Poppy

Graces7

Danzy wrote: »

The reality is most people here could care less about WW1 or those who fought in it. It isn't an active disregard just something not seen as relevant by most.

The evidence for that is born out in the number of commemorations and the size of the crowds.

It is a niche event, for right or wrong it always will be. The age profiles of people involved suggest in another decade it will be confined to a handful.

The debate about wearing the Poppy is a moot point as to see one person in the last few weeks is unusual.

Is it right or wrong to wear it is not a real debate when most people will never bother.

Shame on them then.

FrancieBrady

Danzy wrote: »

The reality is most people here could care less about WW1 or those who fought in it. It isn't an active disregard just something not seen as relevant by most.

The evidence for that is born out in the number of commemorations and the size of the crowds.

It is a niche event, for right or wrong it always will be. The age profiles of people involved suggest in another decade it will be confined to a handful.

The debate about wearing the Poppy is a moot point as to see one person in the last few weeks is unusual.

Is it right or wrong to wear it is not a real debate when most people will never bother.

I am delighted that in the 100th year that has been no significant uptake in the acceptance of it here.
It will die out over the next hundred as even the British forget about it.

Danzy

Graces7 wrote: »

Shame on them then.

Why, honest question?

Or is it the few who do attend commemorations for it. It's their thing, I don't agree with it or see the point.

Fann Linn

Graces7 wrote: »

Shame on them then.

No Grace, I just don't feel like commemorating Robert Nairac or the UDR.

Mookie Blaylock

2 minutes silence beautifully observed....makes my heart glad

Fann Linn

Corbyn in his bus conductors coat.

corner of hells

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Really? I've been quite amazed by the awakening of the latent Fenian sentiment of the vast majority of the Irish population in the last couple of years.

The affable economist David McWilliams (who is married to a northern Protestant) said recently that his 'inner Provo' was awoken by the behaviour of our bothersome neighbour.

Oh and Irish Republicanism is on the rise in young people according to the polls. No, on the contrary, you pro-empire types are becoming an ever-decreasing oddity.

I'd say lots of things amaze you.

Spook_ie

[Deleted User] wrote: »

First, you can be absolutely sure Erdoğan isn't wearing the British poppy. Given that not even the French wear that British symbol, it would be odd of a defeated country to do so. Second, that red British poppy is the RBL's symbol and they are explicit that it “is worn to commemorate the sacrifices of our Armed Forces and to show support to those still serving today and their loved ones”. In other words, it's fantasy land when people wear the RBL red poppy and make up their own meaning for it, denying what it commemorates: all the British Armed Forces, be they in Wexford in 1798 or Armagh in 1982, or South Africa in 1900 or any of the thugs who fought in the other colonial wars of the British.

Anyway, I'm sure our British nationalists would be very accepting if somebody wore the Nazi Swastika because, for them, it's a personal reminder of the futility of war and nobody has a right to impose a meaning on it? Yes, that's about the stupidity level of denial here about what the British poppy actually commemorates.

Yes just like you imposing a value on the swastika's meaning when it is a symbol from Asian religions, it's all in the context and your context is way off line with remembrance services for the centenary of the 1918 armistice, I'm scarlet for your mother

FrancieBrady

I have to say, I do enjoy the virtue signalling that goes on about this on social media.
I have an English guy I do some business with who is now trying to have a pop at Irish and Scottish objectors to the poppy charade. He went to the trouble of making a post at 11am.
So much for respectful observance.

corner of hells

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I am delighted that in the 100th year that has been no significant uptake in the acceptance of it here.
It will die out over the next hundred as even the British forget about it.

It looks like it's dying out , especially when you see wreaths laid by German and Irish dignitaries .

FrancieBrady

corner of hells wrote: »

It looks like it's dying out , especially when you see wreaths laid by German and Irish dignitaries .

We lay laurel wreaths as a 'state'.

As I have said, I don't have a problem with respectful remembrance by anyone who wants to do it.

The poppy charade has just become a vulgar way to taunt different peoples who threw out their colonial oppressors. The sooner it dies out here the better.

RandomName2

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We lay laurel wreaths as a 'state'.

As I have said, I don't have a problem with respectful remembrance by anyone who wants to do it.

The poppy charade has just become a vulgar way to taunt different peoples who threw out their colonial oppressors. The sooner it dies out here the better.

There is no poppy charade here, in this country. There are just people who want to remember our dead. Even Fuaranach wants to remember our dead, albeit weeping tears of joy while doing so.

FrancieBrady

RandomName2 wrote: »

There is no poppy charade here, in this country. There are just people who want to remember our dead. Even Fuaranach wants to remember our dead, albeit weeping tears of joy while doing so.

You want to specifically remember the dead who went to fight for the British empire in a slaughterfest of criminal proportions. And most of those vulgarly trying to normalise the poppy here want to/and do demean those who died for Irish aims.

That is a shameful charade. No two ways about it.

RandomName2

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You want to specifically remember the dead who went to fight for the British empire in a slaughterfest of criminal proportions. And most of those vulgarly trying to normalise the poppy here want to/and do demean those who died for Irish aims.

That is a shameful charade. No two ways about it.

Look I don't know about your position, but most people with that stance aren't actually against the pointless bloodshed; the criminal irresponsibility of the officers; or the complete disregard for life. Instead they want to voice their objection to the British empire. While that is a fine position to have, absolutely legitimate, I don't think it's particularly appropriate to do it on Remembrance Sunday.

Clearly some of the Republicans here do think it's appropriate because they actively celebrate the deaths of Irish people who died on the Western front, who in their view deserved it for fighting for the British empire. Or how was it that Fuaranach put it?

Deleted User wrote: »

A thug is a thug no matter where they come from.

Ash.J.Williams

Anyone who has an opinion for or against poppies is an idiot

FrancieBrady

RandomName2 wrote: »

Look I don't know about your position, but most people with that stance aren't actually against the pointless bloodshed; the criminal irresponsibility of the officers; or the complete disregard for life. Instead they want to voice their objection to the British empire. While that is a fine position to have, absolutely legitimate, I don't think it's particularly appropriate to do it on Remembrance Sunday.

Clearly some of the Republicans here do think it's appropriate because they actively celebrate the deaths of Irish people who died on the Western front, who in their view deserved it for fighting for the British empire. Or how was it that Fuaranach put it?

It is absolutely appropriate to do it on Remembrance Sunday. What we should be doing, is projecting into the future how many will pointlessly die in pursuit of futile, selfish and greedy imperialism, whosoever partakes in it. Then it might have some worthwhile significance.

Odhinn

markodaly wrote: »

Yet you converse in its tongue and profit from it. Go figure. :P

The BA have their own language and give me money??

Odhinn

RandomName2 wrote: »

Look I don't know about your position, but most people with that stance aren't actually against the pointless bloodshed; the criminal irresponsibility of the officers; or the complete disregard for life. Instead they want to voice their objection to the British empire. While that is a fine position to have, absolutely legitimate, I don't think it's particularly appropriate to do it on Remembrance Sunday.

The objection is to the poppy, as the money goes to ex-british service people.

markodaly

Every year its the same 3 or 4 fools arguing about this topic. Sados tbh.

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

Every year its the same 3 or 4 fools arguing about this topic. Sados tbh.

But here you are...on time, and on thread :rolleyes::rolleyes:

RandomName2

Odhinn wrote: »

The objection is to the poppy, as the money goes to ex-british service people.

What has the poppy to do with Ireland? Virtually nobody here buys or wears one, so you're tilting at windmills in this country about that.

But if you're doing it to be part of the zeitgeist of Junkward Tom's

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Fenian sentiment

Then making it an opportunity to attack an empire which no longer exists makes sense.

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

But here you are...on time, and on thread :rolleyes::rolleyes:

And yet here you are raking up the post count, yet again. Last year you raked up the guts of 1000 posts in one thread alone, here you are again this year making up for it as you were otherwise engaged on the Peter Casey thread.

Don't you have something else to be doing on a Sunday morning Francie, or indeed any morning? Is this the best way to use your time? ..... I guess not.

Anyway, bye.. ill see you next year, ill respond to a post if I actually care enough about the topic :rolleyes:

cursai

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Anyone who has an opinion for or against poppies is an idiot

That's a good point but I haven't formed an opinion on it.

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

And yet here you are raking up the post count, yet again. Last year you raked up the guts of 1000 posts in one thread alone, here you are again this year making up for it as you were otherwise engaged on the Peter Casey thread.

Don't you have something else to be doing on a Sunday morning Francie, or indeed any morning? Is this the best way to use your time? ..... I guess not.

Anyway, bye.. ill see you next year, ill respond to a post if I actually care enough about the topic :rolleyes:

Glad you took the time to search out a thread to pretend you don't care about it there Mark, on this fine Sunday morning. (I am actually out walking the hills of the border atm)

*Will let you know if any permanent pensionable posts as internet policeman come up while you are offline...not caring about stuff.

The Rape of Lucretia

Her Majesty The Queen was sporting four poppies this morning, so I dont think there is any doubt which side of the argument she iz on.
Hiever, and I respect her choice, she only wears it over this weekend, and not for the last few weeks. She has such class.

FrancieBrady

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

She has such class.

What were you expecting from somebody you deferentially call 'her Majesty'?

What an odd thing to call anyone in this day and age.

The Rape of Lucretia

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Her Majesty The Queen was sporting four poppies this morning, so I dont think there is any doubt which side of the argument she iz on.
Hiever, and I respect her choice, she only wears it over this weekend, and not for the last few weeks. She has such class.

I mentioned this in an earlier post. She got criticised for not having one on by a Daily Star tweet before this weekend. The overlong commercialised poppy orgy needs to end.

Danzy

A couple hundred in this State will attend ceremonies today.

Says it all really, this thread will have more arguing about it than will wear poppies, attend a commemoration or protest it.

That is how irrelevant the poppy day and symbol is.

People just don't give a ****.

droidman123

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Her Majesty The Queen was sporting four poppies this morning, so I dont think there is any doubt which side of the argument she iz on.
Hiever, and I respect her choice, she only wears it over this weekend, and not for the last few weeks. She has such class.

Would you really lower yourself to calling someone "your majesty" you really think she is above you and better than you that you would address her,or anyone, in that manner?

Danzy

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Her Majesty The Queen was sporting four poppies this morning, so I dont think there is any doubt which side of the argument she iz on.
Hiever, and I respect her choice, she only wears it over this weekend, and not for the last few weeks. She has such class.

His Majesty The Queen never wore a Poppy up to his death in Nov. 1991.

Anyone seen the biopic, looks great.