European Parliament Elections 2019

average_runner

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

I agree with you, I'm mainly voting Independent if there is a decent Independent.

Independents are good for local elections but a disaster for National Elections.
As Independent TD's tend to focus on their local area but that's not their job, their job is to look after national interest, but then they have no real power to do that! Catch 22

Fan of Netflix

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

There's really only one in Dublin, but unfortunately I cannot remember his name.

Ben Gilroy.....:pac:

average_runner

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Define "middle class" and "well off"?

It has a different meaning to most but to me its like this:


Middle Class: Can afford holidays, cars etc without getting loans but would have to stretch to send kids to private school. Not struggling but not swimming in cash.



Well Off: Money is not an an issue, kids going to private school, 3-4 holidays a year etc. No financial worries or struggles.

Fan of Netflix

average_runner wrote: »

Independents are good for local elections but a disaster for National Elections.
As Independent TD's tend to focus on their local area but that's not their job, their job is to look after national interest, but then they have no real power to do that! Catch 22

Maybe but there is a good few Independents who are ministers at the moment, they done pretty well out of it

FreudianSlippers

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

There's really only one in Dublin, but unfortunately I cannot remember his name.

Mark Mullan - that's who I was thinking of.

Chips Lovell

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Tell me how

average_runner wrote: »

But as long as FG/FF are the majority parties in goverment, the small ones can have no influence.

Maybe, but the choice is there, it's just still that the bigger parties still end up close to or in control.

Saying there's no choice because you don't like who the majority vote for is being a bit disingenuous.

average_runner

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Maybe but there is a good few Independents who are ministers at the moment, they done pretty well out of it

"Done pretty well out of it""


For themselves or for the country. Only one I can see that is doing a decent job is Zappone

average_runner

Tell me how wrote: »

Maybe, but the choice is there, it's just still that the bigger parties still end up close to or in control.

Saying there's no choice because you don't like who the majority vote for is being a bit disingenuous.

I am saying there is no choice in terms who can run the country!

Fan of Netflix

average_runner wrote: »

I am saying there is no choice in terms who can run the country!

Varadkar will still be Taoiseach next time. Martin isn't up to the job and the others in FF aren't much improvement.

BonnieSituation

Tell me how wrote: »

Greens are unproven in terms of governing or developing practical policies in terms of industry, the economy and health for example. But, they're raisin d'etre, the environment, is the area in most need of attention in my view so I'm going support any reasonably capable green candidate where I can.

Weren't the Greens in government from 2007 til 2011?

FreudianSlippers

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

I don't agree with the carbon tax at all, and it's overly targeting people less well off when they should be going after corporations.

I agree completely with the carbon tax the way it has been done in Canada.

John Oliver did a good explainer of it last week: https://youtu.be/JDcro7dPqpA?t=936

The rebates going back to people will exceed the increased costs for 70% of households with the most money going to the poorest households.

crossman47

average_runner wrote: »

"Done pretty well out of it""


For themselves or for the country. Only one I can see that is doing a decent job is Zappone

Well she has certainly succeeded in pushing her own agenda but whether thats good for the country is another issue.

FreudianSlippers

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Varadkar will still be Taoiseach next time. Martin isn't up to the job and the others in FF aren't much improvement.

I mean, clearly the European Elections will have no impact on who the Taoiseach is.

FreudianSlippers

average_runner wrote: »

It has a different meaning to most but to me its like this:


Middle Class: Can afford holidays, cars etc without getting loans but would have to stretch to send kids to private school. Not struggling but not swimming in cash.



Well Off: Money is not an an issue, kids going to private school, 3-4 holidays a year etc. No financial worries or struggles.

I'm well off and I have a car, but when possible I use public transport in Dublin. I actually wish we had a better PT network so I could use the car less or ditch it altogether. I get my shopping delivered and, already, if I need to move something big I rent one of those GoCar vans.

Fan of Netflix

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I mean, clearly the European Elections will have no impact on who the Taoiseach is.

It was an off topic response to the other post.

Yurt2

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Varadkar will still be Taoiseach next time. Martin isn't up to the job and the others in FF aren't much improvement.

I wouldn't be so certain; Leo has never had to lead FG into an election yet, his government is stuttering on key issues like housing and health, and his cabinet is full of - quite frankly - unlikeable characters.

If you've ever seen him in real life, he's also not good around people, seems like he'd rather not be there. I don't expect to see him perform well on the stump or in debates.

Loafing Oaf

average_runner wrote: »

I think you find they vote FF and FG mainly.


To be honest there is not that much of choice in Ireland.

Plenty of choice on the left, very little on the right...

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Well off people own cars? Jaysis, we have two we must be rolling in it.

I'll be voting Green, and only Green, in the Euros. Every single one of the other Dublin candidates do nothing for me at all.

is_that_so

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

She hasn't a notion of getting elected.

Based on what?

is_that_so

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

McGuinness, Ming and Carty will get 3 seats I think and the 4th is the one up for grabs.

Smith could get it I think or outside bet maybe Casey.

Casey will not get the transfers.

Yurt2

Lukas Agreeable Ranch wrote: »

Well off people own cars? Jaysis, we have two we must be rolling in it.

I'll be voting Green, and only Green, in the Euros. Every single one of the other Dublin candidates do nothing for me at all.

I've found myself doing that in several European elections now: voting Green #1 and dropping the pen. I usually fill out the full ballot paper in locals and general elections.

average_runner

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I'm well off and I have a car, but when possible I use public transport in Dublin. I actually wish we had a better PT network so I could use the car less or ditch it altogether. I get my shopping delivered and, already, if I need to move something big I rent one of those GoCar vans.

But i didn't say "well off" didn't use PT, just said middle class uses it alot more when its a good option.


I will probably going FG in European and stop there.
Ind, FG, Ind in local and stop there.

is_that_so

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

I would not take much head of polling, only 400 people were polled in that Irish Times poll. The electorate is closer to 1.5 million in MNW. Australian polling last week was totally wrong, it is clearly no longer reliable.

4th seat is up for grabs. I have a feeling Casey might nick it even though he was embarrassing last night.

It won't be far off and is a useful reference for where seats will go. That FG have allowed Walsh to campaign so far east suggests they think she may be in for a second seat. Casey is completely untested in transfers and I think he's absolutely toxic.

average_runner

Yurt! wrote: »

I wouldn't be so certain; Leo has never had to lead FG into an election yet, his government is stuttering on key issues like housing and health, and his cabinet is full of - quite frankly - unlikeable characters.

If you've ever seen him in real life, he's also not good around people, seems like he'd rather not be there. I don't expect to see him perform well on the stump or in debates.

FG are stuttering on key issues that all governments in the past stuttered on. Nothing new there.


Met Leo a few times at running events, seems like a nice guy but does like to keep his distance, but that is just who he is.

Fan of Netflix

is_that_so wrote: »

It won't be far off and is a useful reference for where seats will go. That FG have allowed Walsh to campaign so far east suggests they think she may be in for a second seat. Casey is completely untested in transfers and I think he's absolutely toxic.

Walsh wasn't even in the election debate. I've not seen or heard anyone state they will vote for her apart from Fine Gael politicians bigging her up. Even on here every single comment has been negative about her apart from yourself.

is_that_so

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Walsh wasn't even in the election debate. I've not seen or heard anyone state they will vote for her apart from Fine Gael politicians bigging her up. Even on here every single comment has been negative about her apart from yourself.

Yeah, that's because RTE said one from each party. Wasn't she on a TV3 debate at some point? I've no real opinion of her TBH except that she's got an unbeatable running mate who will probably bring her home.

Moghead

Yurt! wrote: »

I wouldn't be so certain; Leo has never had to lead FG into an election yet, his government is stuttering on key issues like housing and health, and his cabinet is full of - quite frankly - unlikeable characters.

If you've ever seen him in real life, he's also not good around people, seems like he'd rather not be there. I don't expect to see him perform well on the stump or in debates.

I think you could say the same thing about FF being full of unlikeable characters at the moment too. Very few of them come accross well. No one else in the party who could lead them into government at the moment. I do think Martin is more personable than Leo though.

I was reading the questionnaire that The Journal sent out to the MEPs for Ireland South. Most of the ones who replied came accross relatively well, Clune didn't say much and the Identity Ireland lad seems like a complete head-the-ball.

nice_guy80

I hope Walsh doesn't get elected
Hate to see candidates parachuted in like that by parties
Same with Durkan in Dublin

VG31

nice_guy80 wrote: »

I hope Walsh doesn't get elected
Hate to see candidates parachuted in like that by parties
Same with Durkan in Dublin

Maybe he has been "parachuted in", but Durkan has a lot of political experience. Walsh has nothing.