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    #182
    Widdershins
    Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Human Sausage wrote: »
    So your first post here is talking about the "antisemitic menace of the far left" and how you've heard this guy was "possibly a far leftist himself".

    Where did you hear that? Because the evidence that's publicly available clearly shows this guy is far-right.

    Whenever something like this happen, people clamour to blame it on the left or Muslims, or the left for "importing" Muslims. The fact is it's the far-right who are the dyed in the wool antisemites. I won't deny it exists on the left but Christ alive, white supremacy, white nationalism, etc. are all RIGHT-wing ideologies.

    And then your mealy-mouthed condemnation that just has to include the left. Classic whataboutism.

    So yes, I too see why people on AH don't bother with these threads. Because so many here are right-wingers but can't condemn violence from their own side, or only condemn it while cribbing "whatabout the leftists", just as you're doing.

    Don't waste my time with your crocodile tears. If you really cared about the victims you would've just condemned it, instead of using it as an opportunity to bring up the left.

    I've never seen anyone blame terror attacks on the left and only blame Islam if it was a jihadist attack. I've rarely seen leftist antisemitism highlighted. Your last sentence is in keeping with the rest of this grotesque thread. This would hardly be allowed on Boards if it wasn't about Jews.


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    #183
    Widdershins
    Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Human Sausage wrote: »
    If a mosque in the West was attacked, would you immediately jump to assume it has to be right-wingers?

    No, not at all. I would venture to guess a racially motivated attack could come from anyone.


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    #184
    Anthracite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Anthracite


    Widdershins wrote: »
    If he was obviously far right, I wasn't aware. I heard he was anti Trump and blamed Jews for his election.
    I already told you he viewed Trump as insufficiently far right. This is not secret information.


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    #185
    An_Toirpin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 424 ✭✭An_Toirpin


    Human Sausage wrote: »
    Widdershins wrote: »
    I find it weird that the far right are consistently implicated in these discussions while the antisemitic menace of the far left are let off the hook. I've heard the killer was anti-Trump and possibly a far leftist himself.

    So your first post here is talking about the "antisemitic menace of the far left" and how you've heard this guy was "possibly a far leftist himself".

    Where did you hear that? Because the evidence that's publicly available clearly shows this guy is far-right.

    Whenever something like this happen, people clamour to blame it on the left or Muslims, or the left for "importing" Muslims. The fact is it's the far-right who are the dyed in the wool antisemites. I won't deny it exists on the left but Christ alive, white supremacy, white nationalism, etc. are all RIGHT-wing ideologies.
    When you are dealing with the extremist far right or far left you have so many similarities that that the distinction become useless. You need to look at this left -right and liberal-authoritarian. For example there is nothing conservative about right wing skin heads that attack migrants and there is nothing progressive about Stalinism.


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    #186
    Human Sausage
    Closed Accounts Posts: 53 ✭✭Human Sausage


    Widdershins wrote: »
    Your last sentence is in keeping with the rest of this grotesque thread. This would hardly be allowed on Boards if it wasn't about Jews.

    Is any criticism of Israel, no matter how mild or justified, "antisemitism" in your eyes?

    Could you, perhaps, link to some of this "Jew hatred" in the thread?


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    #187
    Widdershins
    Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Human Sausage wrote: »

    Don't waste my time with your crocodile tears. If you really cared about the victims you would've just condemned it, instead of using it as an opportunity to bring up the left.

    What?! I think you must be confusing me with another person.


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    #188
    An_Toirpin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 424 ✭✭An_Toirpin


    Human Sausage wrote: »
    Widdershins wrote: »
    I find it weird that the far right are consistently implicated in these discussions while the antisemitic menace of the far left are let off the hook. I've heard the killer was anti-Trump and possibly a far leftist himself.

    So your first post here is talking about the "antisemitic menace of the far left" and how you've heard this guy was "possibly a far leftist himself".

    Where did you hear that? Because the evidence that's publicly available clearly shows this guy is far-right.

    Whenever something like this happen, people clamour to blame it on the left or Muslims, or the left for "importing" Muslims. The fact is it's the far-right who are the dyed in the wool antisemites. I won't deny it exists on the left but Christ alive, white supremacy, white nationalism, etc. are all RIGHT-wing ideologies.
    When you are dealing with the extremist far right or far left you have so many similarities that that the distinction become useless. You need to look at this left -right and liberal-authoritarian. For example there is nothing conservative about right wing skin heads that attack migrants and there is nothing progressive about Stalinism.


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    #189
    An_Toirpin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 424 ✭✭An_Toirpin


    Human Sausage wrote: »
    Widdershins wrote: »
    I find it weird that the far right are consistently implicated in these discussions while the antisemitic menace of the far left are let off the hook. I've heard the killer was anti-Trump and possibly a far leftist himself.

    So your first post here is talking about the "antisemitic menace of the far left" and how you've heard this guy was "possibly a far leftist himself".

    Where did you hear that? Because the evidence that's publicly available clearly shows this guy is far-right.

    Whenever something like this happen, people clamour to blame it on the left or Muslims, or the left for "importing" Muslims. The fact is it's the far-right who are the dyed in the wool antisemites. I won't deny it exists on the left but Christ alive, white supremacy, white nationalism, etc. are all RIGHT-wing ideologies.
    When you are dealing with the extremist far right or far left you have so many similarities that that the distinction become useless. You need to look at this left -right and liberal-authoritarian. For example there is nothing conservative about right wing skin heads that attack migrants and there is nothing progressive about Stalinism.


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    #190
    Widdershins
    Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Human Sausage wrote: »
    Is any criticism of Israel, no matter how mild or justified, "antisemitism" in your eyes?

    Could you, perhaps, link to some of this "Jew hatred" in the thread?

    This is a thread about the aforementioned 11 dead Jews in America and having pounced on my one single comment highlighting antisemitism also coming from other sources and accused me of agenda pushing and 'using' dead Jews, you are now asking without irony if it's fair toengage in Israel bashing on such a thread.

    You confirm my point and peoples concerns about the climate on Boards.......


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    #191
    Anthracite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Anthracite


    Widdershins wrote: »
    What?! I think you must be confusing me with another person.
    I think you missed/ignored the post where asked you about anti-Semitism on the left that is 'ignored'.


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    #192
    Human Sausage
    Closed Accounts Posts: 53 ✭✭Human Sausage


    Widdershins wrote: »
    This is a thread about the aforementioned 11 dead Jews in America and having pounced on my one single comment highlighting antisemitism also coming from other sources and accused me of agenda pushing and 'using' dead Jews, you are now asking without irony if it's fair toengage in Israel bashing on such a thread.

    You confirm my point and peoples concerns about the climate on Boards.......

    Liar.

    I said "criticism of Israel". My post is right there, publicly visible and yet you lie about what I said; pathetic.

    Still waiting for an example of this "Jew bashing" by the way. One post, that's all I ask.


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    #193
    An_Toirpin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 424 ✭✭An_Toirpin


    Human Sausage wrote: »
    Widdershins wrote: »
    I find it weird that the far right are consistently implicated in these discussions while the antisemitic menace of the far left are let off the hook. I've heard the killer was anti-Trump and possibly a far leftist himself.

    So your first post here is talking about the "antisemitic menace of the far left" and how you've heard this guy was "possibly a far leftist himself".

    Where did you hear that? Because the evidence that's publicly available clearly shows this guy is far-right.

    Whenever something like this happen, people clamour to blame it on the left or Muslims, or the left for "importing" Muslims. The fact is it's the far-right who are the dyed in the wool antisemites. I won't deny it exists on the left but Christ alive, white supremacy, white nationalism, etc. are all RIGHT-wing ideologies.
    When you are dealing with the extremist far right or far left you have so many similarities that that the distinction become useless. You need to look at this left -right and liberal-authoritarian. For example there is nothing conservative about right wing skin heads that attack migrants and there is nothing progressive about Stalinism.


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    #194
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,663 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Widdershins wrote: »
    I've never seen anyone blame terror attacks on the left and only blame Islam if it was a jihadist attack. I've rarely seen leftist antisemitism highlighted. Your last sentence is in keeping with the rest of this grotesque thread. This would hardly be allowed on Boards if it wasn't about Jews.

    Not sure how you can say it never gets highlighted when it was a huge issue all summer for the british labour party


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    #195
    Widdershins
    Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    riffmongous wrote: »
    Not sure how you can say it never gets highlighted when it was a huge issue all summer for the british labour party

    Fir enough. It's not highlighted enough for my liking, personally. That is all still ongoing with the labour party.


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    #196
    Widdershins
    Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    An_Toirpin wrote: »
    When you are dealing with the extremist far right or far left you have so many similarities that that the distinction become useless. You need to look at this left -right and liberal-authoritarian. For example there is nothing conservative about right wing skin heads that attack migrants and there is nothing progressive about Stalinism.

    This.
    This is the horseshoe theory, is that right?


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    #197
    Human Sausage
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    Still waiting for those examples of "Jew bashing", liar.


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    #198
    RandomName2
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    Widdershins wrote: »
    This.
    This is the horseshoe theory, is that right?

    You''re suggesting that national-socialism and international socialism have anything in common. :eek:


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    #199
    Widdershins
    Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Human Sausage wrote: »
    Still waiting for those examples of "Jew bashing", liar.

    You're confusing me with someone else, or a liar yourself, so I'll ignore your (second) insult. I mentioned the Israel bashing on this thread. Is that what you mean?. You prefer to call it ''criticism''. The point is, I was pounced on for one comment about other antisemitism and then told I was using 11 dead people to push an ''agenda'' but none of you can see/admit your Israel comments look agenda driven, on a thread that has nothing to do with Israel/Palestine .


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    #200
    Widdershins
    Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    RandomName2 wrote: »
    You''re suggesting that national-socialism and international socialism have anything in common. :eek:

    Not quite what I think. Extremists look very similar no matter which end of the spectrum they occupy.


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    #201
    Human Sausage
    Closed Accounts Posts: 53 ✭✭Human Sausage


    Widdershins wrote: »
    I'd say fair enough if I had a habit of popping up and pointing out leftist jew hatred on every such thread.

    Your own words, again publicly vieweble. "jew hatred". And since I have to quote it again:
    Human Sausage wrote: »
    Is any criticism of Israel, no matter how mild or justified, "antisemitism" in your eyes?
    Widdershins wrote: »
    you are now asking without irony if it's fair toengage in Israel bashing on such a thread.

    Hardly an insult when it's right there that you lied.
    Is that what you mean?. You prefer to call it ''criticism''.

    Still lying about what I said, I see. Not surprising. Well, I'll indulge you - where is this Israel "bashing"?

    And the people who first brought up Israel were those saying Trump supports Israel.


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    #202
    Widdershins
    Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Human Sausage wrote: »
    Your own words, again publicly vieweble. "jew hatred". And since I have to quote it again:





    Hardly an insult when it's right there that you lied.



    Still lying about what I said, I see. Not surprising. Well, I'll indulge you - where is this Israel "bashing"?

    And the people who first brought up Israel were those saying Trump supports Israel.

    Have you not read this thread?
    Comments like, Israel treats Palestinians like vermin, could be seen as agenda driven on a thread about dead American Jews. But they are accepted while a comment saying there is serious antisemitism also on the left, receives numerous replies about using the dead Jews for an agenda.

    Not sure what your problem is but you're repeating the same nonsense at me so I have to ignore you.


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    #203
    Anthracite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Anthracite


    Widdershins wrote: »
    But they are accepted while a comment saying there is serious antisemitism also on the left, receives numerous replies about using the dead Jews for an agenda.
    Can you give examples of anti-semitism on the left that is 'ignored', as you claimed earlier?

    (obviously I'm not disputing the existence of anti-semitism on the left)


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    #204
    Widdershins
    Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Anthracite wrote: »
    Can you give examples of anti-semitism on the left that is 'ignored', as you claimed earlier?

    (obviously I'm not disputing the existence of anti-semitism on the left)

    Given the atmosphere and replies on the thread so far it hardly looks receptive to suggestions of non right antisemitism. I was about to unfollow the thread when you commented. Just so you know why there will be no replies. Glad you don't dispute it but it was said to be the use of dead people to push an agenda until now!


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    #205
    Human Sausage
    Closed Accounts Posts: 53 ✭✭Human Sausage


    I've read the thread three times. I'm asking you to link to even one example of this "Israel bashing". Just one but you can't even manage that.

    When I quoted you lying about what I said, for a second time, you've now simply resorted to ignoring it. I think it's clear to everyone here exactly what you're doing.


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    #206
    Widdershins
    Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Human Sausage wrote: »
    I've read the thread three times. I'm asking you to link to even one example of this "Israel bashing". Just one but you can't even manage that.

    When I quoted you lying about what I said, for a second time, you've now simply resorted to ignoring it. I think it's clear to everyone here exactly what you're doing.

    Comment #202 as an example
    Why don't you spit out what I'm doing rather than continuously alluding and namecalling.
    It's probably clear what you're doing, although I'm a bit baffled, myself!


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    #207
    Odhinn
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    Widdershins wrote: »
    Your thought (.........) ahead.


    I most certainly will.


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    #208
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,047 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Widdershins wrote: »
    You're confusing me with someone else, or a liar yourself, so I'll ignore your (second) insult. I mentioned the Israel bashing on this thread. Is that what you mean?. You prefer to call it ''criticism''. The point is, I was pounced on for one comment about other antisemitism and then told I was using 11 dead people to push an ''agenda'' but none of you can see/admit your Israel comments look agenda driven, on a thread that has nothing to do with Israel/Palestine .




    Yep, which you are.


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    #209
    BoJack Horseman
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    Twitter thread

    Seems appropriate for the "dog-whistle" weirdos here

    https://twitter.com/yhazony/status/1056699970345164800


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    #210
    Anthracite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Anthracite


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    Twitter thread

    Seems appropriate for the "dog-whistle" weirdos here

    https://twitter.com/yhazony/status/1056699970345164800
    Is it that you don't understand the term 'dog whistle' in this context, or that you think it does not exist?

    There are some examples listed in this Wikipedia article in the US context from both sides of the political divide.


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    #211
    Human Sausage
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    Widdershins wrote: »
    Comment #202 as an example
    Why don't you spit out what I'm doing rather than continuously alluding and namecalling.
    It's probably clear what you're doing, although I'm a bit baffled, myself!

    #202 is your own post. :pac:

    And it's obvious you're trolling, albeit in a very ham-fisted and obvious manner. Why else lie about what someone said in such an egregious way and then not even apologise when it's been pointed out?

    The whole thread you've been desperately baiting people into admitting to saying things they haven't. Then, when that didn't work, you just outright lied about what I said.


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