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Shooting at Bray Boxing Club, 1 killed, 2 seriously injured...

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    #572
    juno10353
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    Rows Grower wrote:
    You can't blame the Council for what happened, not by any stretch of the imagination.

    The council owns the facility and it was an amateur facility for community. As such the council was and is responsible for ensuring that the premises are run efficiently and safely. Once the club became Pete Taylor's personal fiefdom, when he said he would train who he liked, the council had a duty to intervene on behalf of the Wicklow people.


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    #573
    Rows Grower
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    juno10353 wrote: »
    The council owns the facility and it was an amateur facility for community. As such the council was and is responsible for ensuring that the premises are run efficiently and safely. Once the club became Pete Taylor's personal fiefdom, when he said he would train who he liked, the council had a duty to intervene on behalf of the Wicklow people.


    Sorry, but I think you are mistaken.

    I'm not getting into a debate, I have to be up early for fishing.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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    #574
    brooke 2
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    juno10353 wrote: »
    The council owns the facility and it was an amateur facility for community. As such the council was and is responsible for ensuring that the premises are run efficiently and safely. Once the club became Pete Taylor's personal fiefdom, when he said he would train who he liked, the council had a duty to intervene on behalf of the Wicklow people.

    That is how I would see it also. If I had a child or any family member attending that boxing club, I would be furious at the inaction of the Council to ensure
    their safety!! Allowing Pete Taylor to train 'whom he liked', when those individuals were associated with known criminals who had already been involved in a shooting incident at the Regency some time previously, was seriously negligent, I believe.


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    #575
    Strazdas
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    juno10353 wrote: »
    The council owns the facility and it was an amateur facility for community. As such the council was and is responsible for ensuring that the premises are run efficiently and safely. Once the club became Pete Taylor's personal fiefdom, when he said he would train who he liked, the council had a duty to intervene on behalf of the Wicklow people.

    One would assume his days there are over. If he is a target for criminals, there is no way they will let the place reopen and allow him to be on the premises : he'll have to find somewhere else.


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    #576
    Suckit
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    Strazdas wrote: »
    One would assume his days there are over. If he is a target for criminals, there is no way they will let the place reopen and allow him to be on the premises : he'll have to find somewhere else.

    If he finds somewhere else, you can only imagine the amount of eyes that will be on it.
    The money might come from an anonymous backer. Most wouldn't want to risk training in it. It would probably end up becoming a Kinahan members club.


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    #577
    runrun2
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    brooke 2 wrote: »
    That is how I would see it also. If I had a child or any family member attending that boxing club, I would be furious at the inaction of the Council to ensure
    their safety!! Allowing Pete Taylor to train 'whom he liked', when those individuals were associated with known criminals who had already been involved in a shooting incident at the Regency some time previously, was seriously negligent, I believe.


    I think that would've been difficult to do without some backup from the force.

    Despite Pete saying this, I'd say a lot of the community would've been behind him because of his coaching history as well.

    I don't really think that anyone could have imagined that someone with Pete Taylor's public profile and some locals would be shot, it was massive news really.


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    #578
    juno10353
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    It will be interesting to hear what was found on premises and in safe when it was searched by detectives after shootings.


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    #579
    deco nate
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    capefear wrote: »
    I don’t know if this was posted already, but it seems the gym is no more.

    http://www.the42.ie/bray-boxing-club-4068710-Jun2018/?utm_source=shortlink

    They have a duty of upkeep, at the moment....
    No one knows if they can take the lease off him.
    Depends on the small print in the contract tbh


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    #580
    deco nate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,340 ✭✭✭deco nate


    juno10353 wrote: »
    The council owns the facility and it was an amateur facility for community. As such the council was and is responsible for ensuring that the premises are run efficiently and safely. Once the club became Pete Taylor's personal fiefdom, when he said he would train who he liked, the council had a duty to intervene on behalf of the Wicklow people.
    It was on lease, stop with the bs.
    If you were a landlord, are you held accountable for whatever your tenants do?!
    Feck off


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    #581
    Gadgetman496
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    Pete Taylor given around-the-clock protection after being discharged from hospital yesterday. He was flanked by two plain clothes officers as he enjoyed lunch in a local bar in Bray.

    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/pete-taylor-given-around-clock-14782001

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



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    #582
    josip
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    First time I've seen a connection reported between the 2 deaths in Bray.


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    #583
    Suckit
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    I hope he is giving the Gardaí some information in return for that protection and after an innocent man (or two) has died.


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    #584
    tomofson
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    Any particular reason why wayne kennedy's house was targeted as part of this "local dispute"?


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    #585
    Rows Grower
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    brooke 2 wrote: »
    That is how I would see it also. If I had a child or any family member attending that boxing club, I would be furious at the inaction of the Council to ensure
    their safety!! Allowing Pete Taylor to train 'whom he liked', when those individuals were associated with known criminals who had already been involved in a shooting incident at the Regency some time previously, was seriously negligent, I believe.

    In this hypothetical situation the only person who would of been seriously negligent would be yourself, as you would have been the only person with safety concerns and yet still allowed your child or family member attend the facility. There is such a thing as parental responsibility as well as personal responsibility.

    How could the council be deemed negligent? How could they have foreseen what happened?

    Do you seriously think for one minute that someone from the council would have the authority to approach someone (who has a legally binding contract in place with them) and tell them the agreement is null and void with immediate effect because they are training someone who is associated with a certain gym/stable of boxers and that could mean other gym users will be in danger of losing their life?

    A small bit of cop on now please in all fairness.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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    #586
    sabat
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    Rows Grower wrote: »

    Do you seriously think for one minute that someone from the council would have the authority to approach someone (who has a legally binding contract in place with them) and tell them the agreement is null and void with immediate effect because they are training someone who is associated with a certain gym/stable of boxers and that could mean other gym users will be in danger of losing their life?

    A small bit of cop on now please in all fairness.

    It is legally possible to terminate a commercial lease on grounds like these.


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    #587
    Rows Grower
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    sabat wrote: »
    It is legally possible to terminate a commercial lease on grounds like these.

    I'm not a lawyer, but if I was a boxer training in the gym and told I no longer could because Bray County Council decided they did not like who I or my trainer associated with (after picking myself up from the ground from laughing) I would consult one.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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    #588
    billybonkers
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    sabat wrote: »
    It is legally possible to terminate a commercial lease on grounds like these.

    I would imagine they will come up with a reason to terminate it


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    #589
    Rows Grower
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    billybonkers wrote: »
    I would imagine they will come up with a reason to terminate it

    They will now, but prior to the murder they hadn't a leg to stand on.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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    #590
    Donald Trump
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    Rows Grower wrote: »
    I'm not a lawyer, but if I was a boxer training in the gym and told I no longer could because Bray County Council decided they did not like who I or my trainer associated with (after picking myself up from the ground from laughing) I would consult one.




    I think that you would be wasting your money on a solicitor.


    Money and permissions might have been given for that building under specific uses under specific conditions.


    Being used for other uses might have contravened those conditions. And a blind eye might have been turned when everything was rosy but now the people responsible can't plausibly deny they are aware.


    Has they gym been closed permanently? I just saw reports that they took back the keys. I am sure that they could open it again.


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    #591
    Rows Grower
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    Donald Trump wrote: »
    I think that you would be wasting your money on a solicitor.


    Money and permissions might have been given for that building under specific uses under specific conditions.


    Being used for other uses might have contravened those conditions. And a blind eye might have been turned when everything was rosy but now the people responsible can't plausibly deny they are aware.


    Has they gym been closed permanently? I just saw reports that they took back the keys. I am sure that they could open it again.

    You're missing the gist of the discussion here I think Donald, we are talking about what Bray Council could/should have done before the incident as some people think they (Bray Council) are at fault for not foreseeing and preventing the incident.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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    #592
    jobless
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    dunno if anyone got the whatsapp message with a video claiming the real reason for shooting.... looks like bs to me and fairly bad form to be sharing


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    #593
    Donald Trump
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    Rows Grower wrote: »
    You're missing the gist of the discussion here I think Donald, we are talking about what Bray Council could/should have done before the incident as some people think they (Bray Council) are at fault for not foreseeing and preventing the incident.




    Sorry. I misunderstood. I had thought people were saying the council couldn't retake possession *now*




    If it's before the incident, then there is probably no reasonably realistic basis for them to take the building. Technically maybe they could have complained if the premises was being used for personal gain/purposes but it would be very difficult to prove that. So I don't think it is reasonable to put blame on them


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    #594
    RacoonQueen
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    jobless wrote: »
    dunno if anyone got the whatsapp message with a video claiming the real reason for shooting.... looks like bs to me and fairly bad form to be sharing


    Are you going to tell us what it contained? Or?


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    #595
    allthedoyles
    Registered Users Posts: 6,893 ✭✭✭allthedoyles


    Cash, mobile phones and computers have been seized during searches of six properties in Bray, Co Wicklow.

    The investigation, by the Criminal Assets Bureau, relates to an organised crime gang based in the Wicklow area.

    Two residential premises, two business premises and two professional premises - an accountants and a solicitors - were searched.

    Approximately €7,500 in cash was seized along with evidence relating to the use of virtual currencies.

    A number of mobile phones, laptops, computers and other electronic devices were also recovered

    https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2018/0615/970730-cab-searches-bray/


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    #596
    jobless
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    RacoonQueen wrote: »
    Are you going to tell us what it contained? Or?

    claimed he was pushing his weight around as a debt collector


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    #597
    Rows Grower
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    According to today's Independent newspaper Pete is planning to leave the country within the next few days after listening to Garda advice.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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    #598
    Joeseph Balls
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    Rows Grower wrote: »
    According to today's Independent newspaper Pete is planning to leave the country within the next few days after listening to Garda advice.

    Off to Marbella I wonder


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    #599
    allthedoyles
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    it is believed he is planning to leave for an undisclosed European country in the coming days, after he was given detailed "personal security advice" by garda

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/pete-taylor-set-to-leave-country-after-fatal-shooting-at-his-gym-37012719.html


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    Gadgetman496
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    Joeseph Balls wrote: »
    Off to Marbella I wonder

    At least Quinn won't be a threat to him!

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



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    #601
    2forjoy
    Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭2forjoy


    Gadgetman496 wrote: »
    Joeseph Balls wrote: »
    Off to Marbella I wonder

    At least Quinn won't be a threat to him!
    Isn't Quinn on the same side anyway. But of course he could double cross .
    At the end of the day they are all chips off the same block.


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