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38kWh Ioniq

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ Mike9832


    Range is nice but 118bhp

    Needed a good power increase


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭ BigAl81


    Ah Jasus, just bought the 28kWh one last week ;)

    I wonder what the upgrade cost on a 191 28kWh for the 201 38kWh would be... Hmmmm??


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭ gunnerfitzy


    Press release from Hyundai here

    https://www.hyundai.news/eu/model-news/new-2019-hyundai-ioniq-hybrid-and-plug-in-maximise-connectivity/

    Describes hybrid and PHEV but one would imagine relevant upgrades will apply to electric also.

    Liking the optional 10.25" infotainment display!

    Considering there will be an emergency call function a built-in sim is going to be installed. So I wonder will we see a fully functioning app for the electric version?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ Mike9832


    BigAl81 wrote: »
    Ah Jasus, just bought the 28kWh one last week ;)

    I wonder what the upgrade cost on a 191 28kWh for the 201 38kWh would be... Hmmmm??

    Don't fret

    For sure it's going to be 5k more expensive and no scrappage


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,657 ✭✭✭✭ listermint


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Don't fret

    For sure it's going to be 5k more expensive and no scrappage

    Why no scrappage


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭ BigAl81


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Don't fret

    For sure it's going to be 5k more expensive and no scrappage

    I'd hope they wouldn't scrap my 191 :eek: :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ Mike9832


    listermint wrote: »
    Why no scrappage

    They won't do scrappage on a new model like this imo

    Like the Kona 64kWh

    I would guess this model will be 33k, Kona 38k

    Slots in nicely


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ Mike9832


    BigAl81 wrote: »
    I'd hope they wouldn't scrap my 191 :eek: :p

    Its not a Leaf 😂


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,657 ✭✭✭✭ listermint


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    They won't do scrappage on a new model like this imo

    Like the Kona 64kWh

    I would guess this model will be 33k, Kona 38k

    Slots in nicely

    They did scrappage on the original ioniq. So that dispels your guess.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ Mike9832


    listermint wrote: »
    They did scrappage on the original ioniq. So that dispels your guess.

    Times have changed

    Wanna bet?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ Mike9832


    listermint wrote: »
    They did scrappage on the original ioniq. So that dispels your guess.

    I hope they do btw and would love if it's priced similar

    Ioniq is the best affordable EV out there

    With this upgrade its a Limerick to Dublin motorway cruiser @ 120

    Will be my poor man's Tesla if if price is 30k or below :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ Mike9832


    Anyone know German?

    https://youtu.be/lqMcFkPsaXI


  • Registered Users Posts: 737 ✭✭✭ Zenith74


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Anyone know German?

    https://youtu.be/lqMcFkPsaXI

    If you turn on subtitles, then go into Settings you can Auto-Translate them to English, works quite well actually!


    I'd be surprised if the new Ioniq went up by €5k, Leaf40 didn't really increase from Leaf30 or Leaf30 from Leaf24. I can see a 50/60kWh Ioniq being that €5k more expensive, but I'd assume the upgrade to 40kWh is just battery tech improvements. Right?


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,657 ✭✭✭✭ listermint


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Times have changed

    Wanna bet?

    Why would I bet.

    Plenty of manufacturers offer scrappage and yes times have changed brexit is on the way and shock to the EU economy too. Dealers aren't having a fabulous time at the moment either


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ Mike9832


    listermint wrote: »
    Why would I bet.

    Plenty of manufacturers offer scrappage and yes times have changed brexit is on the way and shock to the EU economy too. Dealers aren't having a fabulous time at the moment either

    Your right

    Bet was stupid thing to say

    We will see, hopefully they will do scrappage and Nissan follow with Leaf scrappage etc


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,108 Mod ✭✭✭✭ slave1


    Just a 10kWh increase, disappointing, just as disappointing as the L30 to L40, we should be making greater strides than that, this car was crying for a larger battery, 64 would be just super range


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ Mike9832


    slave1 wrote: »
    Just a 10kWh increase, disappointing, just as disappointing as the L30 to L40, we should be making greater strides than that, this car was crying for a larger battery, 64 would be just super range

    I wouldn't go that far

    It will still do 280km regional roads and 225km on the motorway all year

    If it's the same price that's unrivalled

    Leaf62 won't do much better at motorway speeds

    I am just disappointed it's still 118bhp

    That's pathetic, especially as it will be heavier with the bigger battery

    150bhp motor from the Kona 39kWh would have been perfect


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,108 Mod ✭✭✭✭ slave1


    I get your point but I'm waiting on a second EV for the household and a 40+ Ioniq would do it, if it was a 64 then range would likely be at the 350km motorway/450km regional/town which is game changer territory.
    I38 with 225km motorway just would not get me to Dublin and back on a single charge which is a personal benchmark


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ Mike9832


    slave1 wrote: »
    I get your point but I'm waiting on a second EV for the household and a 40+ Ioniq would do it, if it was a 64 then range would likely be at the 350km motorway/450km regional/town which is game changer territory.
    I38 with 225km motorway just would not get me to Dublin and back on a single charge which is a personal benchmark

    I know it is annoying

    Tech is there now

    Batteries are at something like €120/kWh

    It should only cost 3.5k more to get Ioniq from 28kWh to 60kWh

    No

    They'll charge us 10k more for the tiny Kona


  • Registered Users Posts: 364 ✭✭ Gile_na_gile


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    I know it is annoying

    Tech is there now

    Batteries are at something like €120/kWh

    It should only cost 3.5k more to get Ioniq from 28kWh to 60kWh

    No

    They'll charge us 10k more for the tiny Kona


    I agree, the upgrade path is intentionally constrained to maximise revenue from both EVs and legacy ICEs and hybrids.


    If or when we get a 60-70kWH car with sufficient space and adequate range for our tiny island, with good a good charging network and standardisation, AND the ability to swap battery packs in 7 years at a cost of circa €4000 (presuming lowering costs), THEN the car market is as good as dead as that car will run immaculately for 10-20 years with care and there is no imperative to change for minor efficiency upgrades.



    It will be like current PC sales, as all our office crap and internet games will work with fast PCs from 2009+. I build my own PCs and do so with less and less frequency as years go on, as there are so few bottlenecks.



    Their only saviour will be aggressive styling aiding fashion changes (e.g. current obsession with crossover 'fiestas'...) , autonomous driving tech, and minor upgrades to drivetrain technology (e.g. the bumps in power).


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ Mike9832


    .


    If or when we get a 60-70kWH car with sufficient space and adequate range for our tiny island, with good a good charging network and standardisation, AND the ability to swap battery packs in 7 years at a cost of circa €4000 (presuming lowering costs), THEN the car market is as good as dead as that car will run immaculately for 10-20 years with care and there is no imperative to change for minor efficiency upgrades.



    It will be like current PC sales, as all our office crap and internet games will work with fast PCs from 2009+. I build my own PCs and do so with less and less frequency as years go on, as there are so few bottlenecks.



    Their only saviour will be aggressive styling aiding fashion changes (e.g. current obsession with crossover 'fiestas'...) , autonomous driving tech, and minor upgrades to drivetrain technology (e.g. the bumps in power).

    That's a pretty good analogy

    As a gamer I don't know why I didn't think of it :pac:

    Everyone can see big auto are being dragged kicking and screaming into EV's, they don't want it and who can blame them

    Good times will be over for a lot of them and job losses ( especially in Germany will catastrophic )


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 6,109 Mod ✭✭✭✭ liamog


    If or when we get a 60-70kWH car with sufficient space and adequate range for our tiny island, with good a good charging network and standardisation, AND the ability to swap battery packs in 7 years at a cost of circa €4000 (presuming lowering costs), THEN the car market is as good as dead as that car will run immaculately for 10-20 years with care and there is no imperative to change for minor efficiency upgrades.


    The charging network is already standardised, Type 2 for AC charging and CCS for Rapid DC charging. Nissan is the only real holdover with their use of CHAdeMO.

    There will be a market for battery servicing, but initial battery degradation projections proved to be overly conservative.
    Once of the causes of battery degradation is the no. of charge cycles, a 60kWh car with a 20kWh/100km efficency would cover 300,000km in 1,000 cycles. The average Irish driver would need 17.5 years to get their car to that distance, meaning that an average car will never need a battery replacement, though may require maintenance on some individual cells.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 6,109 Mod ✭✭✭✭ liamog


    The battery cells on the new Ioniq will be interesting.

    Ioniq 28kWh has 96 cell pairs = 192 cells : 2 * 39Ah = 78Ah : 96 * 3.75V = 360V : 86Ah * 360V = 28.1kWh
    Kona 64kWh has 96 cell triplets = 288 cells : 3 * 60Ah = 180Ah : 96 * 3.7V = 355.2V : 180Ah * 355.2V = 63.9kWh
    Kona 39.2kWh has 90 cell pairs = 180 cells : 2 * 60Ah = 120Ah : 90 * 3.63V = 327V : 120Ah * 327V = 39.2kWh

    If they do use the 60Ah cells from LG, I can't see how they can do it without dropping the pack voltage which will have a negative impact on the charging speed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,961 ✭✭✭✭ Shefwedfan


    Ok so what does current Ioniq do at 100km and 120km? what range I mean.....

    Everyone trying to get the jump on VW


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,529 ✭✭✭✭ Dont be at yourself


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Ok so what does current Ioniq do at 100km and 120km? what range I mean.....

    Everyone trying to get the jump on VW

    Roughly 200km at 100km/h, 170km at 120km/h for me -- your mileage may vary 😉


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,961 ✭✭✭✭ Shefwedfan


    Roughly 200km at 100km/h, 170km at 120km/h for me -- your mileage may vary ��




    So kWh per 100km is what 12? 14? I know I should be able to do maths but brain is dead


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,915 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    So kWh per 100km is what 12? 14? I know I should be able to do maths but brain is dead

    At 100km/h about 14kWh/100km

    28kWh capacity / (14kWh/100km) = 200km range :)

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,961 ✭✭✭✭ Shefwedfan


    unkel wrote: »
    At 100km/h about 14kWh/100km

    28kWh capacity / (14kWh/100km) = 200km range :)


    100km is for old people


    120km is all I am interested in :P


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,915 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    150-190km range at 120km/h depending on the temps

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭ 0lddog


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    100km is for old people


    120km is all I am interested in :P


    Poster goes on ignore list :D


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