Do you think nurses will get their payrise?

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obby1 wrote: »

the Healy-Rae brothers are on close to 100k as a TD, and people round here think nurses are over paid?

That's an irrelevant point. The Healy-Raes were elected to those roles by their constituents (as were all other TD's).

MaryBrosnan

obby1 wrote: »

the Healy-Rae brothers are on close to 100k as a TD, and people round here think nurses are over paid?

I hope it’s 100k combined not each.

obby1

MaryBrosnan wrote: »

I hope it’s 100k combined not each.

each, and excluding expenses

alexmalalex

Martina1991 wrote: »

Weighing in on the topic at hand, I do think nurses should have their pay restored (not a pay rise). Comparing it to some of the other medical professions below, their pay scales are the lowest for the degree and qualifications they require. Each one has opportunities to boost their wages with extra shifts/ on call payment, but for the work that is carried out, payment should be restored in line with the other professions.

Nurse
1. 29,056
2. 31,110
3. 32,171
4. 33,367
5. 34,876
6. 36,383
7. 37,883
8. 39,180
9. 40,480
10. 41,775
11. 43,070
12. 44,343
13. 45,701

Pharmacist
1. 33,491
2. 36,150
3. 37,099
4. 40,054
5. 42,860
6. 45,700
7. 48,551
8. 51,438
9. 54,342
10. 57,300
11. 60,311
12. 63,379
13. 64,611

Occupational Therapist
1. 35,672
2. 37,784
3. 39,522
4. 40,786
5. 41,856
6. 42,965
7. 44,059
8. 45,184
9. 46,301
10. 47,418
11. 48,595
12. 49,833
13. 51,069
14. 52,059

Medical Scientist
1. 32,692
2. 34,051
3. 36,211
4. 37,235
5. 38,208
6. 40,510
7. 41,999
8. 43,503
9. 45,032
10. 46,558
11. 48,089
12. 49,632
13. 51,185
14. 52,756
15. 54,282
16. 55,331

Physio
1. 35,672
2. 37,784
3. 39,522
4. 40,786
5. 41,856
6. 42,965
7. 44,059
8. 45,184
9. 46,301
10. 47,418
11. 48,595
12. 49,833
13. 51,069
14. 52,059

Radiographer
1. 34,242
2. 36,228
3. 37,933
4. 39,025
5. 40,135
6. 41,259
7. 42,352
8. 43,442
9. 44,573
10. 45,678
11. 46,746
12. 47,843
13. 48,976
14. 50,040

If you look at the top end of the scale, there is comparability with the exception of pharmacists... this makes sense

MaryBrosnan

What is the average SuperValu wage?

Zico

Tell me how wrote: »

Nurses are an extremely critical part of our Health Care System but each of those other professions have more responsibility in determining what care path to take for the patient (maybe not pharmacists who to a large degree are operating on Dr's instructions, AFAIK)

Nurses do not have to make critical decisions such as this. They react to a Dr's instructions, again, as I understand it.

I'm not trying to be insulting here, let me give an example of a profession I am more familiar with.
An electrician must train for 4 years. An Engineer must train for 4 years. the Engineer can expect to earn more because they will generally be responsible for design decisions in a way that an electrician will not.

(I know an electrician does not have a degree but they do block release in college in a similar fashion to nurses.)
I know nurses have to perform critical actions which could have life altering implications, but so too must the electrician.

Maybe that's the way forward, let nurses bill for their services the way trades people do.

alexmalalex

MaryBrosnan wrote: »

What is the average SuperValu wage?

Why does it matter?

thomasdylan

alexmalalex wrote: »

Come on Martina, be somewhat reasonable...

How long does it take to wait on the results of a blood test at peak times? Could the patient be referred to GP if they are not having an MI or bleeding from the jugular...

Most people attending A&E are neither accident nor emergency. Nurses could play a role in making quicker assessments and getting throughput

They have similar knowledge to doctors...and an experience nurse probably has better intuitions than a doctor...

I don't think you don't understand what you're talking about. How do you outrule an MI without at least one blood test?

Dia1988

Nurses are not as qualified as other medical professionals.
It's insane to equate nurse qualification to that of O.T's, physios, pharmacists etc!

If you take your logic, should we not have pay parity for nurses aids and First Aiders?

gmisk

Zico wrote: »

I think medical professionals should be very well paid but someone else should pay them.

Who do you suggest?
Public private partnerships tend to end so well....

MaryBrosnan

alexmalalex wrote: »

Why does it matter?

Could be relevant here.

Tell me how

Zico wrote: »

Maybe that's the way forward, let nurses bill for their services the way trades people do.

If you think it would work with them sourcing their own work, providing their own tools, transport and insurance then it might be an option.

Not all electricians are self-employed by the way.

Zico

gmisk wrote: »

Who do you suggest?
Public private partnerships tend to end so well....

Pay as you go like electricians

alexmalalex

thomasdylan wrote: »

I don't think you don't understand what you're talking about. How do you outrule an MI without at least one blood test?

Of course if an MI is suspected a blood test, ECG, and other tests should be conducted...

...but should we waste time on someone with the sniffles

alexmalalex

Dia1988 wrote: »

Nurses are not as qualified as other medical professionals.
It's insane to equate nurse qualification to that of O.T's, physios, pharmacists etc!

If you take your logic, should we not have pay parity for nurses aids and First Aiders?

Says who?

Dia1988

alexmalalex wrote: »

Says who?

Someone I know who is a nurse!

gmisk

Zico wrote: »

Pay as you go like electricians

Rrrrright how would that work?
Honestly.

Nurses get paid for number of hours they work.
You are suggesting they get paid for how many patients are in there care? Would there be different pay for different jobs they undertake?

Electricians imo are not comparable to nurses.

alexmalalex

Dia1988 wrote: »

Someone I know who is a nurse!

Well that provides a strong evidence base for your argument...

Leo and Simon can rest easy tonight....

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gmisk wrote: »

Rrrrright how would that work?
Honestly.

Nurses get paid for number of hours they work.
You are suggesting they get paid for how many patients are in there care? Would there be different pay for different jobs they undertake?

Electricians imo are not comparable to nurses.

They are being obtuse because I used electricians/engineers in a previous post as a comparison to this discussion. Post #662

cute geoge

Do nurses realise this country can not afford their pay demands!!!
A no deal hard brexit could bankrupt this country ,the government have proposed higher property tax on the horizon ,how many more extra ways they can cripple us with tax??

MaryBrosnan

cute geoge wrote: »

Do nurses realise this country can not afford their pay demands!!!
A no deal hard brexit could bankrupt this country ,the government have proposed higher property tax on the horizon ,how many more extra ways they can cripple us with tax??

Brexit won’t happen.

obby1

MaryBrosnan wrote: »

Brexit won’t happen.

its so obvious, no way will they leave.

road_high

Dia1988 wrote: »

Nurses are not as qualified as other medical professionals.
It's insane to equate nurse qualification to that of O.T's, physios, pharmacists etc!

If you take your logic, should we not have pay parity for nurses aids and First Aiders?

I’d have never equated Nursing with those hugely technical professions. I know several people with very poor Leaving Certificates that got through Nursing degrees. There’s no way they’d have been able for Pharmscy or Radiography.

I’m surprised Pharmacist and Radiographer salaries in the PS are so low tbh given what they would have gone through to qualify.

Tell me how

MaryBrosnan wrote: »

Brexit won’t happen.

Please join us on the Brexit discussion thread and let us know why not?

Brexit

We are looking for some clarity over there. Good to see someone knows what is going on.

Dia1988

MaryBrosnan wrote: »

Brexit won’t happen.

Ah give over Mary will ya!

gmisk

Tell me how wrote: »

They are being obtuse because I used electricians/engineers in a previous post as a comparison to this discussion.

Ah OK, it's a big thread must have missed that.

I personally think looking at the average wage nurses are underpaid I would support a pay increase.
I know a few nurses personally who work extremely hard and go above and beyond in Dublin, my mum was one for many years also during the troubles in Belfast, its a really tough job.

road_high

cute geoge wrote: »

Do nurses realise this country can not afford their pay demands!!!
A no deal hard brexit could bankrupt this country ,the government have proposed higher property tax on the horizon ,how many more extra ways they can cripple us with tax??

None because we are at peak tax- as I’ve stated previously that well is close to dry and additional taxes to fund bloated public spending won’t work in another downturn. The only other option will be pay and welfare cuts

Tell me how

gmisk wrote: »

Ah OK, it's a big thread must have missed that.

I personally think looking at the average wage nurses are underpaid I would support a pay increase.
I know a few nurses personally who work extremely hard and go above and beyond in Dublin, my mum was one for many years also during the troubles in Belfast, its a really tough job.

It is but the average (for all nurses in the system) of 57K for a 39 Hr week, guaranteed job and pension seems reasonable.

I would like to see the new entrants get more sooner than so many nursing managerial staff skewing the average.

Dia1988

road_high wrote: »

I’d have never equated Nursing with those hugely technical professions. I know several people with very poor Leaving Certificates that got through Nursing degrees. There’s no way they’d have been able for Pharmscy or Radiography.

I’m surprised Pharmacist and Radiographer salaries in the PS are so low tbh given what they would have gone through to qualify.

Yes, I agree.

A lot of pharmacists work in private sector and not just in pharmacies.
Companies such as Phyzers and Glaxo Smith pay quite lucrative salaries for these professionals.

thomasdylan

alexmalalex wrote: »

Of course if an MI is suspected a blood test, ECG, and other tests should be conducted...

...but should we waste time on someone with the sniffles

Lots of people have atypical chest pain, no one with a pain in their chest is going to be discharged without an ECG, xray or bloods.
How do you know the person with the sniffles hasn't developed a post viral pneumonia without a physical exam and maybe bloods and xray.

It's very easy for someone in your position who I imagine has limits medical experience to say traiage nurses should be discharging patients at triage. The consequences of a mistake are massive. Every nurse and doctor will tell you of people they expected to have a mild illness who had a serious condition which only become evident following investigations.