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Pittsburgh synagogue shooting

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    #332
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,047 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    shady acres wrote: »
    lads none of you have ever been to Israel
    don't believe everything you hear on your msm
    i was there and travelled north, south, east and west for work
    it's the same as every other country




    ....it's colonising areas outside its recognised borders with an apartheid system of governance and extreme brutality. Unless you're from indonesia or china I'm a bit baffled by how you could thing its "the same as every other country".


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    #333
    shady acres
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 163 ✭✭shady acres


    nullzero wrote: »
    It's the same as every other apartheid state that is armed to the teeth and aggressive towards all of its neighbours.

    that is armed to the teeth

    that is true
    for example you could be sitting at a restaurant and a load of guys will turn up with machine guns and sit down and order food
    takes a while to get used to


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    #334
    FatherTed
    Registered Users Posts: 2,684 ✭✭✭FatherTed


    shady acres wrote: »
    lads none of you have ever been to Israel
    don't believe everything you hear on your msm
    i was there and travelled north, south, east and west for work
    it's the same as every other country

    I've been to Israel too, just under 2 years ago and I concur. However I must say i didn't go to Gaza. I went from Tel Aviv to Haifa to Golan Heights to Dead Sea to Jerusalem and back to Tel Aviv. Talking to the average Israeli, like any place some are in favor of their government and some are not particularly the younger more open minded people.

    That being said, I understand why they are armed to the teeth and have checkpoints etc. Their rational is they've been constantly attacked by the PLO, Hamas etc so they are very defensive about that. They say that will stop when the Palestinians stop attacking. However me understanding that they are saying, doesn't mean I agreed with them, I don't.

    Also not saying it doesn't happen but when I was there, I ate out plenty there and never saw IDF come in with restaurants.


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    #335
    bnt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,965 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    Today is the 80th anniversary of Kristallnacht. That was the turning point, in retrospect the beginning of the Holocaust, when Jews in Germany finally switched from (a) thinking about leaving to (b) looking for the exit a.s.a.p. Many went to the USA for safety, so the idea that they might not be safe in the USA is, to put it politely, not on. :mad:

    From out there on the moon, international politics look so petty. You want to grab a politician by the scruff of the neck and drag him a quarter of a million miles out and say, ‘Look at that, you son of a bitch’.

    — Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 Astronaut



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    #336
    Graces7
    Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    shady acres wrote: »
    that is armed to the teeth

    that is true
    for example you could be sitting at a restaurant and a load of guys will turn up with machine guns and sit down and order food
    takes a while to get used to

    Terrifying.

    Until I came to Ireland I had never seen a real gun. I was waiting in the car outside a bank for a friend who had gone in when a patrol of soldiers arrived to cover a cash delivery. One was alll but on the car bonnet and I have never known such sheer terror at the sight of that gun so close.
    Felt panic, like leaving the car and running.. yes I KNOW.

    All the years I was street trading I would see this and never got used to it

    Someone here on boards a few years back showed a collage of airport security staff and I watch some of the customs programmes on youtube

    I would never travel far again. Not that I am able for that anyways. And could not live with guns around


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    #337
    Graces7
    Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    bnt wrote: »
    Today is the 80th anniversary of Kristallnacht. That was the turning point, in retrospect the beginning of the Holocaust, when Jews in Germany finally switched from (a) thinking about leaving to (b) looking for the exit a.s.a.p. Many went to the USA for safety, so the idea that they might not be safe in the USA is, to put it politely, not on. :mad:

    That was so many years ago and a different America. See the issues around refugees now?

    Thank you for the reminder of that atrocity. Will light a candle.


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    #338
    bnt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,965 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    Graces7 wrote: »
    That was so many years ago and a different America. See the issues around refugees now?
    Not all that different. One ship full of Jewish refugees was turned away from Miami port, and returned to Europe where at least a quarter of them were killed. The reason was panic over one Nazi spy who had been caught entering the USA on a previous refugee ship. That was enough to have government officials, up to and including President Roosevelt, suspect all Jewish immigrants of being or harbouring Nazi spies. But to be fair, the Holocaust was so unthinkable that the first reports sounded exaggerated, and it took a long time for the reality to hit home.

    From out there on the moon, international politics look so petty. You want to grab a politician by the scruff of the neck and drag him a quarter of a million miles out and say, ‘Look at that, you son of a bitch’.

    — Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 Astronaut



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