38kWh Ioniq

ELM327

Mickeroo wrote: »

Ah Jaysus, and it took so long to get your name off the owners list in the other thread

It's obviously meant to be

shanemkelly

ELM327 wrote: »

Have to agree.
Been looking at this as a stopgap for a couple of years till the performance model X drop in price,
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-ioniq-ev/22868326

I have the same attitude as you to charging, anything non-ecars :D

Mickeroo wrote: »

Ah Jaysus, and it took so long to get your name off the owners list in the other thread

ELM327 wrote: »

It's obviously meant to be

From Black to White, eh? :D

Black_Knight

ELM327 wrote: »

Have to agree.
Been looking at this as a stopgap for a couple of years till the performance model X drop in price,
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-ioniq-ev/22868326

I have the same attitude as you to charging, anything non-ecars :D

Posted that in the ioniq thread. I've a suspicion that they're trading up with Kearys and trying to get a better price on the trade in through private sale. I've seen Kearys do that before, and back in April a clean 171 silver ioniq was for sale for 22k because the owner was trying to get a few quid more than Kearys were offering for trade in (I didn't buy because the colour wasn't to my liking).
That Ioniq has dropped 1k in price in a week. €22k should get it i'd imagine.

ELM327

Yeah, it is a good deal and less than I sold mine for so I'd be happy to buy on that front.
I'm still playing around with what to do after we close the house sale + purchase, but I think the private networks have put an Ioniq back on my map - unbelievably.

Only a 28kWh one though, wouldnt go near the new one.

Black_Knight

ELM327 wrote: »

Yeah, it is a good deal and less than I sold mine for so I'd be happy to buy on that front.
I'm still playing around with what to do after we close the house sale + purchase, but I think the private networks have put an Ioniq back on my map - unbelievably.

Only a 28kWh one though, wouldnt go near the new one.

38kw Ioniq might help maintain a cost price of €22k on the 28kw Ioniq for another year or so until you change up. Zero depreciation perhaps? 2017 ioniqs are still going for around €23+ in dealerships.

The 38 kWh Ioniq has what extra 30 percent range per charge? Might be the difference between making it suitable without charging for those 200 km a day commuters (even at true motorway speed) that couldn't quite make the I28 work for them. And the liquid cooling should keep the battery degradation down for many years of trouble free long distance commuting.

ELM327

samih wrote: »

The 38 kWh Ioniq has what extra 30 percent range per charge? Might be the difference between making it suitable without charging for those 200 km a day commuters (even at true motorway speed) that couldn't quite make the I28 work for them. And the liquid cooling should keep the battery degradation down for many years of trouble free long distance commuting.

200km a day is not possible all year round in the 38 either. Bjorn only got 160

Black_Knight

ELM327 wrote: »

200km a day is not possible all year round in the 38 either. Bjorn only got 160

Didn't Bjorn drive like a madman in that test? 130-140km/hr for lots of the trip?

ELM327

Black_Knight wrote: »

Didn't Bjorn drive like a madman in that test? 130-140km/hr for lots of the trip?

Drove at motorway speeds. If I'm doing 200km a day on a motorway I'll be doing at least 130 indicated. I did it for a couple of months before, not to be repeated! It's about 4-5 hours driving.

Mike9832

ELM327 wrote: »

Drove at motorway speeds. If I'm doing 200km a day on a motorway I'll be doing at least 130 indicated. I did it for a couple of months before, not to be repeated! It's about 4-5 hours driving.

Yes

That's horrible alright

EV's and highspeed driving are a no no, they are crap at it

You'd need a Kona/Tesla etc to do 130/140km/h for city to city driving in Ireland

Even the Kona might not make Cork - Dublin at 140km/h

Bjorn had a good video once of a Model S 85 cruising on the autobahn at 200km/h ( big diesel cruising speed there )

The autobahn stretch was 40 km which he covered in 12 minutes

Consumption was 52kWh/100km

160km of range from a huge 85kWh pack

A similar ICE car like a 300bhp 3.0 diesel Audi A6 will do 15l/100km @ 200km/h, so 500km+ of range from it's 80l tank

liamog

Not sure if abetterrouteplanner has been updated with the Ioniq 38's charging curve yet.
Going from my home to Cork, planning to arrive with 10%, the Ioniq 28 takes around 3:05 with a stop in Urlingford.
the Ioniq 38 takes 2:56 with a stop in Cashel.

Looks like the car isn't even much faster on my journey to Cork

Saying that, I'd rather stop in Cashel at Ionity, less likely to be a queue.

krissovo

I had similar results with a Cork to Belfast route with the model 3 performance & SR + with only something like 20 minutes difference. The LR had a big impact and was 45 minutes faster.

Mike9832

krissovo wrote: »

I had similar results with a Cork to Belfast route with the model 3 performance & SR + with only something like 20 minutes difference. The LR had a big impact and was 45 minutes faster.

In your dreams?

Mickeroo

Mike9832 wrote: »

In your dreams?

abetterrouteplanner.com

irishgrover

Fyi according to Hyundai Twitter dealers are getting the car on Friday Oct 25th

ELM327

irishgrover wrote: »

Fyi according to Hyundai Twitter dealers are getting the car on Friday Oct 25th

It will probably be one hour delayed due to pathetic DC charging speed



#trolololol

slave1

Interesting UK lease deal

https://www.leasingoptions.co.uk/specialdeal?id=59FE964F-6C6B-4D40-ADFE-5FDA98EC79DB

ELM327

Giving them away already

slave1

Great for the used market in 3yrs time, look how all the Leaf24s flooded the market in early 2017 and all used Leaf prices plummeted, plenty on this forum made good hay while that sun shined

Black_Knight

ELM327 wrote: »

Giving them away already

How does that work? £188 a month for 2 year + an initial payment of £1133. Then after 2 years you either walk away, trade in/up, buy the car outright?

unkel

That's limited to just 8k miles. I'd say in the small print somewhere are atrocious fines for when you exceed this limit.

Black_Knight

unkel wrote: »

That's limited to just 8k miles. I'd say in the small print somewhere are atrocious fines for when you exceed this limit.

Yearh, pretty pathetic. Other options are locked down. Cheap though, if "renting" a car is your thing.

unkel

It's a very good deal if you genuinely do less than 8k miles. That said, the finance cost is still twice the cost of the depreciation that I suffered over 2 years in my Ioniq. So they are hardly "giving them away"

Mickeroo

It's a rental, not finance isn't it? There's no option to ever own the car there that I can see?

yabadabado

unkel wrote: »

That's limited to just 8k miles. I'd say in the small print somewhere are atrocious fines for when you exceed this limit.

Is that 8k over the 2 year period or per year ?

unkel

Those finance deals always have the per year mileage in them. So no, not 4k miles per year!

yabadabado

8k per year is probably manageable for plenty of people,I probably wouldn't do anymore than that .

Silent Running

I see that the 38kWh Ioniq has arrived at dealers.

zoom_cool

Silent Running wrote:

I see that the 38kWh Ioniq has arrived at dealers.

What dealer?

Silent Running

zoom_cool wrote: »

What dealer?

There's a black one in Boland's Waterford. Not registered yet.

Black_Knight

Silent Running wrote: »

There's a black one in Boland's Waterford. Not registered yet.

Must be waiting for it to charge

krissovo

Silent Running wrote: »

I see that the 38kWh Ioniq has arrived at dealers.

Serious question...... Would any Mk1 Ioniq owners “upgrade” to a 38kwh model in its current form?

Is it progress? The Leaf 40 you could argue that rapidgate is a backward step from the 30 but the major facelift alone and increased base range are major positives and give a reason to continue loyalty. Even the 60kw at a unrealistic price point is a step forward.

Black_Knight

krissovo wrote: »

Serious question...... Would any Mk1 Ioniq owners “upgrade” to a 38kwh model in its current form?

Is it progress? The Leaf 40 you could argue that rapidgate is a backward step from the 30 but the major facelift alone and increased base range are major positives and give a reason to continue loyalty. Even the 60kw at a unrealistic price point is a step forward.

Not I anyways. The increased range is pretty poor, and the charging speeds are a big step backwards. The facelift is meh, and the additional tech isn't enough to make up for its other shortcomings.
And All for more money, no thanks.

adunis

Nope,pay extra for a less practical but almost identical car .......
Major own goal.

Silent Running

krissovo wrote: »

Serious question...... Would any Mk1 Ioniq owners “upgrade” to a 38kwh model in its current form?

Is it progress? The Leaf 40 you could argue that rapidgate is a backward step from the 30 but the major facelift alone and increased base range are major positives and give a reason to continue loyalty. Even the 60kw at a unrealistic price point is a step forward.

If I still had the Ioniq, no way would I trade it for the 38kWh. In fact, if I didn't have the need for the big battery for long trips, I would have been happy to stick with the 28kWh Ioniq until the wheels fell off. It's a fantastic car.

jprboy

Silent Running wrote: »

...happy to stick with the 28kWh Ioniq until the wheels fell off. It's a fantastic car.

Yep, that's my plan

Petetheroadie

jprboy wrote: »

Yep, that's my plan

Same

irishgrover

Went into a dealer today to have a very quick look. (No driving). It's better spec'ed than the previous spec. Specifically it seems much more similar to the premium SE....leather seats, Power driver seat, heated steering wheel, etc. Only obvious difference between it and mine was that it did not have ventilated seats. I asked for price....he initially said 28, told him he was probably wrong, went to talk to someone and came back and said maybe 49 before grants, but that had to be confirmed....he will contact me during the week when head office confirm.... Personally cannot think of any reason to spend more than 29 on it

unkel

irishgrover wrote: »

I asked for price....he initially said 28, told him he was probably wrong, went to talk to someone and came back and said maybe 49 before grants, but that had to be confirmed.

The incompetence of the Hyundai dealers and their staff is staggering.

Silent Running wrote: »

I would have been happy to stick with the 28kWh Ioniq until the wheels fell off. It's a fantastic car.

Weirdly I am starting to be a bit inclined that way. I am a BMW (and to a lesser extend Porsche) man. Strange how I ended up with a FWD Korean car. But if I'm honest, Ioniq really is all the family car I need. I have a Porsche sports car but I'm not bothered to drive it anymore much unless I take it for a dedicated drive up the mountains, which I very much enjoy. I came close to buying a Tesla Model S earlier this year. Sweet car, and cool to have, but would it really add value to my daily life and what are the risks with the car being out of warranty? I'm staying on the fence for now. It's not making sense to spend a lot of money for an upgrade that doesn't enhance our life much. Dunno. I guess I'm rambling. My apologies.

unkel

unkel wrote: »

I came close to buying a Tesla Model S earlier this year. Sweet car, and cool to have, but would it really add value to my daily life and what are the risks with the car being out of warranty? I'm staying on the fence for now. It's not making sense to spend a lot of money for an upgrade that doesn't enhance our life much. Dunno. I guess I'm rambling. My apologies.

Just my opinion, but, I was thinking about a 2nd hand model S except that the risks are far too high with no warranty, a failure could cost many thousands to repair and also take months , this would me for me, I would have to rent a car until it was fixed.

The MCU issue is also not something I would want to spend thousands on because Tesla won't fix an issue they are well aware of.

It's an extremely complex car and there is just a very long list of things to go wrong , having all that power would be amazing but not if it ends up breaking costing thousands to repair especially if it costs 40 odd grand to buy.

zoom_cool

This maybe of interest if you can speak German

https://youtu.be/ccKeFhMRNDA

Mickeroo

zoom_cool wrote: »

This maybe of interest if you can speak German

https://youtu.be/ccKeFhMRNDA

Fixed the link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccKeFhMRNDA

unkel

For those not watching it / don't understand German - this was a test to find out the most efficient EV. They did a mixed driving trip of 150km with town driving (50km/h), provincial road (100km/h) and motorway (up to 152km/h)

Ioniq facelift 38kWh - 14.8kWh/100km
Tesla Model 3 SR+ - 15.2kWh/100km

That's with a camera mounted on the roof of Ioniq throughout and not on the Tesla. Why did they do that, it would have a serious impact on consumption figures at those motorway speeds. It looked fairly cold and Tesla had all weather tyres and the Ioniq summer tyres (more efficient). They should both have been on same season tyres. But I suppose the test shows what we already know, these two cars are by far the most efficient EVs in the world.

Interesting little fact. The Ioniq was supplied by Auto Sangl. They sell more Ioniqs than any other Hyundai dealer in the world. Extremely knowledgeable on the car. Their MD did a YT video of the car a few years ago and he knows everything there is to know about the car. I was very impressed. Some comparison with the Irish Hyundai dealers, what?

BigAl81

Pricing up on UK website now. Three trim levels starting at 29.5k sterling.

Possibly around 34k euro on the road here so??

Old diesel

BigAl81 wrote: »

Pricing up on UK website now. Three trim levels starting at 29.5k sterling.

Possibly around 34k euro on the road here so??

Michael Barrable has one up for 31,245.

New model in pics but no mention of it being a 38.

Has to be though given that they have it down as a 201 - 2020 car.

To be honest if that actually is the real price it's not a terrible buy for anyone who never had the 28.

Yes the charging issues etc but an eGolf isnt going to give you a decisive improvement in charging.

And while it needs testing on long journeys - I suspect it beats L40 on a long run as the latters Rapidgate hinders it..

Just looks poor Vs the 28 in charging.

Still not terrible Vs other cars that can be got at similar money new.

Like that eGolf.

unkel

Good post, Old diesel. And this sums it up nicely:

Old diesel wrote: »

it's not a terrible buy for anyone who never had the 28

Right in line with Nyland telling people to buy a second hand "classic Ioniq" instead

BigAl81

Old diesel wrote:

Michael Barrable has one up for 31,245.

Would be a great price if correct. Could hardly be 30k sterling and 31k euro tho?

Mike9832

BigAl81 wrote: »

Would be a great price if correct. Could hardly be 30k sterling and 31k euro tho?

Would be a great price

Charge speed is overblown

With that efficency and battery size it's a long range EV

More range than that bloody VW ID for 30k that everyone is waiting for and Hyundai has a proper warranty

After unkel post seems like

225km motorway
250km mixed
300km regional

Driving is possible

Thats my range sorted 95% of the year, would have to stop and charge for 45-60 mins on Limerick - Dublin return leg

Same range as those 50kWh superminis 208/Corsa for same price

Old diesel

BigAl81 wrote: »

Would be a great price if correct. Could hardly be 30k sterling and 31k euro tho?

It's an odd one for sure.

Needs to be that low to sell though.

If it's 33/34 k then it's too close to 64 kwh Soul - which is a much more usable EV.

eSoul advantages if Ioniq is 34 k......

Superior charging capability.

Great on range with 64 kwh battery.

64 kwh battery helps future resale as car suited to a wider audience.

Downsides .

Styling an acquired taste - Ioniq more widely acceptable to look at.

Ioniq interior looks better if the bright trim finishings are standard offerings.

Boot on eSoul doesn't look the best.

Strong arguement that the eSoul is STILL worth it even with Ioniq at 31 k.

But if that Michael Barrable price is correct - you are still getting a reasonable amount of good EV for the money if you don't need to public charge often.

BigAl81

Having a long think about "upgrading" my current 191 28kWh Ioniq for the 38kWh.

As a nerdy tech person it would pain me to pay more money for worse charging tech in a car three years newer.

However, it would inconvenience me by about 15 minutes twice a year at most on some very long cross country trips. But it would mean me not needing to stop or worry on a170km trip I do about 40 times a year so makes complete sense.

I'd say there's a lot of people in that boat. In a small country, that extra range could mean not stopping at all so who cares how slow charging it is! (I'd care, but not stopping would be super!)

The only thing I can't square away is how the new car is both liquid cooled, and speed limited when charging.

Surely liquid cooling should enable faster charging? It must be a much more densely packed battery to fit it into the car and can't dissipate the heat. Or Hyundai know something about battery degradation they're not telling us!

I've asked the dealer if he'll swap out my 191 for a 201 under my PCP deal for the craic. It's not the way it usually works but we'll see!