Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

Dub Ste

zell12 wrote: »

When does the reality show start?
Cashing with the Cashes
© Zell12

Has anyone asked Lucy Kennedy ???
Kennedy Cashes In ??

Sweet.Science

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

DCC has rent arrears of 50 million so no.

Jesus

jjmcclure

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Do you want the low income earners to pay more tax or just high earners to pay less?

Both actually, everyone receiving income either from work or benefits should pay something. Someone on 18k paying 500 in tax is ridiculous. And workers falling completely outside the tax net is unsustainable.


All citizens should contribute and the burden of scroungers like Mrs Cash should not fall on the shoulders of the very few.

The_Kew_Tour

ELM327 wrote: »

I want everyone to pay a proportion of their income in tax. The same proportion.
That follows the "those who earn more, pay more" principle.

I see your point, you make a decent one.
Problem is if people on min wage get taxed even more even just a little bit they be better off on dole then and that puts more into the SW bracket.

I agree to extend and I don't think higher earners should be taxed as much but Ms Cash needs somebody to pay for her life, sadly it's the workers.

PlaneSpeeking

Dub Ste wrote: »

Has anyone asked Lucy Kennedy ???
Kennedy Cashes In ??

I'd say there's not enough money in the world to get to her do a Livin' with Lucy at Ms Cash's place!

PlaneSpeeking

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I see your point, you make a decent one.
Problem is if people on min wage get taxed even more even just a little bit they be better off on dole then and that puts more into the SW bracket.

I agree to extend and I don't think higher earners should be taxed as much but Ms Cash needs somebody to pay for her life, sadly it's the workers.

If that's the case then welfare rates (non disabled, carer etc) need to come down.

Dannyriver

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I'd really like to know any reason to defend Ms Cash and the purely entitled whining she is displaying.

There's surely none but yet the usual suspects keep digging.

There is a absolutely nothing laudable about screwing the taxpayers out of money you never intend to contribute yourself - how can anyone respect her or support her ? It is baffling.

I'd say it's less about defending Ms cash and more about calling out the Lynch mob mentality who think it's ok to treat a family like they are utter scum/vermin rather than discuss the real issue [which I will admit is being discussed intermittently here] which is number 1] the system that has swathes of people working for far less than their true value [you and me] which causes consternation and anger with no recourse to justice because its an employers world. and Number 2] how to bridge the reality gap between those born into environments where education and work ethic are low on the totem pole and those born into environments where the opposite is true.

The_Kew_Tour

jjmcclure wrote: »

Both actually, everyone receiving income either from work or benefits should pay something. Someone on 18k paying 500 in tax is ridiculous. And workers falling completely outside the tax net is unsustainable.


All citizens should contribute and the burden of scroungers like Mrs Cash should not fall on the shoulders of the very few.

See my post just below your one. I see what you mean but if low income earners all of sudden pay more tax then they be better off on dole.

I see the frustration and context of point but it would not make sense and lead to more looking for the State to pay

jjmcclure

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

See my post just below your one. I see what you mean but if low income earners all of sudden pay more tax then they be better off on dole.

I see the frustration and context of point but it would not make sense and lead to more looking for the State to pay

As others have said the welfare system needs serious reform and a much better mechanism for detecting fraud. There should be no incentive not to work regardless of the taxation system. e.g. a sliding scale of dole payments over a 12 month period linked to your previous PRSI and tax contributions. Say month one 100% of the rate is payable, month 6 60% and month 12 you go to 50% of the rate. Work needs to be incentivised

ELM327

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I see your point, you make a decent one.
Problem is if people on min wage get taxed even more even just a little bit they be better off on dole then and that puts more into the SW bracket.

I agree to extend and I don't think higher earners should be taxed as much but Ms Cash needs somebody to pay for her life, sadly it's the workers.

See that's the first hurdle.
The SW system needs huge reform. We need a "make work pay" initiative, where it's never "worth your while" to go on the dole but it is there as a safety net temporarily when you are between jobs.


Reform the SW system and at the same time equalise ("fair-ise") the rates of taxation.


Or alternatively the nuclear option. Give everyone in the country a social welfare payment. Everyone from the Cashes to the company director. Then tax wages to pay for it. Those who want the better things in life can work, and those who don't can have a basic standard of living. But whatever payments are given to the likes of the cashes should be given to everyone.

Gatling

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

DCC has rent arrears of 50 million so no.

But according to councillors the hardest hit in the recession was the low paid ,
Most didn't lose their jobs ,most still on the same low rent, as they were pre recession

Ste-

Cash in the attic spin-off ?

The_Kew_Tour

jjmcclure wrote: »

As others have said the welfare system needs serious reform and a much better mechanism for detecting fraud. There should be no incentive not to work regardless of the taxation system. e.g. a sliding scale of dole payments over a 12 month period linked to your previous PRSI and tax contributions. Say month one 100% of the rate is payable, month 6 60% and month 12 you go to 50% of the rate. Work needs to be incentivised

Oh I totally agree with you. But I just think taxing low income earners much more won't see a positive outcome, worse I think.

But agree that we need to reward much more for the worker but that should include low income

ayux4rj6zql2ph

Time for me to find a Mrs Prisoner 6753 and start making baby cakes it seems.

I’m only 26 but next to Ms Cash I’m ancient starting out.

I’m sitting here in a hotel on a tour drinking my coffee saying is it really worth my while. The tax on my wages, the tax on my coffee, the tax on everything else I buy goes towards her lifestyle, I picked up the sun paper earlier to be greeted with a disgusting front page, this not my “forever home” crap. I’ve really had enough of it. She’s the talk of the country.

Before someone else says she pays tax on the stuff she buys as well, yes she does, but with my tax and that of every other tax payer used to fund her lavish lifestyle.

Melendez

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PlaneSpeeking

Dannyriver wrote: »

I'd say it's less about defending Ms cash and more about calling out the Lynch mob mentality who think it's ok to treat a family like they are utter scum/vermin rather than discuss the real issue [which I will admit is being discussed intermittently here] which is number 1] the system that has swathes of people working for far less than their true value [you and me] which causes consternation and anger with no recourse to justice because its an employers world. and Number 2] how to bridge the reality gap between those born into environments where education and work ethic are low on the totem pole and those born into environments where the opposite is true.

I'm actually happy with what I earn, I would like to keep some more of it or see something for it but I'm generally okay. It's an alright salary, took me 30 years to get it but fair enough.

I don't think anyone has any hatred for her in particular, more than she is unapologetically scrounging and it is so hard to see when you're trying to earn a coin.

I'm fortunate that the job I do is "seasonal" in a way - when the third level students are back (which they are Monday 27th!) it is bedlam in term time, 4.45am starts, 5.40am trains out and home if lucky at 8.05pm.

But I have job I enjoy and I am good at and makes a differencen. It is just soul destroying to see others not willing to put in that effort to contribute being rewarded handsomely.

ayux4rj6zql2ph

Melendez wrote: »

Say what you like about Ms Cash, but at least she has the intelligence to understand the meaning of temporary emergency accommodation, unlike many posting here.

I’ve only read less than a handful of your posts, but I’m at a loss to understand why you defend her.

Genuinely!

PlaneSpeeking

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

I’ve only read less than a handful of your posts, but I’m at a loss to understand why you defend her.

Genuinely!

I'd make a suggestion but a ban would be forthcoming so I will hold my water!

Good luck finding Mrs P!! If she's a good looking brother with a thing for chunky 48 year olds, does as he's told, knows his way round a vacuum and shuts up when the footy is on - ask him to apply @PlaneSpeeking!!!!

BobMc

I skimmed over may 10/15 pages. its a long thread to read full top to bottom

just a couple points I'm sure mentioned already

I've sympathy for the Kids, they know no better. for Ms Cash, no sympathy.

What kind of moral or country do we live in where its appears acceptable to give birth to 7 kids with no apparent means
to raise them yourself? Am I being too simplistic? Surely the no. 1 reason to have children is to raise and support them
to becoming adults.

Why do a certain cohort have such large families? I've two, my wife wanted a 3rd, we crunched the numbers and couldnt afford it. So that was that 2 it is.

I think a line needs to finally start to be drawn, we cant fund your choices to have multiples of children if you can't house and support them without state aid.

Sick to the teeth of the whole thing countrywide, while I'm out busting my ass doing 60+ hrs a week for **** pay, but I do it because I've kids to feed, support, cloth, educate etc. etc.

Feisar

BobMc wrote: »

I skimmed over may 10/15 pages. its a long thread to read full top to bottom

just a couple points I'm sure mentioned already

I've sympathy for the Kids, they know no better. for Ms Cash, no sympathy.

What kind of moral or country do we live in where its appears acceptable to give birth to 7 kids with no apparent means
to raise them yourself? Am I being too simplistic? Surely the no. 1 reason to have children is to raise and support them
to becoming adults.

Why do a certain cohort have such large families? I've two, my wife wanted a 3rd, we crunched the numbers and couldnt afford it. So that was that 2 it is.

I think a line needs to finally start to be drawn, we cant fund your choices to have multiples of children if you can't house and support them without state aid.

Sick to the teeth of the whole thing countrywide, while I'm out busting my ass doing 60+ hrs a week for **** pay, but I do it because I've kids to feed, support, cloth, educate etc. etc.

I highlighted the most important part, educate because your two are going to have to pay for her seven!

Uncharted

Melendez wrote: »

Say what you like about Ms Cash, but at least she has the intelligence to understand the meaning of temporary emergency accommodation, unlike many posting here.

You are an enabler to her carry on.

Hang your head in shame,it's people with your type of mentality that have helped create this flawed broken system.

Johnny taxpayer foots the bill for societies drop outs,No questions asked???? I don't think so.

Jog on!

PlaneSpeeking

Uncharted wrote: »

You are an enabler to her carry on.

Hang your head in shame,it's people with your type of mentality that have helped create this flawed broken system.

Johnny taxpayer foots the bill for societies drop outs,No questions asked???? I don't think so.

Jog on!

"Intelligence" - is that how dumbed down society has become that knowing how to scrounge and avoid working is "intelligence" ?

I weep for humanity.

Dannyriver

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I'm actually happy with what I earn, I would like to keep some more of it or see something for it but I'm generally okay. It's an alright salary, took me 30 years to get it but fair enough.

I don't think anyone has any hatred for her in particular, more than she is unapologetically scrounging and it is so hard to see when you're trying to earn a coin.

I'm fortunate that the job I do is "seasonal" in a way - when the third level students are back (which they are Monday 27th!) it is bedlam in term time, 4.45am starts, 5.40am trains out and home if lucky at 8.05pm.

But I have job I enjoy and I am good at and makes a differencen. It is just soul destroying to see others not willing to put in that effort to contribute being rewarded handsomely.

I'm deducing you are working in third level and fair play that you are getting paid a decent wage ...how do you feel about having a different contract and earning more than others who are doing the same job

PlaneSpeeking

Dannyriver wrote: »

I'm deducing you are working in third level and fair play that you are getting paid a decent wage ...how do you feel about having a different contract and earning more than others who are doing the same job

I do earn more than others doing the same job, I've been doing it longer.

We all have the same pay scale, I'm just further up as I'm doing it the longest.

padd b1975

downtheroad wrote: »

Listening to other Radio 1 podcats now from yesterday and Miriam was very quick to read out the comments in support of Margaret Cash and her interview. I have only heard her read out one comment that questions the personal responsibility and where is the father etc, and Miriam's response to that was 'moving on'. Disgraceful, biased, one-sided commentary.

I wish it was her ex husband that conducted the interview.
There would be a very different line of questioning.

One eyed Jack

Uncharted wrote: »

You are an enabler to her carry on.

Hang your head in shame,it's people with your type of mentality that have helped create this flawed broken system.

Johnny taxpayer foots the bill for societies drop outs,No questions asked???? I don't think so.

Jog on!

You’re talking like someone who thinks they actually have any say in the matter?

Dannyriver

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I do earn more than others doing the same job, I've been doing it longer.

We all have the same pay scale, I'm just further up as I'm doing it the longest.

You re lucky to be in an institution where contracts negotiated 30 years ago are still being given out...How do you feel about the ones who do the same job without access to the same contract as you...masters students taking tutorials for pittance, PHD candidates doing lecture work for pittance.

Melendez

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na1

end of the road wrote: »

i already donate to her, it's called social wellfare which comes out of part of my tax.

Well that seems just not enough. If you'd pay her enough she wouldn't sleep at Garda Station.

Melendez

Melendez wrote: »

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Well, first... based on the type of posts you've made about Cash and her situation, we're light-years away from common ground.

And secondly, the manner in which you have attacked certain posters here and made silly remarks about the Gardai being interested... Nah. I suspect our common ground is an impossibility, especially since I have little patience with sympathy to Travellers after decades of support, with little to show for it.

I just feel the cowardly people who sneer, jeer and leer at her and her kids from the safety of anonymity are far lower down the food chain as human beings.

Well, I'd suggest that there isn't much leering going on after 7 kids. Still, the sneering and jeering is perfectly warranted considering her actions/choices, and I wholeheartedly support anyone who decides to do those things in her direction.

TBH we need more public disapproval of people like Cash, and those who abuse a system that was designed to help the weakest members of society. I've seen nothing to suggest that Cash deserves any support beyond having kids.