorway/450km regional/town which is game changer territory.
I38 with 225km motorway just would not get me to Dublin and back on a single charge which is a personal benchmark

I know it is annoying

Tech is there now

Batteries are at something like €120/kWh

It should only cost 3.5k more to get Ioniq from 28kWh to 60kWh

No

They'll charge us 10k more for the tiny Kona

Gile_na_gile

Mike9832 wrote: »

I know it is annoying

Tech is there now

Batteries are at something like €120/kWh

It should only cost 3.5k more to get Ioniq from 28kWh to 60kWh

No

They'll charge us 10k more for the tiny Kona

I agree, the upgrade path is intentionally constrained to maximise revenue from both EVs and legacy ICEs and hybrids.


If or when we get a 60-70kWH car with sufficient space and adequate range for our tiny island, with good a good charging network and standardisation, AND the ability to swap battery packs in 7 years at a cost of circa €4000 (presuming lowering costs), THEN the car market is as good as dead as that car will run immaculately for 10-20 years with care and there is no imperative to change for minor efficiency upgrades.



It will be like current PC sales, as all our office crap and internet games will work with fast PCs from 2009+. I build my own PCs and do so with less and less frequency as years go on, as there are so few bottlenecks.



Their only saviour will be aggressive styling aiding fashion changes (e.g. current obsession with crossover 'fiestas'...) , autonomous driving tech, and minor upgrades to drivetrain technology (e.g. the bumps in power).

Mike9832

Gile_na_gile wrote: »

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If or when we get a 60-70kWH car with sufficient space and adequate range for our tiny island, with good a good charging network and standardisation, AND the ability to swap battery packs in 7 years at a cost of circa €4000 (presuming lowering costs), THEN the car market is as good as dead as that car will run immaculately for 10-20 years with care and there is no imperative to change for minor efficiency upgrades.



It will be like current PC sales, as all our office crap and internet games will work with fast PCs from 2009+. I build my own PCs and do so with less and less frequency as years go on, as there are so few bottlenecks.



Their only saviour will be aggressive styling aiding fashion changes (e.g. current obsession with crossover 'fiestas'...) , autonomous driving tech, and minor upgrades to drivetrain technology (e.g. the bumps in power).

That's a pretty good analogy

As a gamer I don't know why I didn't think of it :pac:

Everyone can see big auto are being dragged kicking and screaming into EV's, they don't want it and who can blame them

Good times will be over for a lot of them and job losses ( especially in Germany will catastrophic )

liamog

Gile_na_gile wrote: »

If or when we get a 60-70kWH car with sufficient space and adequate range for our tiny island, with good a good charging network and standardisation, AND the ability to swap battery packs in 7 years at a cost of circa €4000 (presuming lowering costs), THEN the car market is as good as dead as that car will run immaculately for 10-20 years with care and there is no imperative to change for minor efficiency upgrades.

The charging network is already standardised, Type 2 for AC charging and CCS for Rapid DC charging. Nissan is the only real holdover with their use of CHAdeMO.

There will be a market for battery servicing, but initial battery degradation projections proved to be overly conservative.
Once of the causes of battery degradation is the no. of charge cycles, a 60kWh car with a 20kWh/100km efficency would cover 300,000km in 1,000 cycles. The average Irish driver would need 17.5 years to get their car to that distance, meaning that an average car will never need a battery replacement, though may require maintenance on some individual cells.

liamog

The battery cells on the new Ioniq will be interesting.

Ioniq 28kWh has 96 cell pairs = 192 cells : 2 * 39Ah = 78Ah : 96 * 3.75V = 360V : 86Ah * 360V = 28.1kWh
Kona 64kWh has 96 cell triplets = 288 cells : 3 * 60Ah = 180Ah : 96 * 3.7V = 355.2V : 180Ah * 355.2V = 63.9kWh
Kona 39.2kWh has 90 cell pairs = 180 cells : 2 * 60Ah = 120Ah : 90 * 3.63V = 327V : 120Ah * 327V = 39.2kWh

If they do use the 60Ah cells from LG, I can't see how they can do it without dropping the pack voltage which will have a negative impact on the charging speed.

Shefwedfan

Ok so what does current Ioniq do at 100km and 120km? what range I mean.....

Everyone trying to get the jump on VW

Dont be at yourself

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Ok so what does current Ioniq do at 100km and 120km? what range I mean.....

Everyone trying to get the jump on VW

Roughly 200km at 100km/h, 170km at 120km/h for me -- your mileage may vary 😉

Shefwedfan

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

Roughly 200km at 100km/h, 170km at 120km/h for me -- your mileage may vary ��

So kWh per 100km is what 12? 14? I know I should be able to do maths but brain is dead

unkel

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So kWh per 100km is what 12? 14? I know I should be able to do maths but brain is dead

At 100km/h about 14kWh/100km

28kWh capacity / (14kWh/100km) = 200km range

Shefwedfan

unkel wrote: »

At 100km/h about 14kWh/100km

28kWh capacity / (14kWh/100km) = 200km range

100km is for old people


120km is all I am interested in :P

unkel

150-190km range at 120km/h depending on the temps

0lddog

Shefwedfan wrote: »

100km is for old people


120km is all I am interested in :P

Poster goes on ignore list

Shefwedfan

0lddog wrote: »

Poster goes on ignore list

The reason why only 120km count in my opinion......



I live around Dublin, a 2XkWh car will be more than plenty for my day to day needs. A Leaf Gen 1 in reality would do in terms of range. So any of these cars is going to work for 99% of people with a standard commute Monday to Friday



The main question on any of these cars is how far can I actually get on a motorway outside of Dublin. So range at 100km is pointless in my opinion.



I hardly going to leave the diesel at home to drive at 100km/h the whole way to Galway or Cork. What is the point in that, ok you save a tenner but waste half your day.....

Shefwedfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I hardly going to leave the diesel at home to drive at 100km/h the whole way to Galway or Cork. What is the point in that, ok you save a tenner but waste half your day.....

Or buy a Rex !

Shefwedfan

Deleted User wrote: »

Or buy a Rex !

BMW have stopped making REX. So now it is more redundant than a self charging Toyota :P

Shefwedfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

BMW have stopped making REX. So now it is more redundant than a self charging Toyota :P

Hardly, the 94 Ah Rex is still more practical than ever until there is a substantial improvement in the public network.

slicedpanman

Pricing out in Germany
[https://pushevs.com/2019/06/09/pricing-announced-for-new-hyundai-ioniq-electric/|ssss]
What do we reckon this will translate to here? No mention of dates

KCross

slicedpanman wrote: »

Pricing out in Germany
[Push EC|https://pushevs.com/2019/06/09/pricing-announced-for-new-hyundai-ioniq-electric/]
What do we reckon this will translate to here? No mention of dates

I'd guess an RRP here of €31500 after grants.

slicedpanman

Thanks KCross
Can't seem to get back to the legacy version of this site, on my phone, to edit that URL
Bah

liamog

I expect the on the road price will be around €33,000.

Mickeroo

A couple of grand more than the 28kwh then?

Mike9832

Mickeroo wrote: »

A couple of grand more than the 28kwh then?

Of course

PaulRyan97

Did they also increase the battery capacity in the PHEV version? Haven't seen anything about it.

Mike9832

PaulRyan97 wrote: »

Did they also increase the battery capacity in the PHEV version? Haven't seen anything about it.

Wondered the same

Probably not, would have surely mentioned it

Gumbo

Has everyone seen the new ioniq.
Well facelift version I mean. Seen pics on FB earlier.

Mickeroo

kceire wrote: »

Has everyone seen the new ioniq.
Well facelift version I mean. Seen pics on FB earlier.

Yeah it was enveiled a few weeks ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1s4OdkjzqI

I like the interior it baffles me why they made the Kona so damn ugly inside ? out isn't great but inside is not nice at all compared to new Ioniq.

They still use gammy grills though.

It's a shame they didn't make their plug in like the i3, big battery and the engine only come on when needed.

I'm not a fan of touchscreens in cars but the larger screen might make it a bit decent to use while driving.

Petetheroadie

Any updates on when this will arrive in Ireland?

slicedpanman

UK prices confirmed here; https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/hyundai-ioniq-uk-pricing-confirmed-updated-model

slicedpanman

UK prices

Trying again using legacy site

Mike9832

slicedpanman wrote: »

UK prices

Trying again using legacy site

Gone up to €33,000?

Almost €10,000 more than people were geting 28kWh Ioniq for a few years ago after scrappage

For 75km more range and slower charging

September1

Mike9832 wrote: »

Gone up to €33,000?

Almost €10,000 more than people were geting 28kWh Ioniq for a few years ago after scrappage

For 75km more range and slower charging

Judging by second hand prices in recent years it makes sense for Hyundai to raise prices. I wish I could see charging curve for new model.