Are short men disadvantaged in the dating world?

lukin

bullpost wrote: »

And theres always :
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/gallery/2009/apr/09/famous-men-stack-heels

There's no way I'd resort to that.

Littlehorny

lukin wrote: »

There's no way I'd resort to that.

You'r right, I seen a video on youtube about one of those companies that make lift shoes and as well as making shoes and runners for their customers they were getting orders in for lift slippers so these guys wouldn't be caught "short" while they hung around the house!

completedit

TBH, why wear such goofy shoes, Air Max do the same job and so do boots, what the **** is Bono wearing.

lukin

When you see powerful celebrities wearing those things it really proves the point that being short is a drawback 'cause they obviously don't think their enormous fame and power compensates for their short stature.

completedit

That's a great observation. TBH, I couldn't imagine being less than 5'8''. I think it's the last acceptable height, and even then....Like I said my cousin is one of the most handsome guys I know and such a geezer too, he must be 5'5'', guy would have legit slayed with my height.

Pyr0

completedit wrote: »

That's a great observation. TBH, I couldn't imagine being less than 5'8''. I think it's the last acceptable height, and even then....Like I said my cousin is one of the most handsome guys I know and such a geezer too, he must be 5'5'', guy would have legit slayed with my height.

Speaking from experience when I say that being shorter than 5'8 isn't bad at all. I've never personally felt that my height has had any negative influence on my relationships with women and I've dated women shorter than me, the same height, slightly taller etc

I don't get what you mean by "the last acceptable height" at all, as if being shorter than that isn't acceptable in womens eyes some how? Or is that your own?

ongarboy

lukin wrote: »

ginandtonicsky wrote: »

You said, and I quote, "a headturner would never choose a shorter guy" and I gave you a direct example of one that did.

Yeah a “short” guy who it turns out isn’t actually that short at all but is in fact average height.

ginandtonicsky wrote: »

Well of course you don't get it, if most people with negative attitudes were that self-aware the attitude wouldn't exist for long or perhaps even come to be in the first place. I've dated a lot, I've met guys who had weird complexes and grudges against women and they don't need to launch into conspiracy theories and data-driven diabribes about their own shortcomings for me to pick up on that. Something is just "off", and these are things that count massively when you're sussing someone out romantically.

You're not shopping for a car and trying to tick a bunch of common-sense boxes, there's a few things you usually will go for that may have drawn your interest(sense of humour, good dresser, ambitious) but for the most part you're driving off of instinct and connection when the face-to-face part is happening and weird vibes will kill that potential right off.

So you have dated and met loads of guys who had weird complexes and grudges against women and you were able to “pick up” on that? Did they actually say that to your face? It was all their fault and nothing to do with you. There wasn’t any chance you imagined they had weird complexes and grudges or perhaps you were both nice people and the relationships ended for no particular reason and it was no fault of either of you.

You are even able to tell that I give off “weird vibes” just by interacting with me on an online forum despite never having met me. I’d give anything to have that level of insight.

Well Lukin, it's very clearly obvious to every one reading this thread and your many numerous posts in it that you have a major hang up about your own height and a resentment of women who seek taller men (ie overlook you, pardon the pun!). No one needs any degree of insight to draw that conclusion. The consistency of your opinions in all your posts in this thread surely seep into the way you think, act and relate to others regarding your height hang up in real life to some extent and work far more to your disadvantage than your actual height ever will. And yes, people will pick up on it without having to be super observant.

If you're only into women smaller than you that have no issue with guys your height then why are you so upset or put out about what other people think or who they have a dating preference for? Unless of course....you do have an issue....

canonball5

I genuinely believe that being shorter is a massive disadvantage, and on the other end, being too tall is also a disadvantage. As someone who is 6'6, not every girl is into tall men. I think 6'1 - 6'2 is the ideal height for most men.

completedit

Yeah man 6'1 to 6'4(with a good frame) is IDEAL.

lukin

Whatever about some women (I must stress "some") being resistant to dating short men, you can see from the reaction to me that they are certainly very resistant to anyone SAYING they are resistant to dating short men.
They are on the defensive straight away if you dare say it and the predictable replies are rolled out: "you have a bad attitude to women”, “you have a hang-up about your height", "you are generalising ". A person on this thread even resorted to making up someone's height to prove me wrong. I can't think of one male Irish celebrity who is in a relationship with a woman taller than him. Michael D Higgins doesn't count as he married his wife donkey's years ago; a female's preference for taller men is a product more of the modern age.
I don't have a hang up about being a short guy but is it possible that some women have a hang-up about it being said they don't like short guys?
Nobody is going to attack a woman if she says "I wouldn't date a short guys, even if he is taller than me". Fine, that's your right, you are not breaking any law.

completedit

A nice guide for you all.

5'6" and under: your life will always be about your height, you're honestly a different animal from normal height males. only like 25% of females will accept your height, and only 10% won't consider is as a flaw. life is a joke at this point. Under 5'4" you'll be one of the shortest dudes you know and you'll met when you go out, and more than half of the females will be taller than you. At a party, given the heels that females wear, good luck at finding a living organism that doesn't mog you, sports are not suited for you, even clothes and shoes are not etc, but for the mating game, under 5'6" is basically all the same unless you have a condition

5'7"-5'8": big flaw, probably more than half of the female population won't consider a dude at your height. any quality that you have will be viewed as "he is shoooort, but he has quality x quality y quality z" or worse "he has quality x quality y quality z, but he is short, so **** him". only like 25% of females won't care about your flaw (even if they still know that they'llhave to justify it to their friends, their male friends will probably make fun of you when you aren't there etc) or think that "he's not that short".

5'9"-10": your height is a slight flaw, only a small, but still relevant, percentage of females will reject you for your height, and more than half of the females won't consider you less than if you was like 5'11". this is an height where you can easily use shoe lifts and there's a chance you'll be called tall. (frfr, I'm almost 5'10" and I swear that only one time in my life I've been called tall my females and they were both sub 5'4", I went out with lifts [at parties, pubs etc.] multiple times and more than once I've been called tall. I can only imagine the confidence boost if you've been tall your whole life and you aren't ugly or autistic. There's a slim chance that you could AMOG someone.

5'11"-6": your height is certainly more a quality than a flaw, only some 5'9" and taller will reject your height

6'1"-2": your height is a big quality and an importan part of your life, only 1% of females won't accept your height, and almost every girl will consider it a big quality.

6'3": God height. Every girl will be turned on by your height, you shouldn't look weird, you shouldn't be so tall that you can't find clothes for you or fit in stuff, you will absolutely mog 90% of the male population (meaning that you are CLEARLY taller than 90% of males), you can go out with absolutely flat shoes or in tall populated places without having to worry to not look tall. At this point if you aren't in the last 1/5 in terms of looks/status, you shouldn't have many problems.

6'4" and more: at this point it's all about if you aren't too slim and you don't look or sound or walk weird, I know a guy who was 6'3" at 12-13 years old and is 6'7" now and he has the typical pretty boy face, doesn't have anything weird as most extremely tall guys etc. The taller the better, unless you have the typical flaws of guys who are extremely tall. Not to mention that many girls have a freakishly tall fetish. Not to mention that at this height you have a GREAT possibility to do great/have a career in sports.

completedit

completedit wrote: »

A nice guide for you all.

Devastating.

I wish protein consumption in childhood was as low as in the past so the average male height was lower.

lukin

completedit wrote: »

A nice guide for you all.

That article is a gross exaggeration and whoever wrote it was obviously taking the p***.
"5'6" and under: your life will always be about your height, you're honestly a different animal from normal height males. only like 25% of females will accept your height, and only 10% won't consider is as a flaw. life is a joke at this point. Under 5'4" you'll be one of the shortest dudes you know and you'll met when you go out, and more than half of the females will be taller than you."

I am 5'6 and to say only 25% of females will accept that height is bull. It's low but more like 50%.
"when you go out, more than half of the females will be taller than you"
Again, bull. I was at the cinema the other night with a few friends and there were two girls there that I was well over.

Being below average height puts you at a disadvantage, no question, but a little perspective is needed too.

Wibbs

completedit wrote: »

A nice guide for you all.

It's a load of me bollocks as a "guide". For a start it's clearly an American take, or someone who hoovers up some of that American culture dating stuff, especially the PUA nonsense. I have personally found anyone referring to women as "females" and using terms like "AMOG*" usually have their heads squarely rooted in their lower digestive tract.

*Alpha Male Other Guy for those wondering. Yeah. Exactly. Alpha/Beta/Gamma/whatever other Greek letters they've discovered on wikipedia is another sign that the bullshite train has left the station and you're on it.

OK, so a guy is short. Or thinks he is. There's nothing he can do about it. Deal with it. Work on what you do have. Don't go around looking for reinforcements that further encourage an unhealthy worldview. Like I said earlier, of the guys I know who were never with the company of women and wouldn't be single for long if they chose not to be, a good chunk of them were under 5'7". Actually if I were to look at all the guys I've known and match their success in the dating/relationships game with their height, if anything the guys at or under 5'7" would be the more successful on average. If all I knew of the world was through personal experience I'd figure being average or below average height was an advantage.

TerrorFirmer

That reads like a troll campaign rustled up on 4Chan, i.e is either clever wind-up bait, or the ramblings of a mind absolutely crippled with extreme insecurity.

jon1981

Ah the lottery genetics...it's not merit based...just get on with it is what I say! Coming from a 5ft 7 "short arse" who actually never felt like a short arse...wonder why this was so?

canonball5

lukin wrote: »

That article is a gross exaggeration and whoever wrote it was obviously taking the p***.
"5'6" and under: your life will always be about your height, you're honestly a different animal from normal height males. only like 25% of females will accept your height, and only 10% won't consider is as a flaw. life is a joke at this point. Under 5'4" you'll be one of the shortest dudes you know and you'll met when you go out, and more than half of the females will be taller than you."

I am 5'6 and to say only 25% of females will accept that height is bull. It's low but more like 50%.
"when you go out, more than half of the females will be taller than you"
Again, bull. I was at the cinema the other night with a few friends and there were two girls there that I was well over.

Being below average height puts you at a disadvantage, no question, but a little perspective is needed too.

I was at the cinema the other night with a few friends and there were two girls there that I was well over.

I was at the Ireland match on Saturday and the only person taller than me was Devon Toner!

Feisar

I wouldn't say short is a disadvantage however height is an advantage if that makes any sense!

I'm just shy of 6'3'' and always found height to be an advantage, I lived in Holland for a year where men average at 6 foot and found pulling for the want of a more eloquent word didn't come as easily.

completedit

No idea what u look like m8 but height means you fit a preference a lot more easily. It's a major selling point right off the bat. A definite advantage. Women ADORE tall men like yourself and DISLIKE shorter guys so good look to you(and them)

completedit

I should reiterate btw, I actually have no hangups about height. I'm more concerned by face but what I'm finding more and more that unless your face is top tier, girls couldn't give af. HEIGHT is the great equaliser. Just be big and tall.

ginandtonicsky

I love a good face. Dated a guy recently with incredible light blue eyes, great teeth and a perfect nose. Very Irish looking, fair skinned and no Brad Pitt, nowhere near 6 foot, he was intensely attractive to me.

Completedit, you’re going to have to climb down from you ivory tower of doom at some stage. Or not, you could just stay there and stew in misery and resentment. Sounds like fun.

completedit

I try to but I'm constantly brought crashing down to earth. Tom Brady is a great example btw


Looks like he's never touched a weight in his life, my physique is 10 times better than his but I have a small tiny skeleton. I could workout for 1 million years and never have the appeal he has. Just be big and tall. We can see this at home with rugby guys, high bodyfats, love pints, but they have big masculine frames.

It's not fun, believe me. I thought it was just that I was stand-offish but I tried to be more social and realised I was still invisible. I wish I had height and charisma.

spurious

Be one metre or two metres tall, just be confident and at ease with yourself. It will be the low self esteem beats the partners off, not the height.

completedit

This was done using the most common two-word descriptions of male body parts in romance novels.

Women reject shorter smaller guys subconsciously. It all makes sense. They don't have any malice in doing, even if the guy is decent looking, they don't understand why they're rejecting you, they just do.

Frunchy

This is a good summary

completedit

Kind of legit. At the end of the day, height is actually the one thing girls MENTION when they are talking about liking a guy. Like they make no bones about it. That's just reality. Do short guys get girls? Maybe but the dynamic is different imo, especially as you get older. A tall big man will always have appeal, looks fade, height and masculinity doesn't.

TheAnalyst_

Tom Brady is incredibly handsome not to mention extremely rich and one of the greats in his sport.

completedit

Yeah but it shows, good looks is something you have or haven't, no amount of diet, exercise, or whatever else is gonna make a difference. You've either got it or you don't.

Tuco88

I feel like I should get a medal or something after reading all this I must be rare as heck... Well all I can say is thanks OP you put a smile on my face cheers

At 5,8/5,9 I never seen myself as tall or short just in the middle, no loss or gain so it never bothers me why should it? In the early 30s and I have never been to the gym in my life to work out lol, I am around 11st ball park so I am not over weight now. Never seen myself as a Tom Cruise, clearly a far out cousin now tho ha ha.

Maybe change your look/style try growing a beard. Whats the worst that can happen you'll get a big confidence boost, everybody has a "look". You are using height as a real cheap excuse for something else IMO. You look to have it as if its a deal breaker, give yourself a fighting chance girls are not that shallow.

Look fact is fact, Its obvious having height is a extra. Id what more than just Height jaysus...

Less self thinking when out brother, more I couldn't give a feck... : )

completedit

Tuco88 wrote: »

I feel like I should get a medal or something after reading all this I must be rare as heck... Well all I can say is thanks OP you put a smile on my face cheers



At 5,8/5,9 I never seen myself as tall or short just in the middle, no loss or gain so it never bothers me. In the early 30s and I have never been to the gym in my life to work out lol, I am around 11st I think so I am not in poor shape naturally.

It's a lions den out there bro, how have you avoided the gym!
I go 6 days a week and feel like I'm drowning out there. It's very competitive world, girls expect all guys to be in good shape, being some skinny fat 11 stone dweeb isn't gonna cut it. Maybe you go for girls who aren't that looks focused which is fair enough.