Buildy-uppy thread: Ire vs Scot

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

It could open up if Scotland are aiming for the bonus point

Takes two to open a game up. We're definitely not going to be playing for a bonus, we'll be playing to win.

aloooof

An open game is probably not what Ireland want tho, no?

Buer

George Mushy Saga wrote: »

They just beat England for the first time in a decade, those two guys you mention have no match fitness, so they shouldn't really have been brought in imo.

I thought they'd play Grey or he'd feautre in some capacity. He started last weekend and played 80 minutes and had played 80 minutes three times after Christmas before picking up his current knock.

Hardie is someone that could certainly have done something for them from the bench but I suspect his indiscretion will see him held out of the 23 for this entire tournament regardless of availability. His match fitness should be pretty good given he wasn't injured and played a few matches in February since his return.

Buer

aloooof wrote: »

An open game is probably not what Ireland want tho, no?

I wouldn't have thought so. Putting the ball into space and high risk rugby is giving a sucker an even break, as Brent Pope says. That's how Scotland like the game to be. Open, quick tempo and lots of ball in hand.

Own possession and grind down the Scottish pack is the way to go for me. Ugly and effective. But we need to be rabid at the breakdown to ensure we protect our ball. Scotland can lose shape very easily if we get to go through multiple phases up front as is our style.

The Scottish pack don't have the legs that the Welsh pack did. There's no reason we can't strangle them and then pick them off. Importantly, we have a proper bench available for our forwards that can do real damage. The Scottish bench is very run of the mill.

prawnsambo

Buer wrote: »

I wouldn't have thought so. Putting the ball into space and high risk rugby is giving a sucker an even break, as Brent Pope says. That's how Scotland like the game to be. Open, quick tempo and lots of ball in hand.

Own possession and grind down the Scottish pack is the way to go for me. Ugly and effective. But we need to be rabid at the breakdown to ensure we protect our ball. Scotland can lose shape very easily if we get to go through multiple phases up front as is our style.

The Scottish pack don't have the legs that the Welsh pack did. There's no reason we can't strangle them and then pick them off. Importantly, we have a proper bench available for our forwards that can do real damage. The Scottish bench is very run of the mill.

Yeah, that's the thing that did for England. They didn't compete at the breakdown and gave the Scottish half-backs an armchair ride which they duly took full advantage of. Wee Greig and Finn Russell (no more than anyone) don't like getting dirty ball on the back foot.

ionadnapóca

PTH2009 wrote: »

Hope you didn't jinx things now and Scotland end up giving Joe his first 6N home loss this weekend

i can see Ireland dominating possession again and scoring enough tries that there is a good chance of a BP win. Shaky defense and all.

Scenario 1:
Ireland 20 Scotland 13. 68 mins gone. Penalty to Ireland ().
3 tries v 2 tries. Sexton 1 from 4
Do you A) Kick to the corner Or Take the penalty kick at goal

Scenario 2:
Ireland 20 Scotland 13. 75 mins gone. Penalty to Ireland (On 15m line RHS, half way between 10m & 22).
3 tries v 2 tries. Murray on kicking.
Do you A) Kick to the corner Or Take the penalty kick at goal

Based on our leaky defence to date I chose
Would be interested to know how many would go for A) with possibility of winning the Championship with 4T BP win.

aloooof

Wayne Barnes can be particular at the breakdown which may help give Scotland the quick ball they'll be looking for.

I dunno, I've been back and forth on this one, but I'm coming round to feeling confident of a relatively comfortable win, but I'm not expecting it to be pretty. I think our forwards will put in a shift, lots of phases of one-out runners trying to commit defenders. I can see that paying off in the 2nd half.

ionadnapokot

ionadnapokot wrote: »

i can see Ireland dominating possession again and scoring enough tries that there is a good chance of a BP win. Shaky defense and all.

Scenario 1:
Ireland 20 Scotland 13. 68 mins gone. Penalty to Ireland ().
3 tries v 2 tries. Sexton 1 from 4
Do you A) Kick to the corner Or Take the penalty kick at goal

Scenario 2:
Ireland 20 Scotland 13. 75 mins gone. Penalty to Ireland (On 15m line RHS, half way between 10m & 22).
3 tries v 2 tries. Murray on kicking.
Do you A) Kick to the corner Or Take the penalty kick at goal

Based on our leaky defence to date I chose
Would be interested to know how many would go for A) with possibility of winning the Championship with 4T BP win.

Take the kick in both scenarios. Win the game first. Still time for that last try. Sexton's kicking form doesn't come into account for me.

aloooof

aloooof wrote: »

Wayne Barnes can be particular at the breakdown which may help give Scotland the quick ball they'll be looking for.

I dunno, I've been back and forth on this one, but I'm coming round to feeling confident of a relatively comfortable win, but I'm not expecting it to be pretty. I think our forwards will put in a shift, lots of phases of one-out runners trying to commit defenders. I can see that paying off in the 2nd half.

Everyone is looking for quick ball, everyone. I think Nige let them away with murder against England so I think Barnes suits us more than them.

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Would be interested to know how many would go for A) with possibility of winning the Championship with 4T BP win.

Even with a BP win we won't just automatically win the championship, it would depend on the result of the France/England game which of course is after us.

stephen_n

George Mushy Saga wrote: »

They just beat England for the first time in a decade, those two guys you mention have no match fitness, so they shouldn't really have been brought in imo.

That would be fine in most years, but Fagerson in particular is well above the standard of Berghan. Richie Gray is the sort of player you’d expect to be brought straight back in, same way POC would have for us.

irishbucsfan

stephen_n wrote: »

Richie Gray is the sort of player you’d expect to be brought straight back in, same way POC would have for us.

You are vastly, vastly overrating Richie Gray I reckon.

I think I'd have Swinson starting over both him and Gilchrist myself.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Take the kick in both scenarios. Win the game first. Still time for that last try. Sexton's kicking form doesn't come into account for me.

What if all our tries were from line out mauls?

prawnsambo

Deleted User wrote: »

What if all our tries were from line out mauls?

Iirc last time around, Scotland put our lineout under serious pressure and scored a cheeky try from one. They also defended lineouts on their own line. Successfully.

stephen_n

irishbucsfan wrote: »

You are vastly, vastly overrating Richie Gray I reckon.

I think I'd have Swinson starting over both him and Gilchrist myself.

Maybe he has been made look better by those around him over the years, but he has always been instrumental in any good performances by the Scottish team.

irishbucsfan

stephen_n wrote: »

Maybe he has been made look better by those around him over the years, but he has always been instrumental in any good performances by the Scottish team.

I strongly disagree, he's been a passenger for Scotland many times. He did improve after heading to France, he's far less soft than he used to be. He used to be an absolute liability for conceding penalties with useless clearouts. He got his starting place back beside his Brother on the back of that improvement, but I still wouldn't have him near the Irish squad.

stephen_n

stephen_n wrote: »

Maybe he has been made look better by those around him over the years, but he has always been instrumental in any good performances by the Scottish team.

They've done alright without him recently, e.g. their recent Aus hammering, beating Aus down in Aus, the win against England.

He isn't in the same solar system as POC as a second row though.

sydthebeat

stephen_n wrote: »

That would be fine in most years, but Fagerson in particular is well above the standard of Berghan. Richie Gray is the sort of player you’d expect to be brought straight back in, same way POC would have for us.

richie gray.... the ultimate ruck inspector

stephen_n

Not a lot of love for Richie on here :pac:

stephen_n

stephen_n wrote: »

Not a lot of love for Richie on here :pac:

Nor from the Scottish coaches.

Jump_In_Jack

ionadnapokot wrote: »

i can see Ireland dominating possession again and scoring enough tries that there is a good chance of a BP win. Shaky defense and all.

Scenario 1:
Ireland 20 Scotland 13. 68 mins gone. Penalty to Ireland ().
3 tries v 2 tries. Sexton 1 from 4
Do you A) Kick to the corner Or Take the penalty kick at goal

Scenario 2:
Ireland 20 Scotland 13. 75 mins gone. Penalty to Ireland (On 15m line RHS, half way between 10m & 22).
3 tries v 2 tries. Murray on kicking.
Do you A) Kick to the corner Or Take the penalty kick at goal

Based on our leaky defence to date I chose
Would be interested to know how many would go for A) with possibility of winning the Championship with 4T BP win.

If Ireland are 20, isn't that 2 from 4, as in 3 tries = 3 conversion kicks, plus 1 penalty.
To get 3 tries puts 15 points on the board, so the other 5 must be from a conversion and a penalty.

bilston

Former Former wrote: »

Maybe it's my green-tinted specs and my comparatively low knowledge of Scottish rugby, but I just don't think that Scottish team should be too much for us to handle.

If we keep it relatively tight, no aimless kicks back to them in space, try not to get caught narrow in defence (again), I think we can win this.

Ireland to win without a bonus point I'd say.

I agree, for me we are a good bit stronger in the tight 5, the back row is close, we are better at half back (although Russell has the ability to hurt us), the centres are even enough, the back three is fairly even too. Bit we are better where it counts and elsewhere it's even at best for the Scots.

Henry Ford III

If Rob Kearney gets picked I'll seriously consider buying a kilt.

Henry Ford III

Henry Ford III wrote: »

If Rob Kearney gets picked I'll seriously consider buying a kilt.

If one player dictates your support, just buy the kilt now

ionadnapóca

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

If Ireland are 20, isn't that 2 from 4, as in 3 tries = 3 conversion kicks, plus 1 penalty.
To get 3 tries puts 15 points on the board, so the other 5 must be from a conversion and a penalty.

Murray took the pen when Sexton was down!

.ak

Henry Ford III wrote: »

If Rob Kearney gets picked I'll seriously consider buying a kilt.

Thats fairly fickle... As in it’s a pity you can’t support your national team because a coach thinks a player is better than you think they are...

Bridge93

Henry Ford III wrote: »

If Rob Kearney gets picked I'll seriously consider buying a kilt.

https://kiltsociety.com/

I think the Mackenzie tartan pattern is particularly dashing. But that's just my opinion, you pick whatever style you like. Unfortunately its unlikely they'll be able to deliver by Saturday

arsebiscuits1

awec wrote: »

The Kearney discussion is beyond boring now. This place has been a nightmare recently, the Kearney talk stops now. That includes the little jokes and the sarcasm. Any more provincial bollocks, no matter how subtle, will be carded.

:pac:

Apologies if this is considered "backseat modding" I just found it quite apt. Feel free to delete/ remove as appropriate

The Black Stags

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

awec wrote: »

The Kearney discussion is beyond boring now. This place has been a nightmare recently, the Kearney talk stops now. That includes the little jokes and the sarcasm. Any more provincial bollocks, no matter how subtle, will be carded.

:pac:

Apologies if this is considered "backseat modding" I just found it quite apt. Feel free to delete/ remove as appropriate

Agreed since the post seems designed to get a rise out of people.

Rumour mill saying sexton and Earls are out

Zzippy

Deleted User wrote: »

Rumour mill saying sexton and Earls are out